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Greetings out of the Storm
« on: November 02, 2014, 04:56:26 am »
Hello,

My name is Jason Hughes. I am half Tzalagi (Cherokee) & half Chah'ta (Choctaw). Within the Cherokee language, Tzalagi means "Thunder Deity". Within the Choctaw language, "Chah'ta" means "Great with Time". I have been a Greek Pagan my total life. I advocate the strictly Greek Deity references published context the Spheres of the Solar System for the Global context, as my Sociological, Cultural, Theological & Cosmological deifical responsibility. Culturally, tribals of the land "Ameliyanika" are "Red Dragon".
:)
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Re: Greetings out of the Storm
« Reply #1 on: November 02, 2014, 07:49:51 am »
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Hello,

My name is Jason Hughes. I am half Tzalagi (Cherokee) & half Chah'ta (Choctaw). Within the Cherokee language, Tzalagi means "Thunder Deity". Within the Choctaw language, "Chah'ta" means "Great with Time". I have been a Greek Pagan my total life. I advocate the strictly Greek Deity references published context the Spheres of the Solar System for the Global context, as my Sociological, Cultural, Theological & Cosmological deifical responsibility. Culturally, tribals of the land "Ameliyanika" are "Red Dragon".
:)

 
Welcome, Jason! I admit that I'm mostly confused by your post (this non-native English speaker's brain is puzzled), but you've enlightened me to the meanings of some really cool new words! Native American culture's always been intriguing to me, though the opportunities to really research them are few and far between.

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Re: Greetings out of the Storm
« Reply #2 on: November 02, 2014, 12:15:23 pm »
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Hello,

 
Welcome to The Cauldron.  I also am not sure I understood all of what you said, but I look forward to learning more about your beliefs.  :)
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Re: Greetings out of the Storm
« Reply #3 on: November 02, 2014, 05:25:45 pm »
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Hello,

My name is Jason Hughes. I am half Tzalagi (Cherokee) & half Chah'ta (Choctaw). Within the Cherokee language, Tzalagi means "Thunder Deity". Within the Choctaw language, "Chah'ta" means "Great with Time". I have been a Greek Pagan my total life. I advocate the strictly Greek Deity references published context the Spheres of the Solar System for the Global context, as my Sociological, Cultural, Theological & Cosmological deifical responsibility. Culturally, tribals of the land "Ameliyanika" are "Red Dragon".
:)
My dad's father was Catawba, and his mother was half Tsalagi (I've never seen it written with a Z before, that's interesting). I've also never heard the claim that the name has anything to do with a deity. Source please?
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Re: Greetings out of the Storm
« Reply #4 on: November 02, 2014, 08:47:56 pm »
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Hello,

My name is Jason Hughes. I am half Tzalagi (Cherokee) & half Chah'ta (Choctaw). Within the Cherokee language, Tzalagi means "Thunder Deity". Within the Choctaw language, "Chah'ta" means "Great with Time". I have been a Greek Pagan my total life. I advocate the strictly Greek Deity references published context the Spheres of the Solar System for the Global context, as my Sociological, Cultural, Theological & Cosmological deifical responsibility. Culturally, tribals of the land "Ameliyanika" are "Red Dragon".
:)

 
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Re: Greetings out of the Storm
« Reply #5 on: November 02, 2014, 09:37:38 pm »
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Hello,

My name is Jason Hughes. I am half Tzalagi (Cherokee) & half Chah'ta (Choctaw). Within the Cherokee language, Tzalagi means "Thunder Deity". Within the Choctaw language, "Chah'ta" means "Great with Time". I have been a Greek Pagan my total life. I advocate the strictly Greek Deity references published context the Spheres of the Solar System for the Global context, as my Sociological, Cultural, Theological & Cosmological deifical responsibility. Culturally, tribals of the land "Ameliyanika" are "Red Dragon".
:)

 
Welcome to TC, Jason.

I am part Tsalagi and Muscogee. I've never seen Cherokee spelled in the tribal language using a "z" in place of the "s" so I'd love to know where you got that spelling from. Also, the name has never been attributed to a "Thunder Deity" in any of the information I've been given (family lore) or researched, so I would like to hear more about your source for that info too.

