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Author Topic: Pseudoscience Can science find a cure for autism?  (Read 8855 times)

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Re: Can science find a cure for autism?
« Reply #15 on: March 02, 2013, 03:27:07 pm »
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Appatrently Google translate doesn't handle Finnish dialects well. This is what it came up with: "Dumb? Haukuksää me? Kyl is törkeet menoo teil, tollee it comes to barking nuijiks of innocent ummikoi! Ikin I'd record field tullu, if I were you tiänny expenditure is tällast."

Wasn't that exciting?

 
Well, here's what Babylon comes up with - maybe we can mix the two

Let's go clubbing? Mua Haukuksää? Yes is törkeet menoo Teil, tollee uncanny that he barks loud nuijiks viattomii ummikoi! Ikin i OIS today the if Oisin tiänny et expenditure is tällast.

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Re: Can science find a cure for autism?
« Reply #16 on: March 02, 2013, 03:32:11 pm »
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Appatrently Google translate doesn't handle Finnish dialects well. This is what it came up with: "Dumb? Haukuksää me? Kyl is törkeet menoo teil, tollee it comes to barking nuijiks of innocent ummikoi! Ikin I'd record field tullu, if I were you tiänny expenditure is tällast."

Wasn't that exciting?

 
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Well, here's what Babylon comes up with - maybe we can mix the two

Let's go clubbing? Mua Haukuksää? Yes is törkeet menoo Teil, tollee uncanny that he barks loud nuijiks viattomii ummikoi! Ikin i OIS today the if Oisin tiänny et expenditure is tällast.

 
LOL! That was great. :D:

Perhaps a bit more proper written language could be translated easier?

"Nuija? Nimitteletkö sinä minua? Teidän tapanne ovat kieltämättä törkeitä, ryhtyä nyt tuolla tavalla nimittelemään nuijiksi viattomia kielitaidottomia! En olisi koskaan tullut tänne, jos olisin tiennyt, että teillä kohdellaan vieraita tällä tavalla."

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Re: Can science find a cure for autism?
« Reply #17 on: March 02, 2013, 03:42:14 pm »
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LOL! That was great. :D:

I figured you'd find that amusing.

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Perhaps a bit more proper written language could be translated easier?

"Nuija? Nimitteletkö sinä minua? Teidän tapanne ovat kieltämättä törkeitä, ryhtyä nyt tuolla tavalla nimittelemään nuijiksi viattomia kielitaidottomia! En olisi koskaan tullut tänne, jos olisin tiennyt, että teillä kohdellaan vieraita tällä tavalla."

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This must have made it easier for Google Translate. This time, I get:

"Dumb? You name calling me? Your way are undeniably serious, now, to take that way by calling hoes innocent speak the language! I would never have come here if I had known that you are treated in this way guests"
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Re: Can science find a cure for autism?
« Reply #18 on: March 02, 2013, 03:47:31 pm »
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I heard a psychologist on the radio today.  She has won great acclaim and many awards for her discovery that autism is a genetic disorder.  With the supreme confidence of some one who knows much but understands nothing, she told listeners that any cure for autism, if it is possible at all, is a long, long, long way off.  She also informed listeners that her discovery that autism is a genetic disorder was a great relief to her, for it meant that parents need no longer blame themselves or their parenting skills as the source of their autistic child’s affliction.


Actually, there is a cure for autism.  I have cured autism.  My discovery of a cure for autism was a by-product of going BEYOND science in my attempt to develop an understanding of the nature of existence.


So, while identifying autism as a genetic condition relieves parents of responsibility for the disease in the first place, they could do something about it nonetheless.  Their bad behaviour may not cause the condition, but it does maintain it.  And further, if parents sorted themselves out, if they behaved well, they could actually help their children, they could actually cure them.  So, children may be born with autism, but none of them need grow up autistic.

Of course, this scientist, in common with all other scientists, talks with a confidence proportional to her LACK of understanding, and gets arse-licked for her troubles, whereas individuals like pantodragon, whose confidence IS in proportion to her understanding, and based on practical results, is made a target of every Tom, Dick and Harry who has not the wit to distinguish between real gold and fool’s gold.  And that’s just about everyone in every forum I’ve ever visited - and elsewhere besides.
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Re: Can science find a cure for autism?
« Reply #19 on: March 02, 2013, 03:52:24 pm »
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"Dumb? You name calling me? Your way are undeniably serious, now, to take that way by calling hoes innocent speak the language! I would never have come here if I had known that you are treated in this way guests"

 
Closer, definitely! Translating from or to Finnish via automatic translators is very difficult, due to the amount of grammatical cases and more exceptions than rules when it comes to bending words we have.

