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Author Topic: Why do some Wiccans and witches look down on Kitchen Witches?  (Read 7097 times)

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I don't mean to ask another dumb question, but I've been hearing that some Wiccans and witches look down on Kitchen Witches. Can you explain why because the net has let me down. The only thing that I've gotten is that Kitchen Witchery is low magic, but that's it. Help would be great.

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Re: Why do some Wiccans and witches look down on Kitchen Witches?
« Reply #1 on: May 01, 2013, 02:46:31 pm »
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I don't mean to ask another dumb question, but I've been hearing that some Wiccans and witches look down on Kitchen Witches. Can you explain why because the net has let me down. The only thing that I've gotten is that Kitchen Witchery is low magic, but that's it. Help would be great.

 
Where exactly are you reading this? Who are these people that you respect them enough to believe their statements are anything but rude, elitist, and quite frankly none of their damn business?

A lot of "hate" against "low magic" is often tied up in the fact that it doesn't have as large, as illustrious, or as extravagant a history as "higher" forms of magic have had; kitchen witchery is about making sure your family is fed, your house is safe, your loved ones keep living. It's not about summoning angels and demons, or deliberately moving the forces of the world just because they can. I mean, this is my two cents, but a lot of it is tied up as well in sexism, classism, and racism to boot.
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Re: Why do some Wiccans and witches look down on Kitchen Witches?
« Reply #2 on: May 01, 2013, 02:50:54 pm »
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Where exactly are you reading this? Who are these people that you respect them enough to believe their statements are anything but rude, elitist, and quite frankly none of their damn business?

A lot of "hate" against "low magic" is often tied up in the fact that it doesn't have as large, as illustrious, or as extravagant a history as "higher" forms of magic have had; kitchen witchery is about making sure your family is fed, your house is safe, your loved ones keep living. It's not about summoning angels and demons, or deliberately moving the forces of the world just because they can. I mean, this is my two cents, but a lot of it is tied up as well in sexism, classism, and racism to boot.

 
It was on a blog that was run by a Kitchen witch. What do you mean that a lot of it is tied up to sexism, classism, and racism?

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Re: Why do some Wiccans and witches look down on Kitchen Witches?
« Reply #3 on: May 01, 2013, 02:53:49 pm »
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I don't mean to ask another dumb question, but I've been hearing that some Wiccans and witches look down on Kitchen Witches. Can you explain why because the net has let me down. The only thing that I've gotten is that Kitchen Witchery is low magic, but that's it. Help would be great.

There are no dumb questions.  Could you provide your source for this, or did you hear it by word of mouth?

There are always people who look down on other people for doing things differently.
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Re: Why do some Wiccans and witches look down on Kitchen Witches?
« Reply #4 on: May 01, 2013, 03:01:46 pm »
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I don't mean to ask another dumb question, but I've been hearing that some Wiccans and witches look down on Kitchen Witches. Can you explain why because the net has let me down. The only thing that I've gotten is that Kitchen Witchery is low magic, but that's it. Help would be great.

 
For the same reason Kim Kardashian is constantly fat-shamed for her pregnant body.

People who are insecure about their own beliefs/lifestyles/looks need a punching bag to sneer at.

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« Reply #5 on: May 01, 2013, 03:13:43 pm »
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It was on a blog that was run by a Kitchen witch. What do you mean that a lot of it is tied up to sexism, classism, and racism?

 
It's talked about a bit in this thread, more on the "high magic"/ceremonial side of things in regards to "Privileged Mages": Moore evidence on the death of occultism

Catja talks a bit about the history of Western occultism/ceremonialism and how it was restricted in a lot of ways to the privileged elite due to having access to more education, especially literacy. (You can also see Darkhawk's response to Catja which highlights the still existing attitude that women can't be as good at "high magic" as men because of this historical attitude still prevalent in magical traditions today.)

Here's another mention from Catja in the same thread, talking about much the same thing.

Okay last one I promise: Catja talks here about the history behind hoodoo, and how embeded some "low magic" traditions are in being the magical systems of the non-elite and often oppressed people, as is the case with hoodoo.

