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« on: January 29, 2012, 03:15:13 pm »
my depression in a nutshell:
hardly eats

wears sweats & tanks

goes out once every 2 weeks

got rid of most of my clothes & other
stuff

i don't have family or am close to my extended family

i don't have friends

i am isolated

previous interests don't thrill me

can't speak to anyone including a therapist

can't see a dr

my problems are worse when my stressor is around

can't express myself

i have extreme anxiety & panic attacks on top of all this

i hate the way i look nowadays

i have other minor health issues that can't be taken care of

i don't know where to turn anymore.  I thought i'd be able to deal with the issues at hand but i just can't anymore.  just can't.
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Re: depression
« Reply #1 on: April 03, 2012, 01:43:43 am »
Quote from: ancientgoddess;40794
my depression in a nutshell:
hardly eats

wears sweats & tanks

goes out once every 2 weeks

got rid of most of my clothes & other
stuff

i don't have family or am close to my extended family

i don't have friends

i am isolated

previous interests don't thrill me

can't speak to anyone including a therapist

can't see a dr

my problems are worse when my stressor is around

can't express myself

i have extreme anxiety & panic attacks on top of all this

i hate the way i look nowadays

i have other minor health issues that can't be taken care of

i don't know where to turn anymore.  I thought i'd be able to deal with the issues at hand but i just can't anymore.  just can't.

 Excellent buddy,..
I am here to this forum and i agree with your depression reviews.But i think when we feel in depression than we should be going to the long drive.It is the best solution to removing the depression.
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Re: depression
« Reply #2 on: April 03, 2012, 02:53:44 am »
Quote from: ancientgoddess;40794
my depression in a nutshell:
hardly eats

wears sweats & tanks

goes out once every 2 weeks

got rid of most of my clothes & other
stuff

i don't have family or am close to my extended family

i don't have friends

i am isolated

previous interests don't thrill me

can't speak to anyone including a therapist

can't see a dr

my problems are worse when my stressor is around

can't express myself

i have extreme anxiety & panic attacks on top of all this

i hate the way i look nowadays

i have other minor health issues that can't be taken care of

i don't know where to turn anymore.  I thought i'd be able to deal with the issues at hand but i just can't anymore.  just can't.

Sounds like you're pretty deep into depression.  

Can I ask, why can't you talk to your therapist?  Does he/she not understand?  Can't afford one?  Or something else?  If you can't talk to one, find a different therapist, and there might be options within your community to see one that might be more affordable.  It takes a lot of courage to say exactly what you may feel in therapy, and if you don't feel like you're allowed to, or safe to be able to, get a different one.

Can you try to force yourself to get at least some exercise?  I know it may take a lot, but literally taking the first step, even if it's for a brief walk, is often the hardest part.
30 minutes can make a quite a difference, and it doesn't have to be strenuous.  Although I have noticed it does help me if I rage-out exercising.

I know isolation might be preferable, but it is probably making things worse.  I know I will tend to isolate myself and it may seem easier, but it's actually worse in the long run.

Is there a way to limit your contact to this person that stresses you?  Can you muster the energy to tell this person to back off?  

What are you actually eating when you are able to eat?  If it's at all junky type food, believe me, try to cut it out if you can.

The reason I bring these things up is they are all things that I have noticed help me personally when my depression is acting up.  You aren't alone in these feelings.  A lot of people can very much identify with everything you've said, and there are others on this board struggling with this horrid disease.  

Please don't view anything I said as something that's judgmental, that's not the intent.  And you're allowed to feel however you damn well please about anything.  I hope you can find some relief from this.  Hang in there, you aren't as alone as it may seem.
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Re: depression
« Reply #3 on: April 03, 2012, 08:27:38 am »
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can't speak to anyone including a therapist

can't see a dr

 
You're going to have to, though, if you're going to beat this.  There are a lot of treatment options available, even (in many cases - depending on where you live) for those without insurance. ❤

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Re: depression
« Reply #4 on: April 03, 2012, 11:25:56 am »
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Excellent buddy,..
I am here to this forum and i agree with your depression reviews.But i think when we feel in depression than we should be going to the long drive.It is the best solution to removing the depression.


Ummmm...

