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Author Topic: Why did Vikings have 'Allah' embroidered into funeral clothes?  (Read 1350 times)

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Why did Vikings have 'Allah' embroidered into funeral clothes?
« on: October 12, 2017, 06:40:11 pm »
Researchers in Sweden have found Arabic characters woven into burial costumes from Viking boat graves.

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Re: Why did Vikings have 'Allah' embroidered into funeral clothes?
« Reply #2 on: October 12, 2017, 06:54:16 pm »
Researchers in Sweden have found Arabic characters woven into burial costumes from Viking boat graves.

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Related: this Nova program on the Viking Ulfbehrt sword (warning: long video is long):



The steel for the swords may have come from the Middle East via a trade route through Russia.

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Re: Why did Vikings have 'Allah' embroidered into funeral clothes?
« Reply #3 on: October 13, 2017, 12:51:58 am »
Researchers in Sweden have found Arabic characters woven into burial costumes from Viking boat graves.

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Interesting! Though, I hate to say it, but the first answer that comes to my mind is that it's for the same reason modern humans have tattoos of Kanji they don't know how to read ( or Asian people often do the same thing in reverse).   

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Re: Why did Vikings have 'Allah' embroidered into funeral clothes?
« Reply #4 on: October 13, 2017, 08:06:24 pm »
Interesting! Though, I hate to say it, but the first answer that comes to my mind is that it's for the same reason modern humans have tattoos of Kanji they don't know how to read ( or Asian people often do the same thing in reverse).

Yeah, I think this is more likely than Vikings converting to Islam. Especially considering how Islam was able to put down roots in other parts of the world; if there had been any significant number of Viking converts, I suspect they would still be around.

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Re: Why did Vikings have 'Allah' embroidered into funeral clothes?
« Reply #5 on: October 14, 2017, 10:26:15 am »
Yeah, I think this is more likely than Vikings converting to Islam. Especially considering how Islam was able to put down roots in other parts of the world; if there had been any significant number of Viking converts, I suspect they would still be around.
They were merchants and travelled long distances. This is like when they find medieval coins and artifacts from thousands of kilometers away buried somewhere. More common that we imagine.

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Re: Why did Vikings have 'Allah' embroidered into funeral clothes?
« Reply #6 on: October 14, 2017, 02:19:27 pm »
Cool, I'm just imagening Vikings adoring muslimic artwork on their travels...would make interesting stuff for a historic novel ;)

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Re: Why did Vikings have 'Allah' embroidered into funeral clothes?
« Reply #7 on: October 15, 2017, 01:59:37 am »
Researchers in Sweden have found Arabic characters woven into burial costumes from Viking boat graves.

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Wow. I am very interested in History and anthropology, and this is quite amazing. Makes me think of Ahmad ibn Fadlan and his travels among the Volga Vikings.
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Re: Why did Vikings have 'Allah' embroidered into funeral clothes?
« Reply #8 on: October 15, 2017, 05:31:39 pm »
They were merchants and travelled long distances. This is like when they find medieval coins and artifacts from thousands of kilometers away buried somewhere. More common that we imagine.
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Yep! There have been many Viking silver hoards found with Middle Eastern coins in them too. They got a lot of silver from their trading in the east.

Not surprising to me at all! Could be a personal convert but probably simply a case of 'this looks nice- I'll wear it!'  ;D
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Re: Why did Vikings have 'Allah' embroidered into funeral clothes?
« Reply #9 on: October 16, 2017, 03:25:45 pm »
Researchers in Sweden have found Arabic characters woven into burial costumes from Viking boat graves.

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THough of course another scholar disputes (link is to the middle of a long tweet thread):

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Re: Why did Vikings have 'Allah' embroidered into funeral clothes?
« Reply #10 on: December 23, 2017, 08:52:50 pm »
Researchers in Sweden have found Arabic characters woven into burial costumes from Viking boat graves.

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I don't believe in there study, if you look at the original cloth, the researchers edited it on their copy of the cloth.  They're symbols plus the original had a swastika on it which was not a symbol of Arab culture.  Also they added some symbols to the cloth in their copy the original was missing the symbols that would need to spell Allah.  However, it is possible and even likely that Arab symbols will appear every now and then, Rus vikings mainly but some others of course made trading trips and raids in the middle east. 
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