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Author Topic: Why is Loki so active recently?  (Read 5408 times)

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Re: Why is Loki so active recently?
« Reply #15 on: August 13, 2012, 05:15:36 am »
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I know you don't want to go here but I still have to say it; the movies Thor and The Avengers might have a LOT to do with it. People are calling His name, fangirling over Him and otherwise drawing attention to Midgard. I think it's only logical that a God like Loki would come to have a look...

Is it really Loki that is more active? Or is it just the Avengers fangirls?

Because from what I know (admittedly not much), Marvel-Films-Loki is very, very different to Norse-Mythology-Loki. If Norse-Mythology-Loki were real, why would said entity be interested in the fandom surrounding a very different character with the same name?

That said, I do find the thought of Norse-Mythology-Loki finding some of the... ahem... adult materials produced by the fangirls of Marvel-Films-Loki to be extremely funny.

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I've not liked Marvel's take on anything Norse even when I was little. The Loki from the recent movies wasn't too bad since he comes out looking like the good guy (in Thor).

I don't think anyone looks particularly good in the Thor film.... Thor and Loki (film versions) are both riddled with more Daddy Issues than a Linkin Park album. And honestly I think that living for one's parent's approval is frankly pathetic. That said, Thor (film version) did come off as very friendly and endearing... Loki came off as extremely unloved and abused (probably one of the reasons why he's such a popular character... lots of people want to give him a hug and tell him its okay). And then there's Odin who comes across as an horrendous dictator and honestly quite stupid (isn't Odin meant to be precognitive? Couldn't he TELL that he was an utterly rotten parent?).
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« Reply #16 on: August 13, 2012, 09:02:55 am »
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Is it really Loki that is more active? Or is it just the Avengers fangirls?

Because from what I know (admittedly not much), Marvel-Films-Loki is very, very different to Norse-Mythology-Loki. If Norse-Mythology-Loki were real, why would said entity be interested in the fandom surrounding a very different character with the same name?

That said, I do find the thought of Norse-Mythology-Loki finding some of the... ahem... adult materials produced by the fangirls of Marvel-Films-Loki to be extremely funny.



I don't think anyone looks particularly good in the Thor film.... Thor and Loki (film versions) are both riddled with more Daddy Issues than a Linkin Park album. And honestly I think that living for one's parent's approval is frankly pathetic. That said, Thor (film version) did come off as very friendly and endearing... Loki came off as extremely unloved and abused (probably one of the reasons why he's such a popular character... lots of people want to give him a hug and tell him its okay). And then there's Odin who comes across as an horrendous dictator and honestly quite stupid (isn't Odin meant to be precognitive? Couldn't he TELL that he was an utterly rotten parent?).

Loki is pretty abused both in the movies and in the myths.

It turns out that arguing for Loki being the good guy in the Thor movie is pretty easy. Had Thor not been exiled he would have remained arrogant, petty, short sighted and selfish. He had already broken an ancient truce by disobeying the All-Father.

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Re: Why is Loki so active recently?
« Reply #17 on: August 13, 2012, 12:22:19 pm »
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Is it really Loki that is more active? Or is it just the Avengers fangirls?


Is there a meaningful difference? Is not a god 'called' by attention, however naive?

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Loki came off as extremely unloved and abused (probably one of the reasons why he's such a popular character... lots of people want to give him a hug and tell him its okay).

 
I suspect it's more of an identification with the "it's better to rule in hell..." attitude.

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« Reply #18 on: August 13, 2012, 02:32:28 pm »
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I suspect it's more of an identification with the "it's better to rule in hell..." attitude.

I didn't get that "rule in hell" kind out feeling about Loki when watching the Thor movie.

He seemed to me to be trying to do things for the objectively greater good despite being put down, distrusted and lied to.

He could have killed everyone in that little human town but accepted Thor's offer of just himself. He could have killed Heimdall but left him frozen and alive despite Heimdall trying to kill him and calling him a traitor. He lured the ruler of an evil force in and killed him. He tried to talk Thor down while he was busy creating war with a dreaded enemy.

Etc.
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Re: Why is Loki so active recently?
« Reply #19 on: August 13, 2012, 05:55:15 pm »
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Is it really Loki that is more active? Or is it just the Avengers fangirls?


Well, I was trying to find out if this was the sole blame. It's definitely the cause of a lot of recent kerfluffle. But it seems like there was a lot of sudden interest a few years before that.

Maybe due to the growing interest in Heathenry, and the arguments of whether or not Loki is to be even mentioned, let alone worshiped? Might have pricked his ears up.

As for Avengers fandom...I do find amusement in The Avengers Shouln't Text....

As a side note, I don't see Loki nor Thor to look at all like either character...but I don't see them the way most Heathens do either, so maybe there's something wrong with my mental-vision.

