Peter Carroll's Liber Null

[Smokebender]

Has anyone read it? Comments on it? I'm reading it now,, slowly. It's a lot to digest at once. I'm finding  the writings rather helpful with my style.

[stitchinwith]

Has anyone read it? Comments on it? I'm reading it now,, slowly. It's a lot to digest at once. I'm finding  the writings rather helpful with my style.

 
Hi, I'm new to all this, and I've just picked up my very first book on witchcraft -  Paul Huson's Mastering Witchcraft, but I did look over the miscellaneous excerpts from Liber Null, and its definitely going on the list for books to read....if only to find out what Chaos magic is!

I've still to find out who and what I am.  

Blessed Be

[Smokebender]

Hi, I'm new to all this, and I've just picked up my very first book on witchcraft -  Paul Huson's Mastering Witchcraft, but I did look over the miscellaneous excerpts from Liber Null, and its definitely going on the list for books to read....if only to find out what Chaos magic is!

I've still to find out who and what I am.  

Blessed Be

For me Chaos is easy to "understand". I'm also a martial artist and the best way to describe Chaos for me is by quoting Bruce Lee's style, "the way of no way."

One is free to use parts of other styles that fit with what works for you. One is also free to reform or adapt things that work for them. It isn't faster or an easier learning process but what you have is entirely you and you alone.

For my personality that's great because I resist authority and find it difficult to bow to the demands of others.

Another great read for me I'm working on is Visual Magic by Jan Fries. It's also related to Chaos but reads as if it's adaptable to other styles. In fact starting today I'll be working on a few things from this book related to slipping into gnosis.

[stitchinwith]

For me Chaos is easy to "understand". I'm also a martial artist and the best way to describe Chaos for me is by quoting Bruce Lee's style, "the way of no way."

One is free to use parts of other styles that fit with what works for you. One is also free to reform or adapt things that work for them. It isn't faster or an easier learning process but what you have is entirely you and you alone.

For my personality that's great because I resist authority and find it difficult to bow to the demands of others.

Another great read for me I'm working on is Visual Magic by Jan Fries. It's also related to Chaos but reads as if it's adaptable to other styles. In fact starting today I'll be working on a few things from this book related to slipping into gnosis.

 
Hi, thanks for enlightening me........  Chaos genuinely sounds appealing to me. I'll be making more investigations........ and hopefully I'll eventually be able to label myself........oh, the joys of self-discovery.

Blessed Be

[SunflowerP]

... but I did look over the miscellaneous excerpts from Liber Null, and its definitely going on the list for books to read....if only to find out what Chaos magic is!

 
The best overview I've ever seen is EverFool's The Chaos Magic Primer.  Chaos magic being what it is, every Chaote's definition will be different (and they will all be right, even when they contradict each other!), and there's no one authorative definition - but EverFool's is very clear and easy to understand.

Sunflower

[stitchinwith]

The best overview I've ever seen is EverFool's The Chaos Magic Primer.  Chaos magic being what it is, every Chaote's definition will be different (and they will all be right, even when they contradict each other!), and there's no one authorative definition - but EverFool's is very clear and easy to understand.

Sunflower

 
Thanks for the link - having read it, I think I have a better understanding of Chaos magic, and I will be looking into it in more depth.

[cigfran]

Has anyone read it? Comments on it? I'm reading it now,, slowly. It's a lot to digest at once. I'm finding  the writings rather helpful with my style.

 
I've also just started reading Liber Null and so far I'm liking it. Though I'm not sure if his opening description of magical training as pretty bog-standard meditation practice makes me think "ok, this is on the right track" or "hmmm... nothing new here." But as I said, I'm liking it and am moving on.

You might also give a look at Book of Lies: The Disinformation Guide to Magick and the Occult. It's a lot less self-serious than most texts on this subject, and the opening essay, Pop Magic! by Grant Morrison (yes, that Grant Morrison) is a real gem.

[Smokebender]

I've also just started reading Liber Null and so far I'm liking it. Though I'm not sure if his opening description of magical training as pretty bog-standard meditation practice makes me think "ok, this is on the right track" or "hmmm... nothing new here." But as I said, I'm liking it and am moving on.

You might also give a look at Book of Lies: The Disinformation Guide to Magick and the Occult. It's a lot less self-serious than most texts on this subject, and the opening essay, Pop Magic! by Grant Morrison (yes, that Grant Morrison) is a real gem.

 
Libe Null is more or less an introduction to IOT [Illuminates of Thanateros for those who don't yet know] yet your free to use or not use, adapt or whatever to your own needs. I have several books for Chaos that I've perused and as the previous poster states, they're all different. I don't buy the hardbacks or paperbacks. I surf and find them in ebook form. So far I have about 8 gigs of ebooks I burned to cd's for safe storage. I have about 100 in a folder. I'll search and find another that I've read that helped my understandign a bit. It was all boring rote at all and had a bit of humor injected to keep the reading entertaining.

