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The Glamoury of Love Spells
« on: October 04, 2011, 11:52:04 pm »
As happens with me quite frequently, I find that some old lesson has been triggered from the depths of my mind by something I read on the web. Tonight that trigger just happens to be centered on love spells.

Buy nearly any pagan book today and there is almost without a doubt a section that talks of love spells. Not only talks of them but some pretending to actually teach the novice how to cast one and bring the love of their lives to them. If not bring it to them then how to save an existing relationship or reignite a love grown cold.

Yet of all the lessons that float around in the corridors of my mind none seem to trigger faster than that of the supposed love spell. No spell more mis-stated than that of attracting or bringing love to oneself.

In the movie Aladdin there is a scene where Genie tells Aladdin there are three provisions to his magic. The facet I wish to address is that "He cannot make someone love you!"

In my youth this little Old Italian Lady taught me that Love Spells are nothing but glamouries. Well glamouries and the foundations to be used for the most critically weaved curses and hexes. The easiest spell or intent to weave and the most dangerous to the caster in practice and application. Danger derived mostly from stupidity on the casters part and an assumption of what a love spell is or can do.

It was through her instruction that I came to understand that a love spell does nothing in regards to bringing love to the caster. In essence all it really does it cause a glamour to appear over the eyes of the person who the love spell is directed at. To cause them to see the caster in the reflection of their deepest sense of love and connection. But the critical facet always being it is not the caster that is seen in the eyes of the enchanted person but the reflection of their own sense of love and emotion. In essence those under the spell do not even see the real person beneath the glamour.

Yet there in also lies the curse / hex facet of the love spell. It will end, usually do to the enchanted person's view of love and emotion changing over time though the glamour remains stagnate and unchanging. The other facet is that even though beneath a glamour, the person will still sense and see fragments or cracks in the glamour that filter into the sub-conscious. Perhaps not right off, but with time the glamour will come crashing down upon the caster and before the one enchanted. Sort of the notion that an illusion cannot stand before the cold reality of the truth.

Many times with diasterious results happening to both the spell caster and the recipient of the spell. At times without and out violence resulting as the target of the glamour begins to fight and resist the spell. Frequently coming to associate and direct their anger towards the person who was the subject beneath the glamour. Anger frequently fueled because of the sense of deceit and manipulation they were submitted to. Even from the sense of being treated as less than human at best and exploited for some sense of amusement at worse.

Yet still the many books speak of casting the love spell to bring true love to them. Many sites still hold their BOS's with their included love spells for the novice to utilize and bring "Love" to them. Yet never speaking of the danger that such a foolish usage of magic can unleash.

Yet perhaps I once again am out of step with the world in my beliefs and the way I was trained to look at things.

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Re: The Glamoury of Love Spells
« Reply #1 on: October 05, 2011, 12:17:09 am »
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As happens with me quite frequently, I find that some old lesson has been triggered from the depths of my mind by something I read on the web. Tonight that trigger just happens to be centered on love spells.

Buy nearly any pagan book today and there is almost without a doubt a section that talks of love spells. Not only talks of them but some pretending to actually teach the novice how to cast one and bring the love of their lives to them. If not bring it to them then how to save an existing relationship or reignite a love grown cold.

Yet of all the lessons that float around in the corridors of my mind none seem to trigger faster than that of the supposed love spell. No spell more mis-stated than that of attracting or bringing love to oneself.

In the movie Aladdin there is a scene where Genie tells Aladdin there are three provisions to his magic. The facet I wish to address is that "He cannot make someone love you!"

In my youth this little Old Italian Lady taught me that Love Spells are nothing but glamouries. Well glamouries and the foundations to be used for the most critically weaved curses and hexes. The easiest spell or intent to weave and the most dangerous to the caster in practice and application. Danger derived mostly from stupidity on the casters part and an assumption of what a love spell is or can do.

It was through her instruction that I came to understand that a love spell does nothing in regards to bringing love to the caster. In essence all it really does it cause a glamour to appear over the eyes of the person who the love spell is directed at. To cause them to see the caster in the reflection of their deepest sense of love and connection. But the critical facet always being it is not the caster that is seen in the eyes of the enchanted person but the reflection of their own sense of love and emotion. In essence those under the spell do not even see the real person beneath the glamour.

