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Author Topic: I'm looking for an Irish God of the sky  (Read 3903 times)

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I'm looking for an Irish God of the sky
« on: March 15, 2013, 07:26:15 pm »
Does anyone here know of any sources of a sky God in ancient Ireland? It's been very difficult to find information on many of the Irish Gods as it is. The closest I found to a deity relating to the sky is Tuireann, a thunder God, and I have heard that the Goddess Brigid is associated with the sky.

Any help would be very greatly appreciated. Thank you :)

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Re: I'm looking for an Irish God of the sky...
« Reply #1 on: March 15, 2013, 08:07:30 pm »
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Does anyone here know of any sources of a sky God in ancient Ireland? It's been very difficult to find information on many of the Irish Gods as it is. The closest I found to a deity relating to the sky is Tuireann, a thunder God, and I have heard that the Goddess Brigid is associated with the sky.

Any help would be very greatly appreciated. Thank you :)

 
Irish gods don't really work like that; you won't find any definitive answers because it's unlikely that they've ever been seen that way in a historical sense. There are plenty of theories but it's generally from people who are applying Classical interpretations onto them.

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Re: I'm looking for an Irish God of the sky...
« Reply #2 on: March 15, 2013, 08:21:14 pm »
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Irish gods don't really work like that; you won't find any definitive answers because it's unlikely that they've ever been seen that way in a historical sense. There are plenty of theories but it's generally from people who are applying Classical interpretations onto them.

Thanks. I've kind of noticed that too , that they don't all have a definitive association.
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Re: I'm looking for an Irish God of the sky...
« Reply #3 on: March 15, 2013, 08:31:25 pm »
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Thanks. I've kind of noticed that too , that they don't all have a definitive association.

 
Eh my rough perception of them is they're more of a community of deities than what we've all been taught of deities as 'beings in charge of certain natural phenomenon'. I.E. Sky god, Thunder godess etc. Like some of the classical perceptions of Roman and Greek deities.

Some of them do have clear roles but they're more communal roles like psychopomp or chieftain etc than serving a role as master/mistress of a natural phenomenon.

Just my perception though.

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Re: I'm looking for an Irish God of the sky...
« Reply #4 on: March 15, 2013, 08:41:11 pm »
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Eh my rough perception of them is they're more of a community of deities than what we've all been taught of deities as 'beings in charge of certain natural phenomenon'. I.E. Sky god, Thunder godess etc. Like some of the classical perceptions of Roman and Greek deities.

Some of them do have clear roles but they're more communal roles like psychopomp or chieftain etc than serving a role as master/mistress of a natural phenomenon.

Just my perception though.

 
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Irish gods don't really work like that; you won't find any definitive answers because it's unlikely that they've ever been seen that way in a historical sense. There are plenty of theories but it's generally from people who are applying Classical interpretations onto them.


Exactly to both. :)
The Irish gods don't tend to have very specific single roles- usually they're linked to several areas. One god I tend to see people get a bit confused with is Lugh. Some people view him as a god of the sun but as far as I've read and heard he's more of a god of light- which can be interpreted as the 'hero's light' around a warrior in battle, rather than an actual physical source of light like the sun. :)
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« Reply #5 on: March 16, 2013, 07:09:19 am »
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Exactly to both. :)
The Irish gods don't tend to have very specific single roles- usually they're linked to several areas. One god I tend to see people get a bit confused with is Lugh. Some people view him as a god of the sun but as far as I've read and heard he's more of a god of light- which can be interpreted as the 'hero's light' around a warrior in battle, rather than an actual physical source of light like the sun. :)

 
Yes, while you do get the odd one here and there who's associated with a particular area - Manannan for the sea, Flidais for woodlands, there's also other overlaps - Flidais for domestic beasts (cattle primarily) as well as the wilds.

There are no specific areas that each is in charge of - same with the Norse to a large extent, both these pantheons are more generalized

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Re: I'm looking for an Irish God of the sky...
« Reply #6 on: March 16, 2013, 07:18:27 am »
Quote from: Gaudior;101458
Does anyone here know of any sources of a sky God in ancient Ireland? It's been very difficult to find information on many of the Irish Gods as it is. The closest I found to a deity relating to the sky is Tuireann, a thunder God, and I have heard that the Goddess Brigid is associated with the sky.