Could you explain what you mean here?  Feeling depressed is completely different than having depression.
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Re: depression
« Reply #5 on: September 13, 2012, 08:31:34 am »
Quote from: ancientgoddess;40794
my depression in a nutshell:
hardly eats

wears sweats & tanks

goes out once every 2 weeks

got rid of most of my clothes & other
stuff

i don't have family or am close to my extended family

i don't have friends

i am isolated

previous interests don't thrill me

can't speak to anyone including a therapist


Frustration and depression are part of our daily life.Some time they badly influenced our life.We can't complete rid to them but it is chance to minimize frustration.
Set simple goals in our daily work.
Use simple ways to achieve our target.
Don't be panic,every thing can be possible in this world.
Eat healthy and drink maximum water.
Avoid bad company and also bad habits like smoking,drinking etc.
Do exercise daily,at least morning walk necessary.
Be happy and keep other happy.
Nathen

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Re: depression
« Reply #6 on: September 13, 2012, 06:08:24 pm »
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Frustration and depression are part of our daily life.


Clinical depression of the the type described in the OP's post is not a normal part of daily life.  It's a serious and often insidious disease.  And definitely not remedied by happy thoughts.  She needs help, not platitudes.

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Re: depression
« Reply #7 on: September 13, 2012, 07:11:09 pm »
Quote from: ancientgoddess;40794
my depression in a nutshell:
hardly eats
wears sweats & tanks
goes out once every 2 weeks
got rid of most of my clothes & other
stuff
i don't have family or am close to my extended family
i don't have friends
i am isolated
previous interests don't thrill me
can't speak to anyone including a therapist
can't see a dr
my problems are worse when my stressor is around
can't express myself
i have extreme anxiety & panic attacks on top of all this
i hate the way i look nowadays
i have other minor health issues that can't be taken care of
i don't know where to turn anymore.  I thought i'd be able to deal with the issues at hand but i just can't anymore.  just can't.


First, pat yourself a little on the back for posting? It's not easy to do even when not depressed for some people and you did it. So cool on that IMO.

Does seem like your down deep right now. And I agree with Etheric1 and benvarry that looking into therapist options is likely going to help at some point. Maybe small steps in that regard? Like look a few up in your area online. Even without calling, you've done something. Made progress. If you make calls, find a way to reward yourself for that maybe?

You have made a good list. There is organization even if things are overwhelming. That's useful. Is it out of line to take one thing from this list that you can change and work on it? For example, give yourself the luxury of getting outside 2-3 times within the next week or so? Of course I do not know your health issues and that may prohibit getting outside.

If health issues are keeping you in, you've already made a start in expressing yourself, perhaps you can do that more online or in another creative way? When very far down, sometimes I don't even want to type or pick up a brush, so I have sung. It sounds weird to do, but for some reason creating something even if it is a little song helps me. It's an achievement.

I think you're pretty good at expression actually as this post rings very strongly and clearly of depression. I have sympathy and wish you the best in this fight.

I don't want to take the wrong tone or anything. Sheesh. I know how it can be when some people think you need a kick in the pants and others think you need a hug, but at different times that aren't in sync with what you actually need. All good intentions, but, well, you know how that can go I bet. So if you are of the mind to give some more input about your situation or yourself, it could be easier for people to approach in fitting way with ideas.

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Re: depression
« Reply #8 on: September 13, 2012, 09:34:29 pm »
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Frustration and depression are part of our daily life.Some time they badly influenced our life.We can't complete rid to them but it is chance to minimize frustration. Set simple goals in our daily work. Use simple ways to achieve our target. Don't be panic,every thing can be possible in this world. Eat healthy and drink maximum water. Avoid bad company and also bad habits like smoking,drinking etc. Do exercise daily,at least morning walk necessary. Be happy and keep other happy.

I get the impression that the frustration and depression you are thinking of, is like this: you're walking through a forest and stub your toe on a rock. "You can massage it off and keep walking." Yes, that happens to everyone.

But the frustration and depression that I see in reading the OP's post, is more like walking through a pool of quicksand. It's not only far more intense, but it is a completely different circumstance. The "simple goal" of putting one foot in front of the other becomes impossible. There is no target. All possibilities other than "being sucked down under the mire" have becoming severely limited.

You struggle so much that don't even have the energy to eat or even notice your own hunger and thirst. What makes you think that those outlined ambitions and goals stand a chance, when the very instinct to survive is just shot?

So, no, you cannot just "be happy and keep others happy". This sort of depression is not a part of life. Eventually it can even become a part of death, for reasons other than that the afflicted is just too lazy to pull on their bootstraps. It's like quicksand you cannot see the bootstraps.
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« Reply #9 on: September 14, 2012, 08:23:22 pm »
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I get the impression that the frustration and depression you are thinking of, is like this: you're walking through a forest and stub your toe on a rock. "You can massage it off and keep walking." Yes, that happens to everyone.

But the frustration and depression that I see in reading the OP's post, is more like walking through a pool of quicksand. It's not only far more intense, but it is a completely different circumstance. The "simple goal" of putting one foot in front of the other becomes impossible. There is no target. All possibilities other than "being sucked down under the mire" have becoming severely limited.