Yet there in also lies the curse / hex facet of the love spell. It will end, usually do to the enchanted person's view of love and emotion changing over time though the glamour remains stagnate and unchanging. The other facet is that even though beneath a glamour, the person will still sense and see fragments or cracks in the glamour that filter into the sub-conscious. Perhaps not right off, but with time the glamour will come crashing down upon the caster and before the one enchanted. Sort of the notion that an illusion cannot stand before the cold reality of the truth.

Many times with diasterious results happening to both the spell caster and the recipient of the spell. At times without and out violence resulting as the target of the glamour begins to fight and resist the spell. Frequently coming to associate and direct their anger towards the person who was the subject beneath the glamour. Anger frequently fueled because of the sense of deceit and manipulation they were submitted to. Even from the sense of being treated as less than human at best and exploited for some sense of amusement at worse.

Yet still the many books speak of casting the love spell to bring true love to them. Many sites still hold their BOS's with their included love spells for the novice to utilize and bring "Love" to them. Yet never speaking of the danger that such a foolish usage of magic can unleash.

Yet perhaps I once again am out of step with the world in my beliefs and the way I was trained to look at things.

 
So in your opinion even doing something in hopes of meeting a kindred spirit of the opposite (or same depending on your orientation!) gender can end up disastrous, or just when the user of the magic is bringing on a strong love right off the bat?

I'm really new to all this so my apologies if I have this incorrectly.

Just by the sound of a love spell, it sounds like dangerous territory. People have their own wills and energies about them, so if someone directed a love spell at someone they knew...if they person ended up seeing the user in more attracted light but no reality behind it..the relationship seems like it would just fizzle after a short time and hurt both people involved.If it ever began in the first place. I'd like to think some people are strong enough to push back any spells directed at them if they choose to, even if they don't realize they've been a target.

This opinion is just what I've come to the conclusion to after reading various books and will likely evolve or change completely. So please feel free to poke holes in what I've said =)

Then there's the idea of the user. Some people, perhaps lonely souls, would do so and end up getting their feelings hurt. They'd start noticing things that didn't really exist in the first place,and end up getting hurt out of the process. When we first develop a crush on someone, our hormones make us kind of silly sometimes. We don't always act in the best way, or see things correctly.

However, if the intent of the spell is to meet a similar person and then see if anything develops naturally after, it seems like a safer bet to me.

The way I currently see spellwork is the goal would be to bring up an opportunity. It is then my duty to actively work to the opportunity and my goals. If I do a prosperity spell and a really nice company contacted me for an interview, it still means I have to nail the interview and then perform well on the job. If I do a spell to ward off stress from my husband, he'd have to notice for himself the happier side to things once it presents itself. If I send negativity to someone I dislike (which I never intend of doing), it's their choice to give into stress/sadness/anger from whatever bad things end up happening in their life as a result. A curse upon someone might even make him/her a better person if they handle the misfortunes correctly.

Or I could just be completely confused about all this and have it all wrong. Sorry for the rambling! lol

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Re: The Glamoury of Love Spells
« Reply #2 on: October 05, 2011, 12:55:06 am »
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So in your opinion even doing something in hopes of meeting a kindred spirit of the opposite (or same depending on your orientation!) gender can end up disastrous, or just when the user of the magic is bringing on a strong love right off the bat?


There your actually doing something different.

I was taught that to call love to you is not the same as casting a love spell.  One is directed at the universe and basically ask's it to move or point something in your direction that might fulfill that desire.  The other it the direct placement of a spell upon a specific target.  Not to say it might not end up painful in the end in that regard chance plays a role.

The other difference is that "Love" as a concept is pretty broad in scope.  You ask for something or someone to love you and a dog comes to your home.  The dog loves you unconditionally and brings that sense of "Love" that you desired.  So the spell in that sense is effective and performed as directed.

Even the scope of a new friend who comes in has the potential to become that love interest.  Perhaps starting out as a friendship that blossoms and grows, perhaps something more hormonal that lasts for the night then gone with the rising sun.  Yet again each equally correct as a form of "Love"

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I'm really new to all this so my apologies if I have this incorrectly.


From my perspective no need to apologize.  I mean heck, who trullly is to say I have it right, other than to my individual perspective.

