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Re: Raising the Devil and or demons for money (books and methods)
« Reply #15 on: June 10, 2012, 04:50:25 pm »
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Did I miss something?

 
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I sense grade 8 lurking around the corner....

'I wanna sell my soul to the devil for a ride in a car! woo!'
srsly?!

the amount of time effort training and skill it will take to become adept at summoning entities to do your bidding would more likely be better spent getting a job and saving the money to rent/buy/test drive these cars your lusting after. I don't think you realize that summoning entities is not the easy way to riches you think it is.
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Re: Raising the Devil and or demons for money (books and methods)
« Reply #16 on: June 10, 2012, 04:58:30 pm »
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I think that the one weakness of these evil beings is their true name. Unless you know that then you have no power over them. Humanity is seen as having free will, and it's subversion by a pact with an evil being is seen as a great feat by that being.

 
This is why I don't believe in evil beings. Annoying and potential dangerous manifestations of nature, yes. Demons with an Achilles heel that are obsessed with undermining my free will, not so much. :P

Then again, the first thing I dropped during my Christian deconversion was demons and Satan (as an evil baddie opposed to an all-powerful benevolent God).
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Re: Raising the Devil and or demons for money (books and methods)
« Reply #17 on: June 10, 2012, 04:59:45 pm »
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Millions of dollars (money) = Happiness. And that is impossible to dispute.

 
Bullshit. Not everyone thinks that. That's impossible to prove. AND nothing is impossible to dispute, especially on this board.
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Re: Raising the Devil and or demons for money (books and methods)
« Reply #18 on: June 10, 2012, 05:27:07 pm »
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That's impossible to prove. AND nothing is impossible to dispute, especially on this board.

 
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Re: Raising the Devil and or demons for money (books and methods)
« Reply #19 on: June 10, 2012, 05:44:54 pm »
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..I guess, I've never devoted enough time to research to fully understand how the christian magicians (satanism is a branch of christianity) system works. But to my understanding this is a pretty good explanation.


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I'd have to dispute that one to a degree.  True Satanism as defined by the church is inverse Christianity (requires an ordained priest to administer the black mass type thing).  Yet many forms of Satanism hold no connection to Christianity and have no recognization to the so called "Devil" figure.  

In some ways even the worship of the Egyptian god Set is viewed as Satanism though its properly Seitin (sp).

I think the Keys of Solomon is probably one of the best known of the Christian inspired magical systems that deal with demonic forces.  Yet it's not know as Satanism either.

What I'm not sure of it the OP speaking about Demonolgy and commanding the demonic host (if I recall correctly which may also be used against the Angelic host) or True Satanism which is a religious practice.

Though to be truthfuly part of what is being said by him reminds me of the lowest form of Satanism which at one time was titled Teen Satanism.  It was more about childish desires and used things like the Hand of Doom and other tricks.

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Re: Raising the Devil and or demons for money (books and methods)
« Reply #20 on: June 10, 2012, 05:47:19 pm »
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What if I had a talent for magick..would that make any difference? Not saying I do, but what if one was gifted at the arts? Would acquiring wealth this way be easier?

If you had enough talent for magick to impress a demon, you probably would not need to worry about summoning one to give you wealth.

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Re: Raising the Devil and or demons for money (books and methods)
« Reply #21 on: June 10, 2012, 05:59:14 pm »
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But, if you insist

http://www.sacred-texts.com/eso/sta/sta24.htm

Absent

 

OR you  could  just watch  every  episode of  "Supernatural"  that should learn you  quickly  how to summon Demons, particularly the ones that will give you  a  boat load  of  money for something as simple  as  death! ;)
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Re: Raising the Devil and or demons for money (books and methods)
« Reply #22 on: June 10, 2012, 06:03:19 pm »
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OR you  could  just watch  every  episode of  "Supernatural"  that should learn you  quickly  how to summon Demons, particularly the ones that will give you  a  boat load  of  money for something as simple  as  death! ;)

 
I don't know why any self-respecting spirit would accept death as a payment.  I mean, everyone and everything dies, no exceptions.  Promising to die is ridiculous.  It's like paying a shopkeep by promising to take your groceries with you when you go.  Except much sillier.

Still, I so very very call troll.
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Re: Raising the Devil and or demons for money (books and methods)
« Reply #23 on: June 10, 2012, 06:11:28 pm »
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I don't know why any self-respecting spirit would accept death as a payment.  I mean, everyone and everything dies, no exceptions.  Promising to die is ridiculous.  It's like paying a shopkeep by promising to take your groceries with you when you go.  Except much sillier.


This.
Screw the dying thing as payment, that's mandatory anyway.

If I was a demon of the supposed kind, I would grant the millons, then - after some time, just when he gets used to it - I'd take them away again and watch the guy suffer for the rest of his life, when he's living under some bridge, mourning the loss of his 'happiness'.

