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« on: August 14, 2015, 04:38:27 pm »
Hi Folks. Yes, I'm an old guy (late 50s), but I am a young Pagan. I started identifying as a Pagan about a year ago (summer 2014). Prior to that I was a born-again Christian. I was a leader in a large nondenominational church. I earned a bachelor's degree in biblical studies, a master of divinity degree and was ordained in 1994. Things changed (obviously) (and a long story) and in my search for spiritual fulfillment apart from my Christian faith I found Paganism.
I am drawn to the cycles of nature and how they inform the spiritual practices and observances of Paganism. I have been reading a ton of books on Paganism and Wicca. I attended a UU church for a while. A CUUPs chapter was connected with that church and I attended one of their Samhain rituals. I have wanted to attend their Friday night gatherings, but have yet to do so.
I have a couple of challenges in my transition from Christianity to Paganism. My wife is still a Christian and I work at a Christian institution, both of whom don't know about my conversion. My wife knows that I no longer consider myself a Christian, but she doesn't know that I now consider myself to be Pagan. She does know that I have been studying alternative spiritually.
Thats all for now. I look forward to interacting with you.

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Re: Old guy, young Pagan
« Reply #1 on: August 14, 2015, 04:54:22 pm »
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Hi Folks. Yes, I'm an old guy (late 50s), but I am a young Pagan. I started identifying as a Pagan about a year ago (summer 2014). Prior to that I was a born-again Christian. I was a leader in a large nondenominational church. I earned a bachelor's degree in biblical studies, a master of divinity degree and was ordained in 1994. Things changed (obviously) (and a long story) and in my search for spiritual fulfillment apart from my Christian faith I found Paganism.
I am drawn to the cycles of nature and how they inform the spiritual practices and observances of Paganism. I have been reading a ton of books on Paganism and Wicca. I attended a UU church for a while. A CUUPs chapter was connected with that church and I attended one of their Samhain rituals. I have wanted to attend their Friday night gatherings, but have yet to do so.
I have a couple of challenges in my transition from Christianity to Paganism. My wife is still a Christian and I work at a Christian institution, both of whom don't know about my conversion. My wife knows that I no longer consider myself a Christian, but she doesn't know that I now consider myself to be Pagan. She does know that I have been studying alternative spiritually.
Thats all for now. I look forward to interacting with you.

 
Well, now. That's quite the story. From priest to pagan.

I'll be keeping an eye on you...
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« Reply #2 on: August 14, 2015, 05:02:22 pm »
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Well, now. That's quite the story. From priest to pagan.

I'll be keeping an eye on you...
I never thought about it like that, but I like it. It has a nice flow to it.  
Thanks

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« Reply #3 on: August 14, 2015, 08:02:51 pm »
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I have a couple of challenges in my transition from Christianity to Paganism. My wife is still a Christian and I work at a Christian institution, both of whom don't know about my conversion. My wife knows that I no longer consider myself a Christian, but she doesn't know that I now consider myself to be Pagan. She does know that I have been studying alternative spiritually.
Thats all for now. I look forward to interacting with you.


To leave Lutheranism for Paganism, as I did, was probably something quite different. The Lutheran environments I dwelled in was considerably less emotional than what the nondenominational revivalist type of Christianity usually is (And it is probable that we once held very different views on Bible interpretation). Existentially, I guess that our journeys are very different in this regard.

If you, however, wish to discuss the theological implications of our changed religious surroundings, I am ready to exchange thoughts and reflections.

