Protection Spell

[Viv]

Why be the bitch of someone else when you can simply create a style that works for you???

 
Could you clarify what you mean by that statement? How does doing a magical working for someone else, or having them do one for you, make you someone's bitch?

[Sarah]

I didn't say you had to care. There are no authorities in this culture we are involved in, but to say who cares kinds of boggles me. Why be the bitch of someone else when you can simply create a style that works for you???

 
Did you build your house? Make your clothes? Grow your food? If not how is someone else doing magic for you any different? And if I were to have someone else do magic for me it wouldn't make me "their bitch"

[Orion]

Could you clarify what you mean by that statement? How does doing a magical working for someone else, or having them do one for you, make you someone's bitch?

 
Because it is not something you designed yourself. I don't understand what is so confusing about these simple concepts? I thought I would find knowledgeable people at this forum.

[Orion]

Did you build your house? Make your clothes? Grow your food? If not how is someone else doing magic for you any different? And if I were to have someone else do magic for me it wouldn't make me "their bitch"

 
Are we talking about building houses? No. Want to make clothes? Learn how to sow. Grow your own food? Grow a garden. These are straw man remarks. Are there a lot of wiccans at this site???

[Emma Eldritch]

I didn't say you had to care. There are no authorities in this culture we are involved in, but to say who cares kinds of boggles me. Why be the bitch of someone else when you can simply create a style that works for you???

 
Whoa. That seems to be a lot of your own baggage there, dude.

Some people aren't magic users, plain and simple. As I said before, I prefer the do-it-yourself approach - I can count the number of times I've asked for outside help on one hand. But I have friends who have zero interest in magic, but who then get into a situation where they feel a spell would help. They don't want to learn occult systems, they just want something done.

That doesn't make them a 'bitch' - it makes them realistic in their own needs. I could learn to dismantle a sink, but I'd rather call a plumber. Does that mean I'm a 'bitch' to the plumber? No, it means I'm calling a pro so I don't flood my apartment. I can acknowledge when I'm out of my depth in an emergency.

People have different paths in life, and different talents. We can't look down on them just because we've chosen the weird, frequently difficult path of magicians and witches. I've been doing this crap half my life now, and I've met plenty of people who aren't cut out for magic, just like I'm not cut out for plumbing. Magic is a skill like any other. Just, you know. Weirder.

(And no, I am not Wiccan.)

[Sarah]

Are we talking about building houses? No. Want to make clothes? Learn how to sow. Grow your own food? Grow a garden. These are straw man remarks. Are there a lot of wiccans at this site???

 
They are not straw man remarks unless you think magic is categorically different as a tool to other tools


I don't understand why the wiccan question is relevant?

[Darkhawk]

Are we talking about building houses? No. Want to make clothes? Learn how to sow. Grow your own food? Grow a garden. These are straw man remarks.

No.  They're the sorts of remarks you get from people who think that making special-case categories for individual subjects and pretending that they operate under different rules than everything else in reality is bullshit.

Are there a lot of wiccans at this site???

 
Not really.

[Viv]

Because it is not something you designed yourself. I don't understand what is so confusing about these simple concepts? I thought I would find knowledgeable people at this forum.

A little advice for you, this is a discussion and debate forum. Stating a personal opinion as if all of Pagandom accepts it as fact will always stand out and be questioned here. Its something TC takes pride in...weeding out the B.S.

[Jack]

The painting is not your own then. The magic in magic is simply doing it.

 
The paintings I bought and the paintings I painted are both mine. They belong to me, they hang on my wall, and if they were both stolen, the police would register that both had been mine and my insurance company would reimburse me for both. So... yes, the painting is mine, and the knife is mine, and the mojo bag is mine, and the annointed candle is mine. I performed the magic spell where I handed over ritually created paper charms for the energy of the spellworker, so it belongs to me now and is, therefore, mine.

[RandallS]

Because it is not something you designed yourself. I don't understand what is so confusing about these simple concepts? I thought I would find knowledgeable people at this forum.

Because these concepts are not nearly as standard as you seem to think. There are many different ways of doing magic and they can be exact opposites in some ways.  For example, many Wiccans today seem to believe it is best to create your own spells rather than use a spell from a book and they have seemingly valid magic theory to support their views. However, others consider it best to use proven, traditional spells for reasons that seem equally valid magic theory-wise. It's the same with doing magic yourself vs havng an expert do it for you. One can present seemingly valid magic theory to support both ways of doing things.