As an aside. I don't meditate in the traditional sense of sitting twisted up like a pretzel and moaning some phrase. I do nothing more than sit and stare outside the bay window next to my pc and just think, letting my mind drift. The answer always comes to me.

[spoOk]

Libe Null is more or less an introduction to IOT [Illuminates of Thanateros for those who don't yet know] yet your free to use or not use, adapt or whatever to your own needs. I have several books for Chaos that I've perused and as the previous poster states, they're all different. I don't buy the hardbacks or paperbacks. I surf and find them in ebook form. So far I have about 8 gigs of ebooks I burned to cd's for safe storage. I have about 100 in a folder. I'll search and find another that I've read that helped my understandign a bit. It was all boring rote at all and had a bit of humor injected to keep the reading entertaining.

As an aside. I don't meditate in the traditional sense of sitting twisted up like a pretzel and moaning some phrase. I do nothing more than sit and stare outside the bay window next to my pc and just think, letting my mind drift. The answer always comes to me.

currently part way thru liber null,condensed chaos and the book of results,with psybermagick,visual magick and oven ready chaos up next.
I do like them so far,but definately condensed chaos has the thick language I find I have to read every paragraph twice to have it sink in.
also certain bits I'm not sure I feel like dealing with for my purposes....but lots of things I want to try for sure,and lots that fits and makes sense to how I feel about things already.

[stitchinwith]

currently part way thru liber null,condensed chaos and the book of results,with psybermagick,visual magick and oven ready chaos up next.
I do like them so far,but definately condensed chaos has the thick language I find I have to read every paragraph twice to have it sink in.
also certain bits I'm not sure I feel like dealing with for my purposes....but lots of things I want to try for sure,and lots that fits and makes sense to how I feel about things already.

 
Not yet completed Liber Null, I've found that it is a book I need to read in short bursts, return to it and re-read.  For me, it just doesn't flow.  But I will soldier on...  Whereas Visual Magick was an easy read, as too was oven ready chaos.

[Smokebender]

Not yet completed Liber Null, I've found that it is a book I need to read in short bursts, return to it and re-read.  For me, it just doesn't flow.  But I will soldier on...  Whereas Visual Magick was an easy read, as too was oven ready chaos.

 
Stephen Mace - Taking power is a fairly easy read and a lot less wordy than Liber Null.

I have the titles from the above posts on my lists of things to read. I'm hoping to find some things a bit more in depth. May have to start reading about Higher Magic to get what I'm aiming for.

[stitchinwith]

Stephen Mace - Taking power is a fairly easy read and a lot less wordy than Liber Null.

I have the titles from the above posts on my lists of things to read. I'm hoping to find some things a bit more in depth. May have to start reading about Higher Magic to get what I'm aiming for.

 
Yeah, Taking power is more easily digestible.  May I ask what it is you are aiming for? And, please excuse my ignorance, what is Higher Magic?

[spoOk]

Yeah, Taking power is more easily digestible.  May I ask what it is you are aiming for? And, please excuse my ignorance, what is Higher Magic?

 
I beleive he's refuring to high as apposed to low magick,which generally means all the ritual trappings with robes and incense and murmuring the right incantations etc.
compared to say drumming yourself into a frenzy and tossing some ingredients into a fire or what not.

[Smokebender]

Yeah, Taking power is more easily digestible.  May I ask what it is you are aiming for? And, please excuse my ignorance, what is Higher Magic?

There seems to be a general consensus there are two area's that can be aimed at regarding magic. Lower or black magic pertains to things that can be considered a part of the ego such as wealth, power etc. Higher or white magic pertains to the inner self and used for knowledge or a higher form of consciousness.

Some will use both or pursue one or the other. My goals pertain to both. I feel everything has to have a balance or make a circle if you will. One cannot have one without the other, ie, there is no up without a down.

I am aiming for knowledge as the ultimate goal. I'm a sponge when it comes to learning things. I also want to be a healer of sorts. To be able to do this requires an income. At the moment I live on disability with zero chance of being gainfully employed in the workforce.  Being 57 doesn't help that situation whatsoever. The majority of my time demands I do creative financing and looking at ways to keep the electricity on. There is still zero reason why I cannot make a reasonable income by being self employed. Practicing both higher and lower magic allows me to reach my goals by helping me find the income to become self employed and the knowledge to stay self employed.

[stitchinwith]

I beleive he's refuring to high as apposed to low magick,which generally means all the ritual trappings with robes and incense and murmuring the right incantations etc.
compared to say drumming yourself into a frenzy and tossing some ingredients into a fire or what not.

 
Oh, I see.