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Author Topic: Are Present-Day Myths Offensive?  (Read 3430 times)

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Are Present-Day Myths Offensive?
« on: January 16, 2014, 03:23:01 am »
I had a dream the other night with Loki in it, and I was thinking of turning it into a story.  I can see some people having a problem with the events, so it's not something I'd share. I was just wondering if people found others myths/stories or UPG offensive.

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Re: Are Present-Day Myths Offensive?
« Reply #1 on: January 16, 2014, 03:42:20 am »
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I had a dream the other night with Loki in it, and I was thinking of turning it into a story.  I can see some people having a problem with the events, so it's not something I'd share. I was just wondering if people found others myths/stories or UPG offensive.

 
Write it and fuck the haters. ;)

But seriously? Yes, there will almost certainly be people who find your UPG offensive. Especially if you're writing about Loki, there will be people all but lining up to have an opinion on the subject. The question you have to ask yourself is:

Do you care?

Or more than that, since you've asked and so presumably you do care: Why do you care? Because thanks to the magic of the internet, it's all but impossible for you to say anything that might not offend someone. Are you just trying to be polite? Are you worried that your UPG might be wrong?

Once you know what reaction you're afraid of, you can decide how likely it is and whether or not it's worth taking into account.
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Re: Are Present-Day Myths Offensive?
« Reply #2 on: January 16, 2014, 04:44:48 am »
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Write it and fuck the haters. ;)

 
Thank you for your response.  I don't really consider it UPG, just part dream and part story.  I feel bad upsetting people if it can be prevented, but I'm working on caring less.  Supposedly I have a really good "fuck-off" face when I use it, but I don't bring it out that often.  I don't really care whether anyone likes/or agrees with my thoughts, but I'm such an emotional person myself that I don't like prompting negative emotions in others.   Although, I realize I have no power over it, I equate their emotional pain with my own might be in their place.  Too much empathy, too little cussing.:ange:

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Re: Are Present-Day Myths Offensive?
« Reply #3 on: January 16, 2014, 04:52:49 am »
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Thank you for your response.  I don't really consider it UPG, just part dream and part story.  I feel bad upsetting people if it can be prevented, but I'm working on caring less.  Supposedly I have a really good "fuck-off" face when I use it, but I don't bring it out that often.  I don't really care whether anyone likes/or agrees with my thoughts, but I'm such an emotional person myself that I don't like prompting negative emotions in others.   Although, I realize I have no power over it, I equate their emotional pain with my own might be in their place.  Too much empathy, too little cussing.:ange:


All myths and legends at some point were a story in someone's head, even when partially based in fact.

Write your stories. Yes, there will be people who hate them and people who say "you got it wrong!" but as was stated before me, f*** 'em.

For every person who gets a bee in his bonnet about you not presenting the "facts" right, there'll be 2 more lined up appreciating your showing a different perspective.

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Re: Are Present-Day Myths Offensive?
« Reply #4 on: January 16, 2014, 06:52:41 am »
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I had a dream the other night with Loki in it, and I was thinking of turning it into a story.  I can see some people having a problem with the events, so it's not something I'd share. I was just wondering if people found others myths/stories or UPG offensive.

 
Things to think about: What do you gain by writing the story?  Will it help you to clarifity your thoughts, or beliefs?  Remember Loki has been called a testing God, is this story a way for him to test you and others?  Will the story help one other person, make them laugh, or release sorrow?  

Write the story let Loki deal with those offended (they can always stop reading the story).
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Re: Are Present-Day Myths Offensive?
« Reply #5 on: January 16, 2014, 08:00:52 am »
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I was just wondering if people found others myths/stories or UPG offensive.

For me, it depends on a couple of things:

1) Does it add to the lore of the deity or does it replace lore of the deity? The latter is more likely to give me pause (especially if it changes core lore) than the former. For example, a new story of Zeus seducing a mortal woman is less likely to make me roll my eyes and complain than a a new story that shows Zeus was always sexually loyal to Hera.

2) How is it presented? Is it presented as UPG or is it presented as "fact" that others are expected to accept?
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Re: Are Present-Day Myths Offensive?
« Reply #6 on: January 16, 2014, 11:31:53 am »
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2) How is it presented? Is it presented as UPG or is it presented as "fact" that others are expected to accept?

 
I think this is a good point.  If it is presented as a personal belief/UPG, then I don't get offended even if I disagree.  I find it rather good hearing and being open to different ideas and beliefs.  What offends me is when someone preaches their beliefs as THE WAY, and if I disagree or follow another path then I am obviously wrong and/or a horrible person.

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Re: Are Present-Day Myths Offensive?
« Reply #7 on: January 16, 2014, 12:05:32 pm »
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I had a dream the other night with Loki in it, and I was thinking of turning it into a story.  I can see some people having a problem with the events, so it's not something I'd share. I was just wondering if people found others myths/stories or UPG offensive.

 
I actually think one of the functions of myth is to be retold and reworked, we pull out from them the things that are important to us in the time we live in
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Are Present-Day Myths Offensive?
« Reply #8 on: January 16, 2014, 12:10:55 pm »
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Although, I realize I have no power over it, I equate their emotional pain with my own might be in their place.  Too much empathy, too little cussing.:ange:

That reaction is something I struggle with too. I'm better than I used to be at acknowledging that my feelings are as valid and real but it's an ongoing struggle.

I guess we'll see what happens if I ever finish my retelling of the þrymskviða set in a drag club, huh? XD
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Re: Are Present-Day Myths Offensive?
« Reply #9 on: January 24, 2014, 08:09:30 pm »
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That reaction is something I struggle with too. I'm better than I used to be at acknowledging that my feelings are as valid and real but it's an ongoing struggle.

I guess we'll see what happens if I ever finish my retelling of the þrymskviða set in a drag club, huh? XD

 
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On topic: I don't really think I would be offended by a present day myth, depending on how it was presented, as others say. Don't change the core lore or personality of the god in question, and don't yell at me that I have to believe it, and I'm all good with whatever anyone wants to write.

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Re: Are Present-Day Myths Offensive?
« Reply #10 on: January 24, 2014, 10:55:11 pm »
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I actually think one of the functions of myth is to be retold and reworked, we pull out from them the things that are important to us in the time we live in


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Re: Are Present-Day Myths Offensive?
« Reply #11 on: January 24, 2014, 11:09:15 pm »
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It's loosely inspired by The Best Image Ever.
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« Reply #12 on: January 27, 2014, 11:34:03 am »
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It's loosely inspired by The Best Image Ever.

 
My friend wanted to get a tattoo of something very similar, since that's one of his favorite myths. I offered to draw Thor in a ridiculous princess wedding dress for him. Now I'm not sure if that image is better (inspiration, not a direct copy of course) or not. Because that picture is AMAZING.

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Re: Are Present-Day Myths Offensive?
« Reply #13 on: January 27, 2014, 01:27:02 pm »
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My friend wanted to get a tattoo of something very similar, since that's one of his favorite myths. I offered to draw Thor in a ridiculous princess wedding dress for him. Now I'm not sure if that image is better (inspiration, not a direct copy of course) or not. Because that picture is AMAZING.

 
I've actually got a whole Pinterest board of pictures of Thor in dresses.

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