collapse

* "Unable to verify referring url. Please go back and try again" Problem Logging In?

If you get an "Unable to verify referring url. Please go back and try again" error when you try to log in, you need to be sure you are accessing the board with a url that starts with "https://ecauldron.com".  If it starts with https://www.ecauldron.com" (or "http://www.ecauldron.com") you will get this error because "www.ecauldron.com" is not technically the same website as "ecauldron.com". Moving to the more secure "https" means it is more picky about such things.

Author Topic: Have question about used cast iron cauldrons  (Read 1924 times)

Nyktipolos

  • Grand Master Member
  • *******
  • Join Date: Jul 2011
  • *
  • Posts: 1498
  • Total likes: 2
    • View Profile
Re: Have question about used cast iron cauldrons
« Reply #15 on: May 08, 2014, 11:03:06 am »
Quote from: RainbowSnake;147062
Just kind of want to hang this here.

Smudging is a term that is generally considered culturally appropriative. From my vague memory, I recall it to be particularly appropriative of Native Americans.

A couple of people I know tend to use the word 'censing' to refer to the same actions that 'smudging' referrs to, in order to avoid the appropriation that happens when one says 'smudging'.

 
I think it can be appropriative if it's used for the wrong reasons, or people don't acknowledge the history of it? (Never mind that smudge is an English term and I rarely hear people say the word for it in the language, which is really sad to me) But it's not necessarily a closed practice: it's supposed to be healing medicine and everyone is allowed to enjoy it. The only time it ticks me off is when people are using a lot of different herb combos, calling it a smudge stick, and still say it is Native American (or "Native American inspired").
"Though my soul may set in darkness, it will rise in perfect light;
I have loved the stars too fondly to be fearful of the night." - Sarah Williams
On the Rivers

Allaya

  • Staff
  • *
  • Join Date: Sep 2013
  • Location: Out of My Mind
  • Posts: 876
  • Country: no
  • Total likes: 29
    • View Profile
  • Religion: It's Complicated
  • Preferred Pronouns: she/her/hers
Re: Have question about used cast iron cauldrons
« Reply #16 on: May 08, 2014, 11:11:30 am »
Quote from: Nyktipolos;147072
I think it can be appropriative if it's used for the wrong reasons, or people don't acknowledge the history of it? (Never mind that smudge is an English term and I rarely hear people say the word for it in the language, which is really sad to me) But it's not necessarily a closed practice: it's supposed to be healing medicine and everyone is allowed to enjoy it. The only time it ticks me off is when people are using a lot of different herb combos, calling it a smudge stick, and still say it is Native American (or "Native American inspired").

 
I fucking hate tumblr, but ran into this and decided it was worth bookmarking:

http://sonneillonv.tumblr.com/post/40489540237/diy-smudge-sticks

The term 'smudge' is not one that I'd use personally and I like the way it was explained in the linked reblog.
Service is the rent we pay for the privilege of living on this earth.  — Shirley Chisholm
No doubt the truth can be unpleasant, but I am not sure that unpleasantness is the same as the truth.  — Roger Ebert
It is difficult to get a person to understand something when their livelihood depends upon them not understanding it. — Upton Sinclair (adapted)
People cannot be reasoned out of an opinion that they have not reasoned themselves into. — Fisher Ames (adapted)

Nyktipolos

  • Grand Master Member
  • *******
  • Join Date: Jul 2011
  • *
  • Posts: 1498
  • Total likes: 2
    • View Profile
Re: Have question about used cast iron cauldrons
« Reply #17 on: May 08, 2014, 11:16:34 am »
Quote from: Allaya;147073
I fucking hate tumblr, but ran into this and decided it was worth bookmarking:

http://sonneillonv.tumblr.com/post/40489540237/diy-smudge-sticks

The term 'smudge' is not one that I'd use personally and I like the way it was explained in the linked reblog.

 
There are definitely others terms people can use, whether it's in English or another language. It's not like Native nations have the monopoly on smoke cleansing (I really like this term)? But when I see a lot of either New Agers or Pagans using what they call smudge sticks, I can see right away they are not being used in the same way as someone who is traditional is using them? Doesn't mean everyone who does it is doing so maliciously (still makes it appropriative imho), but I would at least like people to own up to their stuff, acknowledge it's different, and *move on*.

(Also fwiw there is a great NDN tumblr community! Although a lot of us got burned out a couple of years ago trying to reclaim the tags. I also think that is a really great post and am bookmarking it asap to show others. :) )
"Though my soul may set in darkness, it will rise in perfect light;
I have loved the stars too fondly to be fearful of the night." - Sarah Williams
On the Rivers

Jack

  • Adept Member
  • ********
  • Join Date: Apr 2012
  • Location: Cascadia
  • Posts: 3171
  • Country: us
  • Total likes: 93
    • View Profile
    • Dwarvenpunk
  • Religion: ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
  • Preferred Pronouns: he/him/his
Re: Have question about used cast iron cauldrons
« Reply #18 on: May 08, 2014, 01:17:58 pm »
Quote from: rocquelaire;147054
Yes, this! I feel very strongly that Brighid expects me to reuse, recycle etc. to the point that I consider it to be part of my religious practice to be responsible about resources as far as I can.

