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Lesser Magic & Its Uses ...
« on: March 21, 2016, 06:47:41 am »
I consider Lesser Magic by far the more important of the two kinds. There are several reasons for this, the most important of which is the simple fact that LM deals w/those things that affect our lives constantly - LM is the air in our lives versus the tidal waves of Greater Magic - we are even more likely to be killed if our air is cut off than if we are hit by a tidal wave!

Of all the things that one might do w/LM, I believe that the most essential is express one's Self. If there is any purpose whatever to life - & there may or may not be - then I am convinced that that purpose for the individual is to be him/herself first, last, & foremost. To be one's Self is to express one's Self - to create an instantly recognizable image of one's Self for all the World to see.

Now, this rubs up against many a culture - many a society would have the individual erase him/herself as much as possible, so as to live as unobtrusive a life as possible. I deem all such societies oppressive & in need of change: I am not tolerant of such societies ...

Luckily, I live in the United States, where it is at least legal to be odd, if being odd is still somewhat socially costly.

Now - LM - in my opinion - too many try to use it in a wrong-headed way. LM is not usually for getting what you want, no. It is usually for learning to like what you have. What you have is yours. What you want might not be, especially if you did not earn it.

Wanting a million dollars that you did not sweat for is a bad idea & will likely bring you a million dollars worth of trouble. Wanting a lover whose sole recommendation is cuteness will likely bring you nothing but an acute headache. LM should not be used to cut corners!

Nor should it be used to make you look like someone else! There is nothing wrong w/baldness - or wrinkles - or small breasts - or any other feature that people spend money on trying to "fix". A face that has been lifted always looks lifted - and awful. LM should be used to make you YOU.

Learning how to dress a fat body in the right sizes & proper cuts & flattering colors will go a lot further in making a fat person look good than yo-yo dieting and trying to squeeze into the latest fashions. Being well-groomed and well-dressed will mitigate the fatness. An elegant outfit that hasn't got this season's clock ticking on it will always go a long way.

Fat people should always avoid gaudy, clingy, tight, loose, over-sized, pastels, bright, & flashy. Dress up is always better than dress down for the fat person. As a fat person, I know this stuff. And smell nice, always. And move gracefully. Learn to walk like a king or a queen. And, for god's sake - eat in public every chance you get - people know that you eat, so eat! And enjoy the damned food! BE HONEST. I'm not "large" - I'm not "overweight" - I'm not "big" - I'm FAT!

Use LM to tell the TRUTH - do not use it to tell lies!
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Re: Lesser Magic & Its Uses ...
« Reply #1 on: March 21, 2016, 01:58:54 pm »
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I consider Lesser Magic by far the more important of the two kinds. There are several reasons for this, the most important of which is the simple fact that LM deals w/those things that affect our lives constantly - LM is the air in our lives versus the tidal waves of Greater Magic - we are even more likely to be killed if our air is cut off than if we are hit by a tidal wave!
Of all the things that one might do w/LM, I believe that the most essential is express one's Self. If there is any purpose whatever to life - & there may or may not be - then I am convinced that that purpose for the individual is to be him/herself first, last, & foremost. To be one's Self is to express one's Self - to create an instantly recognizable image of one's Self for all the World to see.
Now, this rubs up against many a culture - many a society would have the individual erase him/herself as much as possible, so as to live as unobtrusive a life as possible. I deem all such societies oppressive & in need of change: I am not tolerant of such societies ...
Luckily, I live in the United States, where it is at least legal to be odd, if being odd is still somewhat socially costly.
Now - LM - in my opinion - too many try to use it in a wrong-headed way. LM is not usually for getting what you want, no. It is usually for learning to like what you have. What you have is yours. What you want might not be, especially if you did not earn it. Wanting a million dollars that you did not sweat for is a bad idea & will likely bring you a million dollars worth of trouble. Wanting a lover whose sole recommendation is cuteness will likely bring you nothing but an acute headache. LM should not be used to cut corners! Nor should it be used to make you look like someone else! There is nothing wrong w/baldness - or wrinkles - or small breasts - or any other feature that people spend money on trying to "fix". A face that has been lifted always looks lifted - and awful. LM should be used to make you YOU. Learning how to dress a fat body in the right sizes & proper cuts & flattering colors will go a lot further in making a fat person look good than yo-yo dieting and trying to squeeze into the latest fashions. Being well-groomed and well-dressed will mitigate the fatness. An elegant outfit that hasn't got this season's clock ticking on it will always go a long way. Fat people should always avoid gaudy, clingy, tight, loose, over-sized, pastels, bright, & flashy. Dress up is always better than dress down for the fat person. As a fat person, I know this stuff. And smell nice, always. And move gracefully. Learn to walk like a king or a queen. And, for god's sake - eat in public every chance you get - people know that you eat, so eat! And enjoy the damned food! BE HONEST. I'm not "large" - I'm not "overweight" - I'm not "big" - I'm FAT!
Use LM to tell the TRUTH - do not use it to tell lies!

