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So, I 'made' a Calendar
« on: January 03, 2020, 06:45:00 pm »
I'm sure that other people have had this experience, especially when they start to actively worship, but I find it quite difficult to maintain a proper ritual schedule. It is easy to forget to organise anything, or to get distracted by work and/or family commitments. This is especially true if the ritual requires some preparation time. In order to rectify this, I have adapted a version of the Nahua Xiuhpohualli into a document that I could use to manage my ritual schedule. I wanted to share my experience creating it with everyone here, as I know that calendrics are important for many polytheistic religions, and others may be interested. It is also very much a work in progress, and so I wouldn't mind getting some advice/feedback if anyone here has done it before.

Creating the format was actually quite easy. Each Nahua month is only 20 days long (plus 5 extra days in their own special month), and there are 18 months. Put that in a grid on a page, give a brief historical description of the festivities, pair it with some art and its done. Eventually, I want to create my own art for the document, but that is not essential at the moment. The problem started when I tried to find out when festivals are actually supposed to happen. The two primary sources, Duran and Sahagun, are often not clear when certain festivals were actually supposed to take place, and neither agrees with the other. It is not even clear when the Nahua year was supposed to begin. Duran claimed March 1st, while Sahagun thought it was February 2nd. According to Rafael Tena, they were both wrong. It was either 13th Feb for the Julian Calendar, or 23rd Feb for the Gregorian Calendar. And I'm not sure which Sahagun and Duran used! Then I had to convert dates of festivals into a modern date, which was difficult. If Duran says a festival was performed on 5th July, do I do it on that date, or do I adjust for his incorrect placing of the New Year? I decided on this option, partly in order to sidestep the Georgian/Julian Calendar problem. I figure, if it a festival is a certain number of days from Duran's New Year, I'll put it the same number of days from the actual New Year.

I also had to decide what to do about the leap-year. Although a few sources deny its existence in Mesoamerica, both Sahagun and Duran confirmed that Nahua's acknowledged it, so I decided to follow their guidance and add it to the 5 extra days at the end of the year. Furthermore, I don't know if this leap-year is supposed to happen at the same time as the European leap year, or in another year (1 in 4 chance), but I decided that they should be at the same time. I figure that is the most logical and workable solution.

The next problem was trying to adapt Nahua festivals into something I can actually perform. Most of the festivals described in Sahagun were multi-stage affairs which involved dozens, if not hundreds of people, days of organisation, and vast amounts of resources, none of which I have. So, I tried to distil some key thematic elements into something I can achieve. This is a big challenge, and to be honest I'm still working on it. At the moment, all I have is a few notes. My idea is that by trying to follow this ritual schedule and performing the ceremonies will give me a better insight into how each should be run. I will also start to include information from secondary sources as I come across it, which will hopefully allow me to refine and structure each ceremony better. From this, I hope to develop a detailed program which others might be able to follow.

Hope everyone found this interesting.

Happy New Year!

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Re: So, I 'made' a Calendar
« Reply #1 on: January 05, 2020, 04:35:35 pm »
I found this to be a very interesting read. I've definitely had a similar experience to yours beginning my journey on a Sumerian path, finding that it would be easier to plan for and keep to my ritual schedule if I was following a religious as well as a civil calendar. I designed a Mesopotamian calendar, which has since gone through a number of revisions.

The format is of a lunar calendar similar to the Celtic one, with 12 or 13 months in a year and 29 or 30 days in a month. The first of the month is the day immediately after the new moon, with the consideration that a 'day' lasts from sunset to sunset; the vernal equinox is always in the first month, and New Year is accordingly the day after the last new moon before the vernal equinox. The festivals are also what give me a problem; different cities in Sumer kept to entirely different calendars. My approach was eventually based around the calendar of Nippur, the holy city and centre of learning for the region.

The next problem was trying to adapt Nahua festivals into something I can actually perform. Most of the festivals described in Sahagun were multi-stage affairs which involved dozens, if not hundreds of people, days of organisation, and vast amounts of resources, none of which I have. So, I tried to distil some key thematic elements into something I can achieve. This is a big challenge, and to be honest I'm still working on it. At the moment, all I have is a few notes. My idea is that by trying to follow this ritual schedule and performing the ceremonies will give me a better insight into how each should be run. I will also start to include information from secondary sources as I come across it, which will hopefully allow me to refine and structure each ceremony better. From this, I hope to develop a detailed program which others might be able to follow.

If you have any pointers on this I'd love to hear more. Sumerian and Babylonian festivals involved up to twelve days of civic and religious celebration and much of the information we have is designed for a civic religion, not for individuals working on a small scale. It can be overwhelming to conceive of, and I have a hard time knowing where to start distilling it down - I have a few loose ideas, but not nearly as much concrete information as I'd like.

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Re: So, I 'made' a Calendar
« Reply #2 on: January 06, 2020, 11:29:28 pm »

If you have any pointers on this I'd love to hear more. Sumerian and Babylonian festivals involved up to twelve days of civic and religious celebration and much of the information we have is designed for a civic religion, not for individuals working on a small scale. It can be overwhelming to conceive of, and I have a hard time knowing where to start distilling it down - I have a few loose ideas, but not nearly as much concrete information as I'd like.