That would be most delicious, for a being that feeds of suffering, anger and madness.

Just sayin'. :whis:
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That’s what people never really understood.….Things had to balance.
You couldn’t set out to be a good witch or a bad witch. It never worked out for long.
All you could try to be was a witch, as hard as you could.\'
Terry Pratchett \'Lords and Ladies\'

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Re: Raising the Devil and or demons for money (books and methods)
« Reply #24 on: June 10, 2012, 06:55:43 pm »
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OR you  could  just watch  every  episode of  "Supernatural"  that should learn you  quickly  how to summon Demons, particularly the ones that will give you  a  boat load  of  money for something as simple  as  death! ;)

 
Favorite show. Ever.

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Re: Raising the Devil and or demons for money (books and methods)
« Reply #25 on: June 10, 2012, 07:17:32 pm »
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This.
Screw the dying thing as payment, that's mandatory anyway.

If I was a demon of the supposed kind, I would grant the millons, then - after some time, just when he gets used to it - I'd take them away again and watch the guy suffer for the rest of his life, when he's living under some bridge, mourning the loss of his 'happiness'.

That would be most delicious, for a being that feeds of suffering, anger and madness.

Just sayin'. :whis:

 
with repetition, even - "here, human, here's a caaaaarrot!"  Seriously, if that's how you got your kicks, endless fun.  Especially for a nice long but unhealthy life.

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Re: Raising the Devil and or demons for money (books and methods)
« Reply #26 on: June 10, 2012, 07:20:53 pm »
Quote from: Jubes;59448
OR you  could  just watch  every  episode of  "Supernatural"  that should learn you  quickly  how to summon Demons, particularly the ones that will give you  a  boat load  of  money for something as simple  as  death! ;)

 
Talking of death... erm Death and 'Supernatural'.
Best song/scene ever:

\'You had to repay, good or bad. There was more than one type of obligation.
That’s what people never really understood.….Things had to balance.
You couldn’t set out to be a good witch or a bad witch. It never worked out for long.
All you could try to be was a witch, as hard as you could.\'
Terry Pratchett \'Lords and Ladies\'

Confuzzled and proud. :p

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Re: Raising the Devil and or demons for money (books and methods)
« Reply #27 on: June 10, 2012, 07:21:15 pm »
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with repetition, even - "here, human, here's a caaaaarrot!"  Seriously, if that's how you got your kicks, endless fun.  Especially for a nice long but unhealthy life.


Oh yes.... I feel a short story brewing there...
\'You had to repay, good or bad. There was more than one type of obligation.
That’s what people never really understood.….Things had to balance.
You couldn’t set out to be a good witch or a bad witch. It never worked out for long.
All you could try to be was a witch, as hard as you could.\'
Terry Pratchett \'Lords and Ladies\'

Confuzzled and proud. :p

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Re: Raising the Devil and or demons for money (books and methods)
« Reply #28 on: June 10, 2012, 07:39:24 pm »
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I never really understood this part of the occult. What's the point of having infinitely evil, powerful beings in your theology if, through picking up a manual and (yes, through years and years of dedicated practice, whatever) can bend them to their will? How powerful can they be if anyone who's willing to put in the time and effort can squeeze them out of cash whenever they want?


Just my perspective but its only lessor demons and creature's that one actually forces to do anything.  The named Lords or Demons are usually bribed or things are exchanged for thier aid / assistance.  Only a true fool would try to bind or force them to do anything.  Even in stories and lore when a magician has tried to do such the creature so forced usually strikes back almost immediately.

That's one of the reason I was told Ceremonial / High magics are so stringent on practices and adhearing to procedures with an iron will.  Even the smallest screw up in laying out the summoning room , cirlce , etc can leave the practitioner open to immediate assualt.

One of the reasons I've discovered for so many so called ceremonial / high religious Tomes or Grimories being only part there in writing.  Especially the usage of companion journal and books so the whole thing is not in one place.

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Re: Raising the Devil and or demons for money (books and methods)
« Reply #29 on: June 10, 2012, 07:49:45 pm »
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What does a demon need money for? They already control the Earth, they much rather have control over us to do their bidding in greed and war. They thrive off corruption and the manipulation of man for evil, so throw me a few hundred million(or billions of) bucks and I will do whatever they want.


That perspective really applies more to Demonology (study of Demons) and Demonaltry (Worship of Demons) than any form of Satanism I am aware of.  While they may be componet facets of some aspects of Satanism its not a key or critical part of Levian or Crawley Satanism that I am aware.  Heck, its not part of Satanic Witchcraft though when Crawley and later his daughter set that up I believe there were some facets of Demonaltry contained within it.

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