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Hola people! looking for some input on a theory.
« on: July 27, 2013, 01:38:31 pm »
First time poster here, so pardon that newbish smell...


a topic which has captured my interest for a while now is the art and science of spellcraft. that is, designing your own spells. for a long time now i've been studying different sources trying to crack the secret to composing ones own magic. for the most part i think i got it. but one issue has consistently been a trouble spot was the use of material components in a spell. of all the accoutrements you can use in magic, just what do you do with all of it?

in an effort to find an answer to that question, i began to study dozens of the mass market "spell books" you can easily find, breaking down the spells the therein and figuring out how they were built. i noticed a pattern start to emerge.

the majority of the spells that called on physical items or substances tended to use them in the same ways. generally: the item is crafted or modified to bare some resemblance to the goal of the working, either literally in or in the abstract. then energy is raised, encoded with purpose, then flowed into the item to "awaken" its magical properties and make it into a thing of power. once energized, the energy is also keyed with an "activation condition" that tells the energy when to express itself. this condition is usual tied to the items mundane use. for instance, a pair of scissors infused with magic and keyed to activate when those scissors cut. a candle keyed to activate when its lit, incense burned, oil anointed, and so forth. the stronger a resemblance of the item, or the thing the item does to the over all goal of the spell, the more suitable that item is as a tool of magic.

as for why you would want to go to the trouble of designing a spell like this, there are a few benefits. first, many materials contain energy that can be added to that which you raised, boosting the power and helping it along. flowing the energy into the item/substance facilities this combining. secondly, the item can act as a "holder" of your intent. many aspects of spellcasting are very intense and difficult to perform while thinking about more then one thing. such as raising power AND holding the intent of the spell in your mind. the item can be infused with your intentions, which frees your mind to focus on the raising of power or other part of the casting process. when you flow energy into the item, its a bit like poring water into a vessel. the water takes the shape of the vessel. finally, by giving the spell a physical embodiment the caster gains a more precise level of control over the where, when, and on whom the magic works. there's less chance of a mix up of the magick is keyed to effect only someone touched with an enchanted oil, for instance.

 
a quick Tl;dr of the above is "most spells that use items/substances enchant those items and make them into talismans, which are then kept near the place they most need to effect." its an extreme simplification, but it works. the only problem i have is the work "talisman." to a western/American mind that usually means a piece of jewelery or similar. this is inaccurate as many, many spells that follow the above pattern never call on anything close to jewelery. so what could be a better term?


now what im hoping to find here is some input on the ideas i outlined above. am i making sense or just blowing smoke? are there any examples of spells that utilize material ingredients that dont follow this pattern? am i missing anything?

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Re: Hola people! looking for some input on a theory.
« Reply #1 on: July 27, 2013, 06:54:26 pm »
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the majority of the spells that called on physical items or substances tended to use them in the same ways. generally: the item is crafted or modified to bare some resemblance to the goal of the working, either literally in or in the abstract. then energy is raised, encoded with purpose, then flowed into the item to "awaken" its magical properties and make it into a thing of power. once energized, the energy is also keyed with an "activation condition" that tells the energy when to express itself. this condition is usual tied to the items mundane use. for instance, a pair of scissors infused with magic and keyed to activate when those scissors cut. a candle keyed to activate when its lit, incense burned, oil anointed, and so forth. the stronger a resemblance of the item, or the thing the item does to the over all goal of the spell, the more suitable that item is as a tool of magic.

That's certainly one way of doing magic -- and probably one of the most common forms in neo-Pagan books. There are many others, however.
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Re: Hola people! looking for some input on a theory.
« Reply #2 on: July 28, 2013, 04:58:05 am »
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That's certainly one way of doing magic -- and probably one of the most common forms in neo-Pagan books. There are many others, however.

 
indeed it is only one way! the focus of the above ramble was in figuring out the general uses of material items and substances in spellwork. once you know how these things are incorporated, designing you own workings becomes much easier. but i did neglect to mention the other patterns i came across. allow me to remedy that.

a spell, as i understand it, is basically a statement to the universe of what you want to happen, energized and amplified through the application of spiritual forces. there are a multitude of ways of doing this, but they all seem to follow the same broad patterns. those being:
- meditative spells: these are almost purely mental exorcises. where meditation, visualization and concentration are the only means used to raise, program and direct the spells energy. this is the most basic form of a spell, and at the same time the most difficult to master.
- Words of power: building on the groundwork of a meditative spell, some caster take it another step by including a chant, incantation, mantra, affirmation or other verbal expression of they're goal. the physical act and sonic vibrations raise the energy, while the meaning of the sounds chosen shape the energy. as the words go forth, so to does the energy. important to note here is the inclusion of written words and pictographic symbols. writing and drawing these things out can have a similar effect to being spoken. and can aid the process of transferring the energy into an object for materia-magicia spells described above.
- action spells: a similar idea to words of power, this step adds a physical motion, sign or gesture to make the meaning of the spell all the more clear. words and actions can often be combined to amplify they're effects in a working.
- Materia Magicia: this covers the inclusion of material objects and substances in the spellwork. which i rambled on about already.