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I have exactly the same problem. Most of the information available about pre-Hispanic Nahua rituals are their civic ceremonies, which are obviously beyond my capacity. To counter this, I have two approaches. The first is to focus on ritual space, i.e. the shrine and or altar space. I don't know what it is like in Mesopotamian Religion, but a lot of Aztec rituals involved the decoration of temples, usually with flowers, maize tassels, reeds, and cut paper figures. I believe that this could be replicated on a smaller scale in a home alter. Quite a few rituals take place in a field, which can also be done. In the modern age of course, a garden may have to suffice. For me, this would mean casting incense to the four cardinal directions, burying offerings in fields, and/or attaching ritual objects to trees.

The second place I'd look is to anthropology. There are still some Nahua communities around and their rituals are obviously better suited to smaller scale worship that big Aztec festivals. However, I'm not sure that this is a viable option for you. It might be worth delving into rural archaeology and see what has turned up. I'd pay special attention to ancient fields, and see if any evidence of offerings/field altars has turned up.

Of course, I'm yet to formally apply my calendar, so I'll be able to give more insight in a few months when I have more practical experience. One is coming up in just a few days as it happens. I suspect that preparation might have an important role to play.

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Re: So, I 'made' a Calendar
« Reply #3 on: January 09, 2020, 04:18:50 pm »
I have exactly the same problem. Most of the information available about pre-Hispanic Nahua rituals are their civic ceremonies, which are obviously beyond my capacity. To counter this, I have two approaches. The first is to focus on ritual space, i.e. the shrine and or altar space. I don't know what it is like in Mesopotamian Religion, but a lot of Aztec rituals involved the decoration of temples, usually with flowers, maize tassels, reeds, and cut paper figures. I believe that this could be replicated on a smaller scale in a home alter. Quite a few rituals take place in a field, which can also be done. In the modern age of course, a garden may have to suffice. For me, this would mean casting incense to the four cardinal directions, burying offerings in fields, and/or attaching ritual objects to trees.

The second place I'd look is to anthropology. There are still some Nahua communities around and their rituals are obviously better suited to smaller scale worship that big Aztec festivals. However, I'm not sure that this is a viable option for you. It might be worth delving into rural archaeology and see what has turned up. I'd pay special attention to ancient fields, and see if any evidence of offerings/field altars has turned up.

Of course, I'm yet to formally apply my calendar, so I'll be able to give more insight in a few months when I have more practical experience. One is coming up in just a few days as it happens. I suspect that preparation might have an important role to play.

Ok, so lesson leaned: Make a checklist of things needed for the ritual! It should contain a list of things to do before the ceremony, offerings needed, as well as any ritual activities that need to be performed. Then you can tick them off as you go. Consequently, my next project will be writing one. Then next month I'll see how it goes.

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Re: So, I 'made' a Calendar
« Reply #4 on: January 11, 2020, 07:48:54 pm »
Of course, I'm yet to formally apply my calendar, so I'll be able to give more insight in a few months when I have more practical experience. One is coming up in just a few days as it happens. I suspect that preparation might have an important role to play.

I have tremendous sympathy for all of this; there's a reason that various people know that the easiest way to get me stomping and swearing is to ask me how my calendar work is doing.
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Re: So, I 'made' a Calendar
« Reply #5 on: February 06, 2020, 06:15:30 pm »
I have tremendous sympathy for all of this; there's a reason that various people know that the easiest way to get me stomping and swearing is to ask me how my calendar work is doing.

Well I have made a discovery that might help then. Making a checklist does indeed help. I have used one twice (for two different rituals), and have found that it does help provide structure to a session of worship. However, I was using a generic document, and I think that creating a specific sheet for each ritual would be better. I could include more detail that way. When it comes time for the ritual, I can just print the right page off and follow the instructions.

In theory, I could create an entirely digital version, though I haven't really explored that possibility yet. Which makes me wonder if it would be possible to create a ritual app? Not that I have the skills for such a task. I'm sure that something like this must have been done for wicca or a similar religion, though I'd expect it to be relatively descriptive (if that makes sense). But a template app that lets you create your own rituals in it, has anyone done that?

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Re: So, I 'made' a Calendar
« Reply #6 on: February 06, 2020, 08:20:43 pm »
In theory, I could create an entirely digital version, though I haven't really explored that possibility yet. Which makes me wonder if it would be possible to create a ritual app? Not that I have the skills for such a task. I'm sure that something like this must have been done for wicca or a similar religion, though I'd expect it to be relatively descriptive (if that makes sense). But a template app that lets you create your own rituals in it, has anyone done that?

What I really wish I could find is a calendar scheduling program that lets one base things off moonphase or day or the moon.  If you (or for that matter anyone else) finds something like that I'd love to see it....
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Re: So, I 'made' a Calendar
« Reply #7 on: February 07, 2020, 04:56:51 am »
What I really wish I could find is a calendar scheduling program that lets one base things off moonphase or day or the moon.  If you (or for that matter anyone else) finds something like that I'd love to see it....

The moon, that's a hard one. Haven't seen anything like that around, so I'm not sure I can be of much help here. If I see anything I'll be sure to mention it here.

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