Now, I am aware that I defended telling lies in another thread that I started - & here it seems that I am condemning telling lies. Paradox, eh? NO. We must all fib to get through our daily lives. No one is going to tell the boss that he/she was on the phone for 90 minutes w/Pumpkin, no - it was a prospective client!

Such lies are inconsequential because they are necessary - Why are they are necessary? B/c other people and their refusal to accept that we are as human as they are (they do the same shit themselves) force us to tell such lies. We're all lying - but no one can prove it - or wants to prove it - the whole fabric of society would unravel.

But to lie about one's own Nature, one's own Character by creating a false Persona, well, that is an entirely different matter. That is not an inconsequential lie. That is a terrible lie, both for one's audience & for one's Self. To say that one likes another's ridiculous looking new hairdo is one thing but to get the same hairdo is another!
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Re: Lesser Magic & Its Uses ...
« Reply #2 on: March 21, 2016, 05:09:08 pm »
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. LM is not usually for getting what you want, no. It is usually for learning to like what you have. What you have is yours. What you want might not be, especially if you did not earn it. Wanting a million dollars that you did not sweat for is a bad idea & will likely bring you a million dollars worth of trouble. Wanting a lover whose sole recommendation is cuteness will likely bring you nothing but an acute headache. !


Well  I use my craft for my own advantage and to get things to go my way all the time. No point in years of study and practice otherwise. I use my non magical skills to earn a living and improve my life and I see no difference in using more esoteric methods when appropriate.

And yes I'll use a glamour quite happily if I'm going out. I don't ignore the mundane grooming but I'm not against adding a little "sparkle" when I want to!

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Re: Lesser Magic & Its Uses ...
« Reply #3 on: March 21, 2016, 05:33:48 pm »
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Well  I use my craft for my own advantage and to get things to go my way all the time. No point in years of study and practice otherwise. I use my non magical skills to earn a living and improve my life and I see no difference in using more esoteric methods when appropriate.

And yes I'll use a glamour quite happily if I'm going out. I don't ignore the mundane grooming but I'm not against adding a little "sparkle" when I want to!

 
Well, a night on the town is one thing - & that's fine - but I meant more a serious relationship - there, it's a mistake to be a phony - it's rather like running up a bill that will come due and having to pay it, knowing full well that there won't be money to pay it. "Oh, he'll be so in love w/me by then he won't mind" - yes, he will - terribly.

Now, I am not criticizing you - or suggesting that you take after me - but it is My Way to allow others to have their ways in most things. Everyone knows that there are only a few things that Mark will get bent out of shape over, so everyone bends out of shape to accommodate me on those few things: I have used my tantrums so sparingly that they have been truly effective. Otherwise, I have gone way out of my (small) way to accommodate others. A few of my worst tantrums were thrown on the behalf of others: never mess w/the elderly if Mark is anywhere near!
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Re: Lesser Magic & Its Uses ...
« Reply #4 on: March 21, 2016, 05:45:43 pm »
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Well, a night on the town is one thing - & that's fine - but I meant more a serious relationship - there, it's a mistake to be a phony - it's rather like running up a bill that will come due and having to pay it, knowing full well that there won't be money to pay it. "Oh, he'll be so in love w/me by then he won't mind" - yes, he will - terribly.

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No more phony than making a special effort with the clothes and make up and plenty of women never let their partners see them without a face full of slap. Keeping  a glamour in place for more than a few hours is far too much like hard work as far as I'm concerned and I'm quite happy to be seen "au naturel". No one has run screaming yet...