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Re: Old guy, young Pagan
« Reply #4 on: August 15, 2015, 05:45:45 am »
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Hi Folks. Yes, I'm an old guy (late 50s), but I am a young Pagan. I started identifying as a Pagan about a year ago (summer 2014). Prior to that I was a born-again Christian. I was a leader in a large nondenominational church. I earned a bachelor's degree in biblical studies, a master of divinity degree and was ordained in 1994. Things changed (obviously) (and a long story) and in my search for spiritual fulfillment apart from my Christian faith I found Paganism.
I am drawn to the cycles of nature and how they inform the spiritual practices and observances of Paganism. I have been reading a ton of books on Paganism and Wicca. I attended a UU church for a while. A CUUPs chapter was connected with that church and I attended one of their Samhain rituals. I have wanted to attend their Friday night gatherings, but have yet to do so.
I have a couple of challenges in my transition from Christianity to Paganism. My wife is still a Christian and I work at a Christian institution, both of whom don't know about my conversion. My wife knows that I no longer consider myself a Christian, but she doesn't know that I now consider myself to be Pagan. She does know that I have been studying alternative spiritually.
Thats all for now. I look forward to interacting with you.

Hello! I was raised Roman Catholic, but decided at around 10 years old that "man-made" religion was full of BS (just my opinion when I was a kid) and couldn't answer my questions properly so I dropped ALL "organised" religion from around age 13 and was a silent anti-theist up until about 2 weeks ago when, after a dream that woke me in the wee hours and filled me with a furious need to learn all I could about the Goddess (the Morrigan, specifically) and Paganism and Wicca. It answered pretty much all the questions I have had since I was a little girl, and also opened my eyes to things that made me "weird" to other people, but more in tune with Nature than most people. It was an "aha" moment. A tiny little epiphany, which explained so much about myself and the decisions I've made and the way I am right down to my core, that I could not ignore it.
I've vaguely shared it with my (atheist) husband, but not in terms of me "being Pagan" or "being Wiccan" but more as a "new interest" and that i was learning about it, and about mythology etc. I'm not ready to share my epiphany with him just yet. He was away when I had my dream, so he didn't see me in my informational fury that had me reading up on it all for hours and hours and buying loads of books etc.

Stay strong, and you know that the right Path will show itself. I'm waiting for it too.

(Edit: I will be 40 years old in just over a month's time - so I wanted to add that age is not important in this!)
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« Reply #5 on: August 15, 2015, 07:48:21 am »
Quote from: 70sWoodstock;178748
Hi Folks. Yes, I'm an old guy (late 50s), but I am a young Pagan. I started identifying as a Pagan about a year ago (summer 2014). Prior to that I was a born-again Christian. I was a leader in a large nondenominational church. I earned a bachelor's degree in biblical studies, a master of divinity degree and was ordained in 1994. Things changed (obviously) (and a long story) and in my search for spiritual fulfillment apart from my Christian faith I found Paganism.
I am drawn to the cycles of nature and how they inform the spiritual practices and observances of Paganism. I have been reading a ton of books on Paganism and Wicca. I attended a UU church for a while. A CUUPs chapter was connected with that church and I attended one of their Samhain rituals. I have wanted to attend their Friday night gatherings, but have yet to do so.
I have a couple of challenges in my transition from Christianity to Paganism. My wife is still a Christian and I work at a Christian institution, both of whom don't know about my conversion. My wife knows that I no longer consider myself a Christian, but she doesn't know that I now consider myself to be Pagan. She does know that I have been studying alternative spiritually.
That's all for now. I look forward to interacting with you.


Welcome! Allot of people are in the same situation as you. Dissatisfaction with the church is almost the norm in today's world. People are waking up and seeing Christianity for what it really is. Unless it modernizes, it will become a relic in a museum.

I thankfully never grew up in the Christian Church. I was brought up in a secular home. My father is a staunch Agnostic, and so is my sister. Mum is a Spiritualist (still is) and she use to take me to the Spiritualist church, which my very secular father did not mind. The difference with Spiritualism is that you'll never hear fire and broomstone in their services. At a young age, I was taught to be open and accepting to all religions.

From the age of 13 I wanted to try other belief systems. Sadly, I was very undecided on what belief to adhere to, and it took me along time for me to find a path that would fit. Now I consider myself a  "Gaelic Polytheist" (more animist to be honest) and so far, I've not looked back. Not gonna lie, sometimes I still wonder if the path I'm on is right, but to be honest I'm not going to worry about it. I still feel I'm on the right course, and if it turns out I'm not then there's always other "religions" for me to try. I think one should seek until the tradition they find "clicks" with them.