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Just by the sound of a love spell, it sounds like dangerous territory. People have their own wills and energies about them, so if someone directed a love spell at someone they knew...if they person ended up seeing the user in more attracted light but no reality behind it..the relationship seems like it would just fizzle after a short time and hurt both people involved.If it ever began in the first place. I'd like to think some people are strong enough to push back any spells directed at them if they choose to, even if they don't realize they've been a target.


My own opinion is that when the "Love" spell is spun you (collective) as the caster is really not worrying about them seeing you as you are.  For that matter the odds are that you are not seeing them as them either but as something you think they are or desire them to be.

The thing I believe is that many times an unfolding spell is like the weather.  You may or may not feel it taking affect / effect around you.  Yet it will finally advance to the point where it becomes noticable but that doesn't mean you will notice it.  Many times with severe weather patterns a near miss is as good as a direct hit when it comes to causing destruction.

For me it is dangerious in the sense that many times it knee jerk and highly unorganized in focus.  To some degree's its almost stalking in how you have to approach and follow the target of your intent.

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However, if the intent of the spell is to meet a similar person and then see if anything develops naturally after, it seems like a safer bet to me.


That I would agree with.  Yet I would not see it as a "Love" spell being spun in such a situation but a call to the universe, Spirit, ones gods / goddesses, etc to bring the conditions for such to happen and be ripe to it occuring.

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The way I currently see spellwork is the goal would be to bring up an opportunity.


In most instances I would agree.  Yet when it comes to love spells most times they are not about an opportunity but about manipulating a specific person to "See" you.  Ironically it seem's many times to see you as you see yourself not as they might see you and be attracted to it.

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Re: The Glamoury of Love Spells
« Reply #3 on: October 05, 2011, 12:56:35 am »
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Many times with diasterious results happening to both the spell caster and the recipient of the spell. At times without and out violence resulting as the target of the glamour begins to fight and resist the spell. Frequently coming to associate and direct their anger towards the person who was the subject beneath the glamour. Anger frequently fueled because of the sense of deceit and manipulation they were submitted to. Even from the sense of being treated as less than human at best and exploited for some sense of amusement at worse.

Yet still the many books speak of casting the love spell to bring true love to them. Many sites still hold their BOS's with their included love spells for the novice to utilize and bring "Love" to them. Yet never speaking of the danger that such a foolish usage of magic can unleash.

Yet perhaps I once again am out of step with the world in my beliefs and the way I was trained to look at things.

No.  I think you bring a good point.  I had the same trigger happen to me on this subject, I chose to leave it alone because I couldn't quite find the right words to echo my thoughts.

I think with many authors the subject of love spells, or curses for that matter, are included because that's what sells books.  

With spell work though, I think a spell to cause a person to fall in love with another person is fundamentally inappropriate.  The goal with such a spell is to bend someone's will to feel a certain way.  This robs a person of making their own choices.  I have heard more than one story of a love spell seeming to work but then backfiring badly eventually.  

A person that wants to do this kind of work should think: how would I feel if someone did this to me?  Would you be okay with it?  Personally, my answer would be no, because I despise being manipulated and that would damage any trust I had in the other person.  To put it another way, it's kind of like cheating at a game: you might win technically, but when it's all said and done, would you consider that win legitimate?  No. It would be based on a lie.

Now, casting a love spell to bring a person more love, IMO is just fine.  The problem is when someone gets the idea that they MUST have X person love me.  What if we are meant for a person who will ultimately treat us better in the end?  What life lessons do we miss out on by trying to cheat at making a relationship work?  

Love spells I think are very seductive in that the promise of the power to give us something everyone wants without having to do the hard work and to avoid the potential heartbreak is easy to give in to. But nevertheless, it is manipulative and messes with our own personal choice.  If I found out someone was abusing me in such a manner, I would get very angry and it would likely doom the relationship.  Forcing a relationship to form or continue when it's meant to end is not a good idea.  

In short: don't screw with someone's personal freedoms, who we have a mutual romantic relationship with is a core freedom everyone should have.  This goes beyond just magick.  For example: a person who say uses a pregnancy to get the other to commit by manipulating their sense of honor might work in the short term, but eventually it might blow up in nuclear bomb type fashion.
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Re: The Glamoury of Love Spells
« Reply #4 on: October 05, 2011, 08:19:04 am »
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Yet still the many books speak of casting the love spell to bring true love to them. Many sites still hold their BOS's with their included love spells for the novice to utilize and bring "Love" to them. Yet never speaking of the danger that such a foolish usage of magic can unleash.