There's probably more about this on the old forum (which you can still access and search!) that could yield more info for you; I just did a quick search on the forum here. :)
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Re: Why do some Wiccans and witches look down on Kitchen Witches?
« Reply #6 on: May 01, 2013, 09:32:58 pm »
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There are no dumb questions.  Could you provide your source for this, or did you hear it by word of mouth?

There are always people who look down on other people for doing things differently.

 
I made a mistake, a site mentioned it. I will provide link to said site.

http://www.squidoo.com/kitchenwitch

I agree with what you said about people looking down on others that do things differently. I explained to my mother what a kitchen witch is and she thought it was cool that there were people out there that made their own stuff and was all about free range birds, no hormones in our food, things like that. I don't know if all Kitchen Witches believe in buying meat from free range farms, or no hormones in our food, and things like that.

She told me that I could practice as long as I don't have a statue of a pagan goddess. So I'm getting a plastic cat, since I can't have a kitty. It fits my personality.

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Re: Why do some Wiccans and witches look down on Kitchen Witches?
« Reply #7 on: May 01, 2013, 09:48:50 pm »
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I made a mistake, a site mentioned it. I will provide link to said site.

http://www.squidoo.com/kitchenwitch

A Squidoo site is really just one person's opinion. I'd check what other kitchen witches have to say before I assumed any one individual's view on something like this is fairly universal.
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A Squidoo site is really just one person's opinion. I'd check what other kitchen witches have to say before I assumed any one individual's view on something like this is fairly universal.

 
Thanks, I'll do that.

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Re: Why do some Wiccans and witches look down on Kitchen Witches?
« Reply #9 on: May 02, 2013, 09:06:19 am »
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I don't mean to ask another dumb question, but I've been hearing that some Wiccans and witches look down on Kitchen Witches. Can you explain why because the net has let me down. The only thing that I've gotten is that Kitchen Witchery is low magic, but that's it. Help would be great.

I'll check the links, but it's news to me. As a Wiccan that does cermonial&folk magic(k), witchcraft is just witchcraft. Solely Wiccans can do "low" kitchen-witchery, and Kitchen Witches can also do "high" magick if they wanted as well. It's all about preference really.

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She told me that I could practice as long as I don't have a statue of a pagan goddess.

 
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« Reply #11 on: May 02, 2013, 11:09:52 am »
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I don't mean to ask another dumb question, but I've been hearing that some Wiccans and witches look down on Kitchen Witches. Can you explain why because the net has let me down. The only thing that I've gotten is that Kitchen Witchery is low magic, but that's it. Help would be great.


I don't mean to be rude by interjecting myself into the conversation; but what's a kitchen witch?

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I don't mean to be rude by interjecting myself into the conversation; but what's a kitchen witch?

 
Someone whose witchcraft is oriented around matters of home and household, often including stuff like herbal remedies, spellwork through the medium of cooking, basic protections, and the like.
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I'll check the links, but it's news to me. As a Wiccan that does cermonial&folk magic(k), witchcraft is just witchcraft. Solely Wiccans can do "low" kitchen-witchery, and Kitchen Witches can also do "high" magick if they wanted as well. It's all about preference really.

 
I get what your talking about. I was just shocked to see that post and I had no idea that this might be happening. According to that person's post on the site. I personally think the whole thing, if this is happening, is really stupid. We all need to let others do their own thing no matter if that person doesn't like it.

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Someone whose witchcraft is oriented around matters of home and household, often including stuff like herbal remedies, spellwork through the medium of cooking, basic protections, and the like.


As opposed to someone who tries to summon the elder gods? I understand that there are people who are drawn to magic but if this is the definition of low magic then high magic must be very dangerous.

I mean can you imagine what would happen if we divided prayer into low and high who's prayers are higher then others and why would such a thing even come about. Magic is magic isn't it?

Magic is something that you should live with to my understanding it is a life long commitment so if your having issues at home then of course you would turn to magic. I don't think there is a need for a distinction. But that's just my 2 cents.

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