What I said was:

"Idiot? (The word for club/bat is also one you can use as meaning 'idiot'.) Are you calling me names? Your ways are quite rude, judging by how you start calling innocent monolinguals idiots! I would never had come here, had I known you treat strangers (or visitors, it's the same word in Finnish) like this!"

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Re: Can science find a cure for autism?
« Reply #20 on: March 02, 2013, 04:02:12 pm »
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Closer, definitely! Translating from or to Finnish via automatic translators is very difficult, due to the amount of grammatical cases and more exceptions than rules when it comes to bending words we have.

What I said was:

"Idiot? (The word for club/bat is also one you can use as meaning 'idiot'.) Are you calling me names? Your ways are quite rude, judging by how you start calling innocent monolinguals idiots! I would never had come here, had I known you treat strangers (or visitors, it's the same word in Finnish) like this!"

 
That's pretty much what Babylon came up with - though the syntax was a bit off and the 'strangers/visitors' came up as 'guests'

Still, the same idea in any language - and for your edification, here it is in Gaeilge (Irish)

Leathcheann? An bhfuil tú ag tabhairt dom ainmneacha? Tá do bhealaí go leor drochbhéasach, rialú le conas a dtosaíonn tú ag glaoch cainteoirí neamhchiontach amháin dúr! Ba mhaith liom riamh go raibh teacht anseo, bhí ar eolas agam tú ag déileáil strainséirí mar seo!

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Re: Can science find a cure for autism?
« Reply #21 on: March 02, 2013, 04:30:46 pm »
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the 'strangers/visitors' came up as 'guests'


That's a right translation, too.

Quote from: Rhyshadow;99293
Still, the same idea in any language - and for your edification, here it is in Gaeilge (Irish)

Leathcheann? An bhfuil tú ag tabhairt dom ainmneacha? Tá do bhealaí go leor drochbhéasach, rialú le conas a dtosaíonn tú ag glaoch cainteoirí neamhchiontach amháin dúr! Ba mhaith liom riamh go raibh teacht anseo, bhí ar eolas agam tú ag déileáil strainséirí mar seo!

 
That would really need to be heard, knowing I know nithing about the proper pronunciation. :) To me, looks... something softly spoken.

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Re: Can science find a cure for autism?
« Reply #22 on: March 02, 2013, 04:39:45 pm »
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That's a right translation, too.


 
That would really need to be heard, knowing I know nithing about the proper pronunciation. :) To me, looks... something softly spoken.

 
It is, Irish-Gaelic is a very musical language

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Re: Can science find a cure for autism?
« Reply #23 on: March 02, 2013, 04:42:14 pm »
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I heard a psychologist on the radio today.  She has won great acclaim and many awards for her discovery that autism is a genetic disorder.  With the supreme confidence of some one who knows much but understands nothing, she told listeners that any cure for autism, if it is possible at all, is a long, long, long way off.  She also informed listeners that her discovery that autism is a genetic disorder was a great relief to her, for it meant that parents need no longer blame themselves or their parenting skills as the source of their autistic child’s affliction.


Actually, there is a cure for autism.  I have cured autism.  My discovery of a cure for autism was a by-product of going BEYOND science in my attempt to develop an understanding of the nature of existence.


So, while identifying autism as a genetic condition relieves parents of responsibility for the disease in the first place, they could do something about it nonetheless.  Their bad behaviour may not cause the condition, but it does maintain it.  And further, if parents sorted themselves out, if they behaved well, they could actually help their children, they could actually cure them.  So, children may be born with autism, but none of them need grow up autistic.

Of course, this scientist, in common with all other scientists, talks with a confidence proportional to her LACK of understanding, and gets arse-licked for her troubles, whereas individuals like pantodragon, whose confidence IS in proportion to her understanding, and based on practical results, is made a target of every Tom, Dick and Harry who has not the wit to distinguish between real gold and fool’s gold.  And that’s just about everyone in every forum I’ve ever visited - and elsewhere besides.