Here's a site I recommend to others who want to learn more about the Tsalagi: http://www.cherokee.org

It was created by the Western Band of the Cherokee Nation. I might be a little biased towards it because my Tsalagi family members grew up in Tahlequah, Oklahoma. ;)

It has a pretty decent FAQ section here: http://www.cherokee.org/AboutTheNation/FrequentlyAskedQuestions.aspx
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Re: Greetings out of the Storm
« Reply #6 on: November 04, 2014, 06:25:57 am »
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Cherokee spelled in the tribal language using a "z"

The primary syllable within the word, "Cherokee", is typically spelled as what would be actually translated with three letters, including a "t". Numerous spell it with "ts(vowel)" for that set of syllables. The word "Cherokee" as well means "The People", while it's context the word, "Asgaya Gigagei" as well means, "The People", with addition to meaning, "Thunder Deity", & as a result of the usage for the Tzalagi language, in addition to the optional usage the "s" being replaced with a "z", then "Tzalagi" means "Thunder Deity", with additional context that "Ζαλη" (Zalei) in Greek means "Storm". I believe it's suggested within the wiki that the syllable is pronounced with a "z" as well. It's as well context that the Tribes are culturally the "Red Dragon", & in the context can be easily traced to the Mayan "Quetzalcoatl" & "Kulkulcan" references, amongst others. Time a various, my sources prove arcane. Still, it's appropriate within the context to be forward appertaining the meaning of the tribe within a deifical context. Of what I have discerned of studies, nearly all the Tribes really prove context a Greek or Egyptian deifical reference within the context of the name of the tribe, or most times really direct a reflection of culture with significant hints context what proves a majority of the time a Greek Deity reference.
:)
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Re: Greetings out of the Storm
« Reply #7 on: November 04, 2014, 06:53:51 am »
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The primary syllable within the word, "Cherokee", is typically spelled as what would be actually translated with three letters, including a "t". Numerous spell it with "ts(vowel)" for that set of syllables. The word "Cherokee" as well means "The People", while it's context the word, "Asgaya Gigagei" as well means, "The People", with addition to meaning, "Thunder Deity", & as a result of the usage for the Tzalagi language, in addition to the optional usage the "s" being replaced with a "z", then "Tzalagi" means "Thunder Deity", with additional context that "Ζαλη" (Zalei) in Greek means "Storm". I believe it's suggested within the wiki that the syllable is pronounced with a "z" as well. It's as well context that the Tribes are culturally the "Red Dragon", & in the context can be easily traced to the Mayan "Quetzalcoatl" & "Kulkulcan" references, amongst others. Time a various, my sources prove arcane. Still, it's appropriate within the context to be forward appertaining the meaning of the tribe within a deifical context. Of what I have discerned of studies, nearly all the Tribes really prove context a Greek or Egyptian deifical reference within the context of the name of the tribe, or most times really direct a reflection of culture with significant hints context what proves a majority of the time a Greek Deity reference.
:)

 
One thing I've learned in my time studying things when it comes to finding connections between deities and other things is that just because something sounds or looks similar does not actually mean it's related. It's something that I actually have to be pretty aware of lest I start claiming I see Veles or any of the other deities I deal with in places they have no right belonging /in/.

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Re: Greetings out of the Storm
« Reply #8 on: November 04, 2014, 02:04:50 pm »
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Hello,

My name is Jason Hughes. I am half Tzalagi (Cherokee) & half Chah'ta (Choctaw). Within the Cherokee language, Tzalagi means "Thunder Deity". Within the Choctaw language, "Chah'ta" means "Great with Time". I have been a Greek Pagan my total life. I advocate the strictly Greek Deity references published context the Spheres of the Solar System for the Global context, as my Sociological, Cultural, Theological & Cosmological deifical responsibility. Culturally, tribals of the land "Ameliyanika" are "Red Dragon".
:)


"Deifical" is not a word. And none of your posts so far have made a single lick of sense.

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Re: Greetings out of the Storm
« Reply #9 on: November 04, 2014, 02:06:46 pm »
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The primary syllable within the word, "Cherokee", is typically spelled as what would be actually translated with three letters, including a "t". Numerous spell it with "ts(vowel)" for that set of syllables. The word "Cherokee" as well means "The People", while it's context the word, "Asgaya Gigagei" as well means, "The People", with addition to meaning, "Thunder Deity", & as a result of the usage for the Tzalagi language, in addition to the optional usage the "s" being replaced with a "z", then "Tzalagi" means "Thunder Deity", with additional context that "Ζαλη" (Zalei) in Greek means "Storm". I believe it's suggested within the wiki that the syllable is pronounced with a "z" as well. It's as well context that the Tribes are culturally the "Red Dragon", & in the context can be easily traced to the Mayan "Quetzalcoatl" & "Kulkulcan" references, amongst others. Time a various, my sources prove arcane. Still, it's appropriate within the context to be forward appertaining the meaning of the tribe within a deifical context. Of what I have discerned of studies, nearly all the Tribes really prove context a Greek or Egyptian deifical reference within the context of the name of the tribe, or most times really direct a reflection of culture with significant hints context what proves a majority of the time a Greek Deity reference.
:)