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Re: Lesser Magic & Its Uses ...
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Re: Lesser Magic & Its Uses ...
« Reply #6 on: March 21, 2016, 08:25:28 pm »
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Of all the things that one might do w/LM, I believe that the most essential is express one's Self. If there is any purpose whatever to life - & there may or may not be - then I am convinced that that purpose for the individual is to be him/herself first, last, & foremost. To be one's Self is to express one's Self - to create an instantly recognizable image of one's Self for all the World to see.

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Fat people should always avoid gaudy, clingy, tight, loose, over-sized, pastels, bright, & flashy.


So, express yourself, except if you're fat and have those tastes, in which case who you are should be suppressed brutally.  Gotcha.

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Re: Lesser Magic & Its Uses ...
« Reply #7 on: March 22, 2016, 12:35:53 am »
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Of all the things that one might do w/LM, I believe that the most essential is express one's Self. If there is any purpose whatever to life - & there may or may not be - then I am convinced that that purpose for the individual is to be him/herself first, last, & foremost. To be one's Self is to express one's Self - to create an instantly recognizable image of one's Self for all the World to see.


So, you think the best use of low magic is to basically brand yourself?

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Now - LM - in my opinion - too many try to use it in a wrong-headed way. LM is not usually for getting what you want, no. It is usually for learning to like what you have. What you have is yours. What you want might not be, especially if you did not earn it.


I have to disagree entirely, if we are in fact talking about magic as "the science and art of causing change to occur in conformity with Will" - if I was just learning how to like the shit I already have, why on earth would I take up the practice of magic? Low magic in particular is all about getting stuff that you want.

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Nor should it be used to make you look like someone else!

...Use LM to tell the TRUTH - do not use it to tell lies!
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On some points I agree with you. I am an advocate of body positivity. I am a burlesque performer and producer, so I've seen a lot of different kinds of bodies in the buff and they are all perfectly fine the way they are. That does not, however, give me the right to tell people what they should or should not do to those bodies. If someone wants to get botox or some new tits, my opinion on the matter means exactly nothing.

I am also a proponent of image manipulation and looking your best. Whether we like it or not, we are judged on our appearance and, as you say, being well groomed and well dressed does wonders for making a good impression. You wouldn't go to a job interview in sweat pants, after all.

I believe that we can make a conscious choice to project a certain attitude through our personal style. Is this magic? Ehhh, I'm not sure I'd say that, but it is definitely a form of manipulation in pursuit of an end goal. Unlike you, however, I do not believe this must only be used to express your 'true' self. Sometimes it is in your best interests to make people think you're something else.

...incidentally, your fashion advice needs work.

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Re: Lesser Magic & Its Uses ...
« Reply #8 on: March 22, 2016, 04:44:38 pm »
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So, express yourself, except if you're fat and have those tastes, in which case who you are should be suppressed brutally.  Gotcha.


 
Except if you like bling!

 
That is difficult, isn't it? But, then, there is taste, isn't there? My own taste runs against bling period - but especially for fat people - or older people, for that matter ... The actor Brian Dennehy - a large, fat man - always looks nice because he is always well dressed: clothes that fit him, in darker solid colors, no wild patterns, in cuts that suit his his large frame - nothing that clings to his body, but nothing that is excessively loose. Our society is harsh on fat people: dressing up helps to mitigate that harshness. A fat person in sweats looks sloppy. A fat person in a nice suit w/a tasteful tie can be as handsome as anyone. Orson Welles was always beautifully dressed. Nobody every put the adjective "slob" w/the name "Orson Welles".
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Re: Lesser Magic & Its Uses ...
« Reply #9 on: March 22, 2016, 05:00:50 pm »
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Our society is harsh on fat people: dressing up helps to mitigate that harshness. A fat person in sweats looks sloppy.

 
Perhaps it's the job of society to stop being harsh on fat people, rather than the job of fat people to mitigate the harm being caused to them.

Also, may I just say that your opinion might not apply to everyone? For example, I think fat people look just fine in sweats.
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Re: Lesser Magic & Its Uses ...
« Reply #10 on: March 22, 2016, 05:09:01 pm »
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So, you think the best use of low magic is to basically brand yourself?



I have to disagree entirely, if we are in fact talking about magic as "the science and art of causing change to occur in conformity with Will" - if I was just learning how to like the shit I already have, why on earth would I take up the practice of magic? Low magic in particular is all about getting stuff that you want.