 
Erm, What the actual ?  i know a load of people on the Autistic spectrum, as well as parents of autistic children, and i have yet to meet anyone who considers Autism an affliction. Many consider it a minor disadvantage maybe, but definitely not an affliction.

However, o knowledgeable one, share with us this knowledge that you have attained with no qualification, evidence or seemingly any understanding at all of autism. after all, keeping all the knowledge to yourself is like hoarding POWER.

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Re: Can science find a cure for autism?
« Reply #24 on: March 02, 2013, 08:17:39 pm »
OK buddy, you've been on 'ignore' since you arrived because I don't have the time or inclination to deal with trolly little nothings, but I am an autistic activist and you have just earned yourself an arse kicking.

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I heard a psychologist on the radio today.


Name please.

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She has won great acclaim and many awards for her discovery that autism is a genetic disorder.


This is hardly news.  That autism is genetic - or at least has a genetic component - is acknowleged by nearly everyone except the mercury mommies conspiracy theorists and a few other far-out nutjobs.

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With the supreme confidence of some one who knows much but understands nothing


Like your own 'supreme confidence?'.  No, sorry - you neither know nor understand the first speck of dust of what you're talking about.

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she told listeners that any cure for autism, if it is possible at all, is a long, long, long way off.


Yes.  It's widely understood that a 'cure' is a long way off if possible at all, and most of the promising research towards one involves single genes or mice, and as such is not necessarily applicable to humans at all.

Newsflash: a lot of autistic people do not want to be cured.  This includes those who ableist society would deem "low functioning".  Even for those - like me - who do find their autism disabling, it's also a way of being, a part of who we are.  We need to be at the very least consulted in all this 'cure' talk.  

If society were more accomodating of the special needs that come with autism, a lot of the autistic symptoms we live with could be reduced.  Creating quiet spaces in shopping centres and 'plain english' versions of government forms would be a much more practical and meaningful effort than mucking around with white mice.

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Actually, there is a cure for autism.  I have cured autism.  My discovery of a cure for autism was a by-product of going BEYOND science in my attempt to develop an understanding of the nature of existence.


I'm sorry, do you actually expect me to bother formulating a sensible reply to this?  If you want to be taken seriously, try sensible adult discourse.  It does wonders.

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So, while identifying autism as a genetic condition relieves parents of responsibility for the disease in the first place, they could do something about it nonetheless.  Their bad behaviour may not cause the condition, but it does maintain it.  And further, if parents sorted themselves out, if they behaved well, they could actually help their children, they could actually cure them.  So, children may be born with autism, but none of them need grow up autistic.


1.  You're assuming growing up autistic is a bad thing.  This is a very ableist view and suggests you've never actually talked to an autistic person, much less "cured autism".

2.  Autism is not a disease.  If you're not prepared to take a few moments to get the terminology right, it doesn't bode well for this conversation.

3.  I agree some parental actions can exacerbate autistic symptoms - I grew up in a house where the radio went constantly, and as a result of that was in constant pain from sensory overload.  But that isn't "bad behaviour" - it's not knowing about autism and how autism affects the individual.  

The way one learns about autism is by talking to autistic people.  We can explain what sensory overload feels like and what causes it.  We can explain how our motor skills work.  We can explain the feeling that eye contact gives us.  But if you prefer to think of us as a theoretical concept rather than actual people right here and ready to give you a piece of our minds, you won't learn.

Also, why are you acting as though autism only affects children?  I'm in my 30s, and I know plenty of other autistic adults in our 30s, 40s, 50s, and beyond.  If it were caused by parenting issues, you don't think we might just have moved past that decades after we left home?

4.  What do you have against my parents?  What do you know of how they raised me and what our home life 30 years ago was like?  Would you like me Mum's email address so you can explain to her personally how her parenting caused her beautiful, successful, sane, solvent, loving daughter to grow up autistic, and that's somehow a bad thing??  Because I'm sure that'd go down really well.  Especially since she's also autistic.  Strange how autism runs in families, almost like it's... genetic.

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individuals like pantodragon, whose confidence IS in proportion to her understanding


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I pity you.  I really do.