Again, welcome to the forum!

Tulach.
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Re: Old guy, young Pagan
« Reply #6 on: August 15, 2015, 08:33:06 am »
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If you, however, wish to discuss the theological implications of our changed religious surroundings, I am ready to exchange thoughts and reflections.
Thanks FraterBenedict,
I have been reading Kraemer's Pagan Theologies and trying to reconstruct my theology. I have summarized what I have called my fledgling theology on my blog. I would be very interested in your feedback, if you are interested.
 http://70swoodstock.blogspot.com/2015/08/my-fledgling-pagan-theology.html?spref=tw
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« Reply #7 on: August 15, 2015, 08:47:48 am »
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Hello! I was raised Roman Catholic, but decided at around 10 years old that "man-made" religion was full of BS (just my opinion when I was a kid) and couldn't answer my questions properly so I dropped ALL "organised" religion from around age 13 and was a silent anti-theist up until about 2 weeks ago when, after a dream that woke me in the wee hours and filled me with a furious need to learn all I could about the Goddess (the Morrigan, specifically) and Paganism and Wicca. It answered pretty much all the questions I have had since I was a little girl, and also opened my eyes to things that made me "weird" to other people, but more in tune with Nature than most people. It was an "aha" moment. A tiny little epiphany, which explained so much about myself and the decisions I've made and the way I am right down to my core, that I could not ignore it.
I've vaguely shared it with my (atheist) husband, but not in terms of me "being Pagan" or "being Wiccan" but more as a "new interest" and that i was learning about it, and about mythology etc. I'm not ready to share my epiphany with him just yet. He was away when I had my dream, so he didn't see me in my informational fury that had me reading up on it all for hours and hours and buying loads of books etc.

Stay strong, and you know that the right Path will show itself. I'm waiting for it too.

(Edit: I will be 40 years old in just over a month's time - so I wanted to add that age is not important in this!)

 
It sounds like you have begun a wonderful journey, full of discovery and wonder. Best of luck to you.
Thanks for the encouragement and the note about age.

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Welcome! Allot of people are in the same situation as you. Dissatisfaction with the church is almost the norm in today's world. People are waking up and seeing Christianity for what it really is. Unless it modernizes, it will become a relic in a museum.

I thankfully never grew up in the Christian Church. I was brought up in a secular home. My father is a staunch Agnostic, and so is my sister. Mum is a Spiritualist (still is) and she use to take me to the Spiritualist church, which my very secular father did not mind. The difference with Spiritualism is that you'll never hear fire and broomstone in their services. At a young age, I was taught to be open and accepting to all religions.

From the age of 13 I wanted to try other belief systems. Sadly, I was very undecided on what belief to adhere to, and it took me along time for me to find a path that would fit. Now I consider myself a  "Gaelic Polytheist" (more animist to be honest) and so far, I've not looked back. Not gonna lie, sometimes I still wonder if the path I'm on is right, but to be honest I'm not going to worry about it. I still feel I'm on the right course, and if it turns out I'm not then there's always other "religions" for me to try. I think one should seek until the tradition they find "clicks" with them.

Again, welcome to the forum!

Tulach.

 
Thanks for the replay. I think one of the main things that nagged me about Christianity for a long time was how it was so exclusive. Specifically, how it condemned those with lifestyles different from my own, such as the LGBTQ community.
Regarding, whether or not you are on the right path, here is what I have learned in my brief time as a Pagan. If you feel like you are connecting with your spiritual side, not hurting anyone, and finding fulfillment, then you are on the right path.
Blessed be.

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« Reply #9 on: August 15, 2015, 10:41:28 pm »
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Thanks for the replay. I think one of the main things that nagged me about Christianity for a long time was how it was so exclusive. Specifically, how it condemned those with lifestyles different from my own, such as the LGBTQ community.


The Episcopal Church, Lutheran churches in some countries (like Sweden), the Metropolitan Community Church and Liberal Quakers are all LGBTQ friendly. Christianity does not condemn the LGBTQ community. Some forms of Christianity do.