Yes, what you and Naomi said! It's for a different goddess but she expects me to buy secondhand (or failing that, supporting small local artisans or businesses) when I can for almost everything, altar included.
« Last Edit: May 08, 2014, 01:18:28 pm by Jack »
Hail Mara, Lady of Good Things!
"The only way to cope with something deadly serious is to try to treat it a little lightly." -Madeleine L'Engle

Melian Brythonia

  • Apprentice
  • ***
  • Join Date: Mar 2014
  • Posts: 26
  • Total likes: 0
    • View Profile
Re: Have question about used cast iron cauldrons
« Reply #19 on: May 08, 2014, 05:51:49 pm »
Quote from: Izzie414;147064
I'm a firm believer that most objects can be energetically cleaned. I also frequent thrift shops...it's always a pleasant surprise what you can find in them.


Another secondhand shopper here - I find that it allows for synchronicity to take hold as well. More often than not when I have been in need of an item I have found it in a charity shop or car boot sale shortly afterwards. I found many of my tools this way.
Formerly known as OwlHeart!

In search of Isis....

Jack

  • Adept Member
  • ********
  • Join Date: Apr 2012
  • Location: Cascadia
  • Posts: 3171
  • Country: us
  • Total likes: 93
    • View Profile
    • Dwarvenpunk
  • Religion: ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
  • Preferred Pronouns: he/him/his
Re: Have question about used cast iron cauldrons
« Reply #20 on: May 08, 2014, 07:55:33 pm »
Quote from: OwlHeart;147109
Another secondhand shopper here - I find that it allows for synchronicity to take hold as well. More often than not when I have been in need of an item I have found it in a charity shop or car boot sale shortly afterwards. I found many of my tools this way.

 
This is another great point. I've found exactly what I needed at yard sales more than once, things I either hadn't found at all in traditional pagan/new age shops or couldn't come close to affording.
Hail Mara, Lady of Good Things!
"The only way to cope with something deadly serious is to try to treat it a little lightly." -Madeleine L'Engle

PhantomQueen

  • Journeyman
  • *****
  • Join Date: Aug 2011
  • Posts: 201
  • Total likes: 0
    • View Profile
Re: Have question about used cast iron cauldrons
« Reply #21 on: May 11, 2014, 09:11:25 am »
Quote from: Jack;147124
This is another great point. I've found exactly what I needed at yard sales more than once, things I either hadn't found at all in traditional pagan/new age shops or couldn't come close to affording.

 
I've also found that pagans in my community donate their books etc to thrift stores as well once they're not wanted/needed.  As I've worked in a couple thrs, I see them come in and get gobbled up quickly :)  Some places don't have as big a pagan community that's so obvious, so this is a great way to pass things around/forward.

Tags:
 

Related Topics

  Subject / Started by Replies Last post
12 Replies
1568 Views
Last post October 20, 2012, 07:43:05 pm
by Vitkyng
4 Replies
1220 Views
Last post December 02, 2012, 08:44:09 pm
by KuroiTenshi
15 Replies
3467 Views
Last post September 03, 2014, 04:23:57 pm
by Darkhawk
27 Replies
1860 Views
Last post May 02, 2017, 07:59:15 pm
by Hariti
12 Replies
1564 Views
Last post January 16, 2018, 06:12:57 pm
by Oíche

Beginner Area

Warning: You are currently in a Beginner Friendly area of the message board.

* Who's Online

  • Dot Guests: 28
  • Dot Hidden: 0
  • Dot Users: 0

There aren't any users online.

* Please Donate!

The Cauldron's server is expensive and requires monthly payments. Please become a Bronze, Silver or Gold Donor if you can. Donations are needed every month. Without member support, we can't afford the server.

* Shop & Support TC

The links below are affiliate links. When you click on one of these links you will go to the listed shopping site with The Cauldron's affiliate code. Any purchases you make during your visit will earn TC a tiny percentage of your purchase price at no extra cost to you.

* In Memoriam

Chavi (2006)
Elspeth (2010)
Marilyn (2013)

* Cauldron Staff

Host:
Sunflower

Message Board Staff
Board Coordinator:
Darkhawk

Assistant Board Coordinator:
Aster Breo

Senior Staff:
Aisling, Jenett, Sefiru

Staff:
Allaya, Chatelaine, EclecticWheel, HarpingHawke, Kylara, PerditaPickle, rocquelaire

Discord Chat Staff
Chat Coordinator:
Morag

Cauldron Council:
Bob, Catja, Emma-Eldritch, Fausta, Jubes, Kelly, LyricFox, Phouka, Sperran, Star, Steve, Tana

Site Administrator:
Randall