You struggle so much that don't even have the energy to eat or even notice your own hunger and thirst. What makes you think that those outlined ambitions and goals stand a chance, when the very instinct to survive is just shot?

So, no, you cannot just "be happy and keep others happy". This sort of depression is not a part of life. Eventually it can even become a part of death, for reasons other than that the afflicted is just too lazy to pull on their bootstraps. It's like quicksand you cannot see the bootstraps.

 
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Re: depression
« Reply #11 on: September 19, 2012, 08:47:46 pm »
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A lot of people can very much identify with everything you've said, and there are others on this board struggling with this horrid disease.  


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Re: depression
« Reply #12 on: June 03, 2017, 09:50:39 pm »
Frustration and depression are part of our daily life.Some time they badly influenced our life.We can't complete rid to them but it is chance to minimize frustration.

Set simple goals in our daily work.
Use simple ways to achieve our target.
Don't be panic,every thing can be possible in this world.
Eat healthy and drink maximum water.
Avoid bad company and also bad habits like smoking,drinking etc.
Do exercise daily,at least morning walk necessary.
Be happy and keep other happy.

Those are effective suggestions.  The power a human being has to transform one's own life for the better, unfortunately, is often vastly underestimated. 

In addition to suggesting that people make healthier choices, I would encourage people not to underestimate the strength of their own Will, and their own ability to help themselves.  People should be mindful of their Will, and focus on it, and then act on it. Every choice one makes, every action, creates a different future.  Every choice one does not make, every inaction, creates a different future.  Way too often, people underestimate the extent of their own ability to shape and manipulate their own experience of life (or the lives of those around them)... but all too often, people expect others to resolve their issues for them.

As a child, I used to wonder why people suffer.  Then I came to feel that pain, suffering, and conflict do far more for our (personal and collective) evolution than happiness does.  It often gives us way more incentive to create significant and incredible change in our lives, than happiness does.

So, one can strive not to allow their pain and suffering to consume them... through Will, fortitude, resilience, some revisions to their Weltanschauung, etc.. and by making healthier choices... but one can also look for ways embrace and utilize that pain, suffering, and conflict, which may amplify one's ability to bring about some much desired changes in life.


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Re: depression
« Reply #13 on: June 03, 2017, 11:41:45 pm »
my depression in a nutshell:
hardly eats

wears sweats & tanks

goes out once every 2 weeks

got rid of most of my clothes & other
stuff

i don't have family or am close to my extended family

i don't have friends

i am isolated

previous interests don't thrill me

can't speak to anyone including a therapist

can't see a dr

my problems are worse when my stressor is around

can't express myself

i have extreme anxiety & panic attacks on top of all this

i hate the way i look nowadays

i have other minor health issues that can't be taken care of

i don't know where to turn anymore.  I thought i'd be able to deal with the issues at hand but i just can't anymore.  just can't.

I would really insist on attempting to see a therapist or doctor if at all possible. I understand you likely have things preventing you from doing so, but it can really help tremendously. I've personally found that even just medication can help me, though I have been seeing a counselor. In lieu of a prescription, St. John's Wort is supposedly very effective for depression- or at least alleviating some symptoms of it, like that lack of interest and inability to even feel enjoyment.

As a couple others said, forcing yourself to go out more would also be in your best interest. It's tough, but it would get you away from your stressor. This is a really tricky situation; there are resources for people who need to get out of bad circumstances, but the hardest part is often actually being able to get there. Have you looked for things like that in your area? Places and clinics for people in similar situations to you?


Those are effective suggestions.  The power a human being has to transform one's own life for the better, unfortunately, is often vastly underestimated. 

In addition to suggesting that people make healthier choices, I would encourage people not to underestimate the strength of their own Will, and their own ability to help themselves.  People should be mindful of their Will, and focus on it, and then act on it. Every choice one makes, every action, creates a different future.  Every choice one does not make, every inaction, creates a different future.  Way too often, people underestimate the extent of their own ability to shape and manipulate their own experience of life (or the lives of those around them)... but all too often, people expect others to resolve their issues for them.

As a child, I used to wonder why people suffer.  Then I came to feel that pain, suffering, and conflict do far more for our (personal and collective) evolution than happiness does.  It often gives us way more incentive to create significant and incredible change in our lives, than happiness does.

So, one can strive not to allow their pain and suffering to consume them... through Will, fortitude, resilience, some revisions to their Weltanschauung, etc.. and by making healthier choices... but one can also look for ways embrace and utilize that pain, suffering, and conflict, which may amplify one's ability to bring about some much desired changes in life.




