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Wheel of the Year - hemisphere differences
« on: October 22, 2013, 07:14:45 pm »
I live in the Southern Hemisphere and do the Wheel of the Year by the seasons here, as that is what makes sense to me. It raises some interesting questions. As the Northern Hemisphere approaches Samhain, the Southern approaches Beltane.

So if the Veil is thin at Samhain and that's when the ancestors can easily visit...

Is that tied to the date or the season?
Is the Veil the same everywhere?


Lets talk about differences between hemispheres.

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Re: Wheel of the Year - hemisphere differences
« Reply #1 on: October 23, 2013, 08:17:16 am »
Quote from: Emerald;126485
So if the Veil is thin at Samhain and that's when the ancestors can easily visit...

Is that tied to the date or the season?
Is the Veil the same everywhere?

It seems to be tied to the season. The Veil does not appear to be the same everywhere. Even if you ignore the hemisphere differences, there are various locations around the world when the Veil seems "thinner" either all the time or at specific dates. For example, at some major battlefields, it seems to be easier to contact the spirits of those involved on the annerversary of the battle.
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Re: Wheel of the Year - hemisphere differences
« Reply #2 on: October 23, 2013, 12:30:05 pm »
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...For example, at some major battlefields, it seems to be easier to contact the spirits of those involved on the annerversary of the battle.

This.  I live in Southeastern PA and am surrounded by battlefields from the American Revolutionary War, and Gettysburg is a 2 hour drive from me (site of a major battle from the American Civil War).  I've learned through experience that camping near a battlefield can be a really bad idea unless you're there specifically for a certain type of experience.
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Re: Wheel of the Year - hemisphere differences
« Reply #3 on: October 23, 2013, 09:24:39 pm »
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Is that tied to the date or the season?
Is the Veil the same everywhere?

 
It's always been my understanding that the veil thins at *both* Samhain and Beltane, so it doesn't matter which one you're celebrating.
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Re: Wheel of the Year - hemisphere differences
« Reply #4 on: October 24, 2013, 08:13:55 am »
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I've learned through experience that camping near a battlefield can be a really bad idea unless you're there specifically for a certain type of experience.

I can imagine -- especially if one is sensitive to other world stuff.
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Re: Wheel of the Year - hemisphere differences
« Reply #5 on: October 24, 2013, 09:05:52 am »
Quote from: Emerald;126485
So if the Veil is thin at Samhain and that's when the ancestors can easily visit...

Is that tied to the date or the season?
Is the Veil the same everywhere?


Lets talk about differences between hemispheres.


I'm in northernish Australia, and when I followed the wheel (I don't anymore) I used the southern hemisphere version, with a bit of massaging here and there to try to make it fit with the seasons better.  But eventually I had to admit that the wheel was developed to reference four distinct and roughly equal seasons when particular things happened in both the natural and human world, and we just don't have that system here.  There comes a point where pretending we do is disrespectful to both the actual world around me and to the wheel itself.
 
In terms of specific ancestors, I've always found dates that are personally meaningful - birthdays and deathdays, mainly - carry the most weight in terms of visits and making contact.  That personal significance seems to act like a little zipper in the veil.

More generally, I confess I just double-dip and do scrying and contact work on both the actual All Hallows Eve (I feel really weird about calling it "Halloween", because I have some resistance-to-the-encroachment-of-US-culture baggage) and the revised southern hemisphere date.  The revised date might make more sense in terms of its place in the season and the sequence of holidays around it, but the actual date has so much significance tied to it, not just in terms of actual tradition and history but pop culture and modern society and what everyone else around the place is doing and thinking about.  That has to mean something, even if it is 34 (93F) in the shade and the start of cyclone season.

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