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Re: Hola people! looking for some input on a theory.
« Reply #3 on: July 31, 2013, 01:49:54 pm »
Quote from: thecosmicgoose;117068
First time poster here, so pardon that newbish smell...


a topic which has captured my interest for a while now is the art and science of spellcraft. that is, designing your own spells. for a long time now i've been studying different sources trying to crack the secret to composing ones own magic. for the most part i think i got it. but one issue has consistently been a trouble spot was the use of material components in a spell. of all the accoutrements you can use in magic, just what do you do with all of it?

in an effort to find an answer to that question, i began to study dozens of the mass market "spell books" you can easily find, breaking down the spells the therein and figuring out how they were built. i noticed a pattern start to emerge.

the majority of the spells that called on physical items or substances tended to use them in the same ways. generally: the item is crafted or modified to bare some resemblance to the goal of the working, either literally in or in the abstract. then energy is raised, encoded with purpose, then flowed into the item to "awaken" its magical properties and make it into a thing of power. once energized, the energy is also keyed with an "activation condition" that tells the energy when to express itself. this condition is usual tied to the items mundane use. for instance, a pair of scissors infused with magic and keyed to activate when those scissors cut. a candle keyed to activate when its lit, incense burned, oil anointed, and so forth. the stronger a resemblance of the item, or the thing the item does to the over all goal of the spell, the more suitable that item is as a tool of magic.

as for why you would want to go to the trouble of designing a spell like this, there are a few benefits. first, many materials contain energy that can be added to that which you raised, boosting the power and helping it along. flowing the energy into the item/substance facilities this combining. secondly, the item can act as a "holder" of your intent. many aspects of spellcasting are very intense and difficult to perform while thinking about more then one thing. such as raising power AND holding the intent of the spell in your mind. the item can be infused with your intentions, which frees your mind to focus on the raising of power or other part of the casting process. when you flow energy into the item, its a bit like poring water into a vessel. the water takes the shape of the vessel. finally, by giving the spell a physical embodiment the caster gains a more precise level of control over the where, when, and on whom the magic works. there's less chance of a mix up of the magick is keyed to effect only someone touched with an enchanted oil, for instance.

 
a quick Tl;dr of the above is "most spells that use items/substances enchant those items and make them into talismans, which are then kept near the place they most need to effect." its an extreme simplification, but it works. the only problem i have is the work "talisman." to a western/American mind that usually means a piece of jewelery or similar. this is inaccurate as many, many spells that follow the above pattern never call on anything close to jewelery. so what could be a better term?


now what im hoping to find here is some input on the ideas i outlined above. am i making sense or just blowing smoke? are there any examples of spells that utilize material ingredients that dont follow this pattern? am i missing anything?

 
wowza when you said "science of spellcraft" you for real meant science. your really puttin lots of thought into this. ima try to answer yur question but theres alot goin on here

i kinda think you might be puttin it into too much of a cookie cutter. the way yur talkin about could totally work and stuff but its not the only way magic could work. materials and whatnot are just symbolic ways for people to make what they want more specific. so you could use anythin in any way as long as it makes sense to the caster. so a spell could go in any way and pattern. but yeah! theres lots of spells that go the way yur talkin about

i dont really think magic is that much of a science. its more artsy sorta

BUT HMMM.... im tryin to think of a better word for talisman. i guess totem is fancy sounding. since a totem is somethin symbolic/respresents somethin else
OOH or a catalyst! i always liked that word.
le dictionary said this: "catalyst: something that causes activity between two or more persons or forces without itself being affected"

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Re: Hola people! looking for some input on a theory.
« Reply #4 on: July 31, 2013, 02:32:23 pm »
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the only problem i have is the work "talisman." to a western/American mind that usually means a piece of jewelery or similar. this is inaccurate as many, many spells that follow the above pattern never call on anything close to jewelery. so what could be a better term?

 
Talisman is a perfect term (if talisman is what you mean, because some spell casters use amulets); as long as you understand it then why bother how others perceive it?

Quote from: thecosmicgoose;117068
now what im hoping to find here is some input on the ideas i outlined above. am i making sense or just blowing smoke? are there any examples of spells that utilize material ingredients that dont follow this pattern? am i missing anything?


I think you have understood the general outline of how magic works: you either use or do not use certain things to strike up a mood within to better manifest your intent. Now the next step is to not over think it... :p
Grief and sorrow grows on the far banks of the river Styx, go there and visit them and you might not find your own way back home. - Achilles

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