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Re: Can science find a cure for autism?
« Reply #25 on: March 02, 2013, 11:30:51 pm »
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... individuals like pantodragon, whose confidence IS in inverse proportion to her understanding....

Fixed that for ya.

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Re: Can science find a cure for autism?
« Reply #26 on: March 03, 2013, 02:58:02 am »
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OK buddy, you've been on 'ignore' since you arrived because I don't have the time or inclination to deal with trolly little nothings, but I am an autistic activist and you have just earned yourself an arse kicking.


You are awesome.

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Re: Can science find a cure for autism?
« Reply #27 on: March 03, 2013, 03:09:52 am »
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OK buddy, you've been on 'ignore' since you arrived because I don't have the time or inclination to deal with trolly little nothings, but I am an autistic activist and you have just earned yourself an arse kicking.



Name please.



This is hardly news.  That autism is genetic - or at least has a genetic component - is acknowleged by nearly everyone except the mercury mommies conspiracy theorists and a few other far-out nutjobs.



Like your own 'supreme confidence?'.  No, sorry - you neither know nor understand the first speck of dust of what you're talking about.



Yes.  It's widely understood that a 'cure' is a long way off if possible at all, and most of the promising research towards one involves single genes or mice, and as such is not necessarily applicable to humans at all.

Newsflash: a lot of autistic people do not want to be cured.  This includes those who ableist society would deem "low functioning".  Even for those - like me - who do find their autism disabling, it's also a way of being, a part of who we are.  We need to be at the very least consulted in all this 'cure' talk.  

If society were more accomodating of the special needs that come with autism, a lot of the autistic symptoms we live with could be reduced.  Creating quiet spaces in shopping centres and 'plain english' versions of government forms would be a much more practical and meaningful effort than mucking around with white mice.



I'm sorry, do you actually expect me to bother formulating a sensible reply to this?  If you want to be taken seriously, try sensible adult discourse.  It does wonders.



1.  You're assuming growing up autistic is a bad thing.  This is a very ableist view and suggests you've never actually talked to an autistic person, much less "cured autism".

2.  Autism is not a disease.  If you're not prepared to take a few moments to get the terminology right, it doesn't bode well for this conversation.

3.  I agree some parental actions can exacerbate autistic symptoms - I grew up in a house where the radio went constantly, and as a result of that was in constant pain from sensory overload.  But that isn't "bad behaviour" - it's not knowing about autism and how autism affects the individual.  

The way one learns about autism is by talking to autistic people.  We can explain what sensory overload feels like and what causes it.  We can explain how our motor skills work.  We can explain the feeling that eye contact gives us.  But if you prefer to think of us as a theoretical concept rather than actual people right here and ready to give you a piece of our minds, you won't learn.

Also, why are you acting as though autism only affects children?  I'm in my 30s, and I know plenty of other autistic adults in our 30s, 40s, 50s, and beyond.  If it were caused by parenting issues, you don't think we might just have moved past that decades after we left home?

4.  What do you have against my parents?  What do you know of how they raised me and what our home life 30 years ago was like?  Would you like me Mum's email address so you can explain to her personally how her parenting caused her beautiful, successful, sane, solvent, loving daughter to grow up autistic, and that's somehow a bad thing??  Because I'm sure that'd go down really well.  Especially since she's also autistic.  Strange how autism runs in families, almost like it's... genetic.



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I pity you.  I really do.

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Re: Can science find a cure for autism?
« Reply #28 on: March 03, 2013, 03:35:30 am »
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My discovery of a cure for autism was a by-product of going BEYOND science in my attempt to develop an understanding of the nature of existence.

 
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Re: Can science find a cure for autism?
« Reply #29 on: March 03, 2013, 03:40:48 am »
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Waitwaitwait.

You know the TRUTH and can cure this and all you're doing is being smug on message boards?

You could be rich beyond dreams of avarice and a miracle worker beyond compare and all you want to do is get treated like a troll on message boards?

Dude.  Priorities - get some.  Or stop talking out your ass before someone corks it with a baseball bat.

 
For the record: I research autism for a living. If Pantodragon has no inclination to actually bother doing anything with this knowledge other than playing someone interesting on message boards, I'll be happy to take the information, research it, and watch my career get launched into space.

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