I see many types of love spells on the net. Love spell cannot create love where none exists -- at least not without a lot more skill and power than the average person is likely to have. While I'm not sure that I agree completely with what you've said, I do think that love spells designed to make a specific person who does not love you fall in love you at best are only going to be able to create an illusion of love. The spell isn't likely to cause the target of the spell to really fall in love with the caster, but merely to act as if he/she were when under the effects of the spell.
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Re: The Glamoury of Love Spells
« Reply #5 on: October 08, 2011, 12:55:27 pm »
There are two kinds of love spells:
spells to make someone specific fall in love with you and spells to bring someone who is compatible into your sphere.

The first is the kind you seem to be talking about. Those are basically dominating spells, the same thing you'd use to force anybody to do anything for you.

Like any dominating spell, it doesn't make the person 'really' feel what they are doing is right. Making someone act like they love you isn't the same as having a person actually love you.

Most dominating spells are short term, used to force a single action. A dominating love spell has to act long-term. That means that if the caster realizes that it was a bad idea, it's very difficult to remove.

It's a bad situation all around.

The second kind of love spell isn't prone to going wrong, because it doesn't target someone specific- in other words, you aren't the one deciding who it's good for you to be with. A spell like this can attract someone within perimeters you set, but can't target a particular person.  These kind of things can be set to run until you find someone you like, meaning it can attract multiple potential partners.

Those second kind of spells aren't dominating, or even suggesting, they are just generating a coincidence you can take advantage of.  The spell extends only to the meeting, being short term it doesn't have to be removed or altered if things don't work out.











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As happens with me quite frequently, I find that some old lesson has been triggered from the depths of my mind by something I read on the web. Tonight that trigger just happens to be centered on love spells.

Buy nearly any pagan book today and there is almost without a doubt a section that talks of love spells. Not only talks of them but some pretending to actually teach the novice how to cast one and bring the love of their lives to them. If not bring it to them then how to save an existing relationship or reignite a love grown cold.

Yet of all the lessons that float around in the corridors of my mind none seem to trigger faster than that of the supposed love spell. No spell more mis-stated than that of attracting or bringing love to oneself.

In the movie Aladdin there is a scene where Genie tells Aladdin there are three provisions to his magic. The facet I wish to address is that "He cannot make someone love you!"

In my youth this little Old Italian Lady taught me that Love Spells are nothing but glamouries. Well glamouries and the foundations to be used for the most critically weaved curses and hexes. The easiest spell or intent to weave and the most dangerous to the caster in practice and application. Danger derived mostly from stupidity on the casters part and an assumption of what a love spell is or can do.

It was through her instruction that I came to understand that a love spell does nothing in regards to bringing love to the caster. In essence all it really does it cause a glamour to appear over the eyes of the person who the love spell is directed at. To cause them to see the caster in the reflection of their deepest sense of love and connection. But the critical facet always being it is not the caster that is seen in the eyes of the enchanted person but the reflection of their own sense of love and emotion. In essence those under the spell do not even see the real person beneath the glamour.

Yet there in also lies the curse / hex facet of the love spell. It will end, usually do to the enchanted person's view of love and emotion changing over time though the glamour remains stagnate and unchanging. The other facet is that even though beneath a glamour, the person will still sense and see fragments or cracks in the glamour that filter into the sub-conscious. Perhaps not right off, but with time the glamour will come crashing down upon the caster and before the one enchanted. Sort of the notion that an illusion cannot stand before the cold reality of the truth.

Many times with diasterious results happening to both the spell caster and the recipient of the spell. At times without and out violence resulting as the target of the glamour begins to fight and resist the spell. Frequently coming to associate and direct their anger towards the person who was the subject beneath the glamour. Anger frequently fueled because of the sense of deceit and manipulation they were submitted to. Even from the sense of being treated as less than human at best and exploited for some sense of amusement at worse.

Yet still the many books speak of casting the love spell to bring true love to them. Many sites still hold their BOS's with their included love spells for the novice to utilize and bring "Love" to them. Yet never speaking of the danger that such a foolish usage of magic can unleash.

Yet perhaps I once again am out of step with the world in my beliefs and the way I was trained to look at things.

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