 
OK, but there's no thunder deity IN Tsalagi lore. It makes no sense whatsoever that we'd name ourselves after something that doesn't exist. Also why does a Greek or Egyptian reference have anything to do with a culture from the other side of the world that, until modern times, shows absolutely no evidence of contact with either one? I'm sorry, but I'm not buying it without a valid source.
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Re: Greetings out of the Storm
« Reply #10 on: November 04, 2014, 03:21:21 pm »
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Er, though I'm not Native American of any variety and therefore don't have as much experience as I'd need to to call total bs, I'd like to see a source about this. It makes no sense, and I also trust stephy and Viv. This doesn't look legitimate.

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« Reply #11 on: November 06, 2014, 09:48:09 am »
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The primary syllable within the word, "Cherokee", is typically spelled as what would be actually translated with three letters, including a "t". Numerous spell it with "ts(vowel)" for that set of syllables. The word "Cherokee" as well means "The People", while it's context the word, "Asgaya Gigagei" as well means, "The People", with addition to meaning, "Thunder Deity", & as a result of the usage for the Tzalagi language, in addition to the optional usage the "s" being replaced with a "z", then "Tzalagi" means "Thunder Deity", with additional context that "Ζαλη" (Zalei) in Greek means "Storm". I believe it's suggested within the wiki that the syllable is pronounced with a "z" as well. It's as well context that the Tribes are culturally the "Red Dragon", & in the context can be easily traced to the Mayan "Quetzalcoatl" & "Kulkulcan" references, amongst others. Time a various, my sources prove arcane. Still, it's appropriate within the context to be forward appertaining the meaning of the tribe within a deifical context. Of what I have discerned of studies, nearly all the Tribes really prove context a Greek or Egyptian deifical reference within the context of the name of the tribe, or most times really direct a reflection of culture with significant hints context what proves a majority of the time a Greek Deity reference.
:)

 
And your verifiable sources for all this misinformation can be found where?
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Re: Greetings out of the Storm
« Reply #12 on: November 07, 2014, 04:52:28 pm »
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OK, but there's no thunder deity IN Tsalagi lore. It makes no sense whatsoever that we'd name ourselves after something that doesn't exist. Also why does a Greek or Egyptian reference have anything to do with a culture from the other side of the world that, until modern times, shows absolutely no evidence of contact with either one? I'm sorry, but I'm not buying it without a valid source.

 

Tzalagi has a contextual Thunder Deity. Primarily, in the James Mooney, "Cherokee Myths & Religion", the Thunder Deity & his 2 sons contextually is described, with the appended reference context the other thunder deities whom cause mischief. It was actually apology context the fundament character of the Thunder Deities. Really, in the tribal context, the Thunder Deity is as typical as the Serpent Deity. Where the "Uktena" in Tzalagi is as valid a reference which proves context "Quetzalcoatl", the Thunder Deity is as valid a reference which proves context the Mayan "Ah Peku". Regardless the precarious circumstances which shroud the "James Mooney" literary source, still it's valid Tzalagi culture to suggest a Thunder Deity.
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Re: Greetings out of the Storm
« Reply #13 on: November 07, 2014, 04:53:20 pm »
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Tzalagi has a contextual Thunder Deity. Primarily, in the James Mooney, "Cherokee Myths & Religion", the Thunder Deity & his 2 sons contextually is described, with the appended reference context the other thunder deities whom cause mischief. It was actually apology context the fundament character of the Thunder Deities. Really, in the tribal context, the Thunder Deity is as typical as the Serpent Deity. Where the "Uktena" in Tzalagi is as valid a reference which proves context "Quetzalcoatl", the Thunder Deity is as valid a reference which proves context the Mayan "Ah Peku". Regardless the precarious circumstances which shroud the "James Mooney" literary source, still it's valid Tzalagi culture to suggest a Thunder Deity.
:)
And how many times has Mooney's work been discredited?
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Re: Greetings out of the Storm
« Reply #14 on: November 07, 2014, 06:03:45 pm »
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Regardless the precarious circumstances which shroud the "James Mooney" literary source, still it's valid Tzalagi culture to suggest a Thunder Deity.
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