On some points I agree with you. I am an advocate of body positivity. I am a burlesque performer and producer, so I've seen a lot of different kinds of bodies in the buff and they are all perfectly fine the way they are. That does not, however, give me the right to tell people what they should or should not do to those bodies. If someone wants to get botox or some new tits, my opinion on the matter means exactly nothing.

I am also a proponent of image manipulation and looking your best. Whether we like it or not, we are judged on our appearance and, as you say, being well groomed and well dressed does wonders for making a good impression. You wouldn't go to a job interview in sweat pants, after all.

I believe that we can make a conscious choice to project a certain attitude through our personal style. Is this magic? Ehhh, I'm not sure I'd say that, but it is definitely a form of manipulation in pursuit of an end goal. Unlike you, however, I do not believe this must only be used to express your 'true' self. Sometimes it is in your best interests to make people think you're something else.

...incidentally, your fashion advice needs work.

Oh, I would never tell someone not to go ahead & have plastic surgery, but I would wonder why anyone would do such a thing. Beauty is useless b/c it gets things that are worthless - but, if someone yearns for those things, well, go right ahead ...

But I would go to a job interview in sweats - you see, I would never seek a job that was not in keeping w/ my personality, and, if my personality were the type that would have me wear sweats, then I would be looking for a job that required sweats, so wearing them would be expected of me. I'm a mathematician. Mathematicians tend to wear sports jackets and slacks, which is what I like to wear, anyway.

You're quoting Crowley. He died broke in a run-down rooming house, you know - after having inherited & run through a huge fortune. He was a brilliant man - but ...

I'm an ascetic - I keep my wants to a minimum. If nothing else, it allows me the luxury of being lazy. But it also saves me a lot of trouble in other ways - no arguments, no fights, no being all entangled in big affairs. I can spend my time doing math, listening to classical music, looking at art, taking walks, tending to my plants, and petting dogs.
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Re: Lesser Magic & Its Uses ...
« Reply #11 on: March 22, 2016, 05:13:13 pm »
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Perhaps it's the job of society to stop being harsh on fat people, rather than the job of fat people to mitigate the harm being caused to them.

Also, may I just say that your opinion might not apply to everyone? For example, I think fat people look just fine in sweats.

 
Well, I did say that it was a matter of taste ... I'm a fat person. I wear sweats to go to bed. I'd not wear them to leave the house.

As for it being society's job, well, yes, but is that going to happen? - especially since fat people are about the last group that it's OK to pick on?
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Re: Lesser Magic & Its Uses ...
« Reply #12 on: March 22, 2016, 05:18:07 pm »
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Well, I did say that it was a matter of taste ... I'm a fat person. I wear sweats to go to bed. I'd not wear them to leave the house.


I must have been misreading your tone. It comes across like you're applying your own strictures to others, rather than just yourself. If I misread, I apologize.

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As for it being society's job, well, yes, but is that going to happen? - especially since fat people are about the last group that it's OK to pick on?


I suppose I'm a bit of an idealist, but I like to think that the general attitude towards fatness is something that can be changed within our lifetime.
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« Reply #13 on: March 22, 2016, 05:59:21 pm »
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I must have been misreading your tone. It comes across like you're applying your own strictures to others, rather than just yourself. If I misread, I apologize.



I suppose I'm a bit of an idealist, but I like to think that the general attitude towards fatness is something that can be changed within our lifetime.

 
Well, that's a problem, I admit - I do have a pedantic tone that often comes across as preachy, but my attitude is not at all like that. In fact, I am very liberal and open-minded. I allow others to have their own opinions, let them do as they like, and never say "I told you so" when things crash & burn. Instead, I'm there to help put out the fire & pick up the pieces. I'm very soft-hearted. It's just that, as an outsider to nearly everything, I do have a unique opportunity to see a lot that others cannot see b/c they are too close, too involved. I say my piece, then I am done, & that is it. Time will tell if I got it right. There's no gloating involved. I don't like to see people suffer. I just wonder why people will make the same mistake over and over and over again.
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Re: Lesser Magic & Its Uses ...
« Reply #14 on: March 22, 2016, 06:19:58 pm »
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My own taste runs against bling period - but especially for fat people - or older people, for that matter ...

 
That would be a thing that is your problem, not other people's.

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