We can't expect 2 billion persons to have exactly the same view on everything. This diversity is also true when it comes to other issues: How worship ought to be structured, what baptism means, when baptism ought to occur (or not), what the eucharist means, exactly how predestination, divine grace and human response interwine... The list is long.

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« Reply #10 on: August 15, 2015, 10:47:11 pm »
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Thanks FraterBenedict,
I have been reading Kraemer's Pagan Theologies and trying to reconstruct my theology. I have summarized what I have called my fledgling theology on my blog. I would be very interested in your feedback, if you are interested.
 http://70swoodstock.blogspot.com/2015/08/my-fledgling-pagan-theology.html?spref=tw


I will send you a private message later the coming week. Your blog was interesting reading. I will already now hint that I (at the moment) don't hold exactly the same theological positions as you do: I am not a hard polytheist. Zeno, Plotinus and Shankara keep me away from that opinion.

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« Reply #11 on: August 16, 2015, 01:39:21 pm »
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I will send you a private message later the coming week. Your blog was interesting reading. I will already now hint that I (at the moment) don't hold exactly the same theological positions as you do: I am not a hard polytheist. Zeno, Plotinus and Shankara keep me away from that opinion.
Sounds good FraterBenedict. I look forward to hearing from you.

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The Episcopal Church, Lutheran churches in some countries (like Sweden), the Metropolitan Community Church and Liberal Quakers are all LGBTQ friendly. Christianity does not condemn the LGBTQ community. Some forms of Christianity do.

We can't expect 2 billion persons to have exactly the same view on everything. This diversity is also true when it comes to other issues: How worship ought to be structured, what baptism means, when baptism ought to occur (or not), what the eucharist means, exactly how predestination, divine grace and human response interwine... The list is long.
Yes, I get all that. I guess it was the bigotry within the group I was a part of that got me to question my theology. Since then, I have found that Christian theology in general is not a good fit for me. Although I still enjoy reading about it.

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« Reply #13 on: August 17, 2015, 10:04:09 am »
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Hi Folks. Yes, I'm an old guy (late 50s), but I am a young Pagan. I started identifying as a Pagan about a year ago (summer 2014). Prior to that I was a born-again Christian. I was a leader in a large nondenominational church. I earned a bachelor's degree in biblical studies, a master of divinity degree and was ordained in 1994. Things changed (obviously) (and a long story) and in my search for spiritual fulfillment apart from my Christian faith I found Paganism.
I am drawn to the cycles of nature and how they inform the spiritual practices and observances of Paganism. I have been reading a ton of books on Paganism and Wicca. I attended a UU church for a while. A CUUPs chapter was connected with that church and I attended one of their Samhain rituals. I have wanted to attend their Friday night gatherings, but have yet to do so.
I have a couple of challenges in my transition from Christianity to Paganism. My wife is still a Christian and I work at a Christian institution, both of whom don't know about my conversion. My wife knows that I no longer consider myself a Christian, but she doesn't know that I now consider myself to be Pagan. She does know that I have been studying alternative spiritually.
Thats all for now. I look forward to interacting with you.

 
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« Reply #14 on: August 17, 2015, 04:18:15 pm »
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The Episcopal Church, Lutheran churches in some countries (like Sweden), the Metropolitan Community Church and Liberal Quakers are all LGBTQ friendly. Christianity does not condemn the LGBTQ community. Some forms of Christianity do.


Now these pro-gay Christian churches exist, and other denominations/branches are more accepting. This evolution is encouraging and speaks to the strengths of Christianity.

But this increased acceptance is a recent development (and counterbalanced by the fact that other branches of Christianity form the main reservoir of resistance to LGBTQ equal rights in many parts of the world, incl. the U.S.). Many of us remember a time when Christian churches were nearly universally condemning of anything LGBTQ. (Note to 70sWoodstock: I'm in my early 50s, so I'm nearly in your age group.) For some of us, that has rendered Christianity irredeemably toxic.

Not that I was ever a candidate for that religion anyway, but I just wanted to affirm where the OP might have been coming from.
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