While I agree with what you say about the power of will, I believe this is a case where that's not necessarily going to help. Clinical depression involves the brain lacking the ability to sustain enough of the chemicals that allow us to feel enjoyment, motivation, or happiness. The mind's reward system just goes kaput. Simple willpower or a change of "Weltanshauung"/personal perspective cannot fix that.

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Re: depression
« Reply #14 on: June 04, 2017, 03:36:58 am »
Those are effective suggestions.  The power a human being has to transform one's own life for the better, unfortunately, is often vastly underestimated. 

In addition to suggesting that people make healthier choices, I would encourage people not to underestimate the strength of their own Will, and their own ability to help themselves.  People should be mindful of their Will, and focus on it, and then act on it. Every choice one makes, every action, creates a different future.  Every choice one does not make, every inaction, creates a different future.  Way too often, people underestimate the extent of their own ability to shape and manipulate their own experience of life (or the lives of those around them)... but all too often, people expect others to resolve their issues for them.

As a child, I used to wonder why people suffer.  Then I came to feel that pain, suffering, and conflict do far more for our (personal and collective) evolution than happiness does.  It often gives us way more incentive to create significant and incredible change in our lives, than happiness does.

So, one can strive not to allow their pain and suffering to consume them... through Will, fortitude, resilience, some revisions to their Weltanschauung, etc.. and by making healthier choices... but one can also look for ways embrace and utilize that pain, suffering, and conflict, which may amplify one's ability to bring about some much desired changes in life.


Also, just while I'm here and perusing this over half a decade old thread:

It is rather unfortunate that Nathen's post was the one you felt merited reviving this thread to respond to, since as Faemon politely noted several years ago, his post was complete garbage that demonstrated a staggering lack of understanding re: clinical depression. What is even more unfortunate is that you seem to have taken his failures and expanded upon them; rather than offering the critique which they so richly deserve. Honestly I am struggling to articulate how utterly terrible your post was in regards to giving practical advice about managing depression. It's like if someone asked you for an orange and you instead handed them a venomous snake that you just shook up in a bag.

If asked, I would say that one of the most harmful and possibly-lethal misconceptions about clinical depression is that you can just "get over it." Or, and I'm just tossing out possible examples here, the idea that a depressed person can simply "strive not to allow their pain and suffering to consume them... through Will, fortitude, resilience, some revisions to their Weltanschauung, etc.. and by making healthier choices." Is it important that someone suffering from depression be willing to make positive changes? Yes. If a person doesn't want to get better, they won't, and that's just the sum of it. But here's the thing: wanting to get better is the hard part. Speaking from my own perspective as someone who has suffered significantly from suicidal ideation, the "pull yourself up by the bootstraps" approach that you unabashedly advocate only does one thing:

-- it reinforces the already-everpresent feelings of guilt and/or self-loathing which are usually massive factors in suicidal ideation (you don't {want to} kill yourself if you think you're a swell person) when someone inevitably can't just ~~*Will*~~ away their crippling mental illness

One of the other big problems that people don't understand -- and it should be noted that I'm speaking entirely within the context of depressive suicidality for this entire post; and that not all people with clinical depression are suicidal and not all suicidal people have clinical depression -- that suicidal people live in a world of inverted values. Everything is different. One of the fundamental underlying principles of human behaviour -- that living is preferable to dying -- is completely turned on its head. To better illustrate this, let us indulge in a little call-and-response. You will recognise some slightly edited excerpts from your own post, and underneath will be the italicised response of a hypothetical suicidal person; drawn of course from my own experiences.

"Don't underestimate the strength of your own Will, and your own ability to help yourself."

I don't want to help myself. I don't want to do anything. I want to die. Just sink into a warm and embracing darkness and nothingness. For fuck's sake you don't get it, do you?

"Way too often, people underestimate the extent of their own ability to shape and manipulate their own experience of life (or the lives of those around them)... but all too often, people expect others to resolve their issues for them."

No, again you completely ignore the actual reality. I want to resolve my issues, and it isn't as if I'm thinking 'oh no, I just don't have it in me to push through my problems'. No. I want to resolve my issues by killing myself because it's the only thing that will quiet my thoughts. When every 20 seconds you're assaulted, unbidden, with a vivid image of killing yourself with whatever is in the particular room you're in it has nothing to do with 'shaping my own experience of life'.

"Pain, suffering, and conflict do far more for our (personal and collective) evolution than happiness does.  It often gives us way more incentive to create significant and incredible change in our lives, than happiness does."

"So, one can strive not to allow their pain and suffering to consume them... through Will, fortitude, resilience, some revisions to their Weltanschauung, etc.. and by making healthier choices... but one can also look for ways embrace and utilize that pain, suffering, and conflict, which may amplify one's ability to bring about some much desired changes in life."
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