Any help would be very greatly appreciated. Thank you :)

If you were really really REALLY set on designating one of them as a sky deity you could do something like read the extant myths with an eye to defining what sky means in that world view and extrapolating from that which of them may have that as their purview but...well, it would be a great deal of work and not at all guaranteed to succeed, or depending on your timeline, even particularly useful if you did. But hey, who knows?
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Re: I'm looking for an Irish God of the sky...
« Reply #7 on: March 16, 2013, 09:13:32 am »
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Yes, while you do get the odd one here and there who's associated with a particular area - Manannan for the sea, Flidais for woodlands, there's also other overlaps - Flidais for domestic beasts (cattle primarily) as well as the wilds.

There are no specific areas that each is in charge of - same with the Norse to a large extent, both these pantheons are more generalized

 
Aye, also to add Manannan as a god who aids passage to the Otherworld. :)

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If you were really really REALLY set on designating one of them as a sky deity you could do something like read the extant myths with an eye to defining what sky means in that world view and extrapolating from that which of them may have that as their purview but...well, it would be a great deal of work and not at all guaranteed to succeed, or depending on your timeline, even particularly useful if you did. But hey, who knows?


I would do this, if you're interested in working with Irish gods a reasonable knowledge of the mythology would be helpful :)
You may even find something more suited to you.
Plus the stories are interesting :p :D:
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Re: I'm looking for an Irish God of the sky...
« Reply #8 on: March 16, 2013, 10:15:11 am »
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Aye, also to add Manannan as a god who aids passage to the Otherworld. :)

 
Well, that's a natural fit as Tír na nÓg is an island, though there is a mention of Mor Rhiogain flying the souls there too

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Re: I'm looking for an Irish God of the sky...
« Reply #9 on: March 16, 2013, 03:51:09 pm »
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Well, that's a natural fit as Tír na nÓg is an island, though there is a mention of Mor Rhiogain flying the souls there too

 
Aye.
Maybe the real reason there's no specific sky god is that we can't see the sky here half the time with all the cloud XD XD :p
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I'm looking for an Irish God of the sky
« Reply #10 on: March 16, 2013, 04:29:22 pm »
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Well, that's a natural fit as Tír na nÓg is an island, though there is a mention of Mor Rhiogain flying the souls there too

Everything is so localised with Irish myth and folklore. Three of my gods could be considered storm gods (well, one goddess). I don't think anything was  pan-Irish or pan-Gaelic in pre-Christian society. Tribal and land boundaries would have meant a lot of variation.

Haven't some scholars considered the Dagda to be a thunder-bringer, possibly as a result of his oak associations? Nowadays we see him more as an earth and fertility god, thanks to the myth of the cauldron, but Gaelic gods seem to have had more than one sphere of influence each.
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I'm looking for an Irish God of the sky
« Reply #11 on: March 16, 2013, 07:31:56 pm »
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Aye.
Maybe the real reason there's no specific sky god is that we can't see the sky here half the time with all the cloud XD XD :p

I feel you, Scotland is much the same in that respect!
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Re: I'm looking for an Irish God of the sky...
« Reply #12 on: March 16, 2013, 08:26:03 pm »
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Haven't some scholars considered the Dagda to be a thunder-bringer, possibly as a result of his oak associations? Nowadays we see him more as an earth and fertility god, thanks to the myth of the cauldron, but Gaelic gods seem to have had more than one sphere of influence each.

 
I think I remember reading something about that somewhere. If you remember which scholar/s I'd love to look into it more. :)

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I feel you, Scotland is much the same in that respect!


XD We're all fairly practical that way :p
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Re: I'm looking for an Irish God of the sky...
« Reply #13 on: March 16, 2013, 09:01:25 pm »
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I think I remember reading something about that somewhere. If you remember which scholar/s I'd love to look into it more. :)



XD We're all fairly practical that way :p

 
Pretty similar weather here too ha ha, especially in spring, the sky likes to peek out at us for a little bit every now and then to give us hope ;)

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Re: I'm looking for an Irish God of the sky...
« Reply #14 on: March 17, 2013, 09:09:44 am »
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Haven't some scholars considered the Dagda to be a thunder-bringer, possibly as a result of his oak associations? Nowadays we see him more as an earth and fertility god, thanks to the myth of the cauldron, but Gaelic gods seem to have had more than one sphere of influence each.


Yes, his name derives from the same PIE roots as Zeus, Dyaus Pater and other clear examples of sky gods in other cultures, so it's not implausible. It's just that Celtic deities never do just one thing or even just ten things.

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