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Re: Why is Loki so active recently?
« Reply #20 on: August 13, 2012, 06:07:08 pm »
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As a side note, I don't see Loki nor Thor to look at all like either character...

 
Is this really at all new? Most of the classical works I studied way back in college were Greek, but it seemed that the portrayals of the gods and goddesses were varied and inconsistent... But weren't they still usually seen as fitting tributes/representations of the gods and goddesses in question?

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Re: Why is Loki so active recently?
« Reply #21 on: August 13, 2012, 06:47:40 pm »
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Is this really at all new? Most of the classical works I studied way back in college were Greek, but it seemed that the portrayals of the gods and goddesses were varied and inconsistent... But weren't they still usually seen as fitting tributes/representations of the gods and goddesses in question?

I am unsure about classical sculpture's spiritual origins (I don't think that was covered in my art history), but I was mostly referring to UPG. Obviously Avengers isn't exactly Gnosis, but it was still how somebody pictured the Gods in their head.... The way I see many contemporary individuals depict or describe our shared Gods sometimes makes me confused, because I wonder if we're even worshiping the same Gods.

(Ultimately it doesn't matter as long as you and the God in question both get the picture.)
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« Reply #22 on: August 14, 2012, 05:45:42 pm »
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There's been a lot of discussion and inspiration concerning Loki, and not just among people following Norse-based traditions. Although I'm certain that some of it is certainly just "trending", these things always seem like more than just a coincidence to me, when so many people are reporting their own sudden experiences.

Why now? Why would Loki be suddenly so interested in touching the lives of so many people?  Does anyone have any speculation?

(I do NOT mean this question as "why is Loki suddenly so popular" because I've got some strong opinions on that and I'm sure everyone else does too, so let's not go there.)

(Inspired by this thread, and others.)

I feel like many are calling him to themselves, mistaking him for the misunderstood, daddy issues, attractive tom hiddles version. Many of these points of heathenry becoming more popular are valid, but I can only believe that fully when the avengers hype dies down. I feel that many will discover that Loki is not the same as the movie portrayal and not stick around.

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Re: Why is Loki so active recently?
« Reply #23 on: August 14, 2012, 07:25:25 pm »
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I am unsure about classical sculpture's spiritual origins (I don't think that was covered in my art history), but I was mostly referring to UPG. Obviously Avengers isn't exactly Gnosis, but it was still how somebody pictured the Gods in their head.... The way I see many contemporary individuals depict or describe our shared Gods sometimes makes me confused, because I wonder if we're even worshiping the same Gods.

(Ultimately it doesn't matter as long as you and the God in question both get the picture.)

 
That's what keeps me from buying statuary. I have found one statue of Holda and it's not what I feel is accurate. I read Raven Kaldera's book on Jotuns early on in my path and don't have some of the hang ups on them as some do. I don't feel a strong connection to Thor or Frigga. I was interesting in the Vanir more than Aesir.

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« Reply #24 on: August 14, 2012, 07:51:15 pm »
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I feel like many are calling him to themselves, mistaking him for the misunderstood, daddy issues, attractive tom hiddles version. Many of these points of heathenry becoming more popular are valid, but I can only believe that fully when the avengers hype dies down. I feel that many will discover that Loki is not the same as the movie portrayal and not stick around.

The Loki I get from non-movie/comic movie experiences is likely different from what people who worship the typically popular Norse Gods get.

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Re: Why is Loki so active recently?
« Reply #25 on: August 15, 2012, 08:10:29 pm »
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That's what keeps me from buying statuary. I have found one statue of Holda and it's not what I feel is accurate. I read Raven Kaldera's book on Jotuns early on in my path and don't have some of the hang ups on them as some do. I don't feel a strong connection to Thor or Frigga. I was interesting in the Vanir more than Aesir.

 
I've started painting and carving my own idols. If you want something done right, as they say.

The only one of Kaldera's descriptions I know is of Hel, which I almost completely disagree with, haha. She like black roses, seriously? She was goth before there were goths? :p

But yeah, we all have stronger or weaker connections to each of them. I think it's just a personality thing. I like Thor a lot, actually, but it's in a weird chummy way, which is not at ALL how most Asatru see him and I'm sure some would be vastly offended!

(Also I don't see how Loki is associated with Fire, except for the roundabout explanation of his parent's names?)

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« Reply #26 on: December 23, 2012, 07:10:03 am »
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I know you don't want to go here but I still have to say it; the movies Thor and The Avengers might have a LOT to do with it. People are calling His name, fangirling over Him and otherwise drawing attention to Midgard. I think it's only logical that a God like Loki would come to have a look...

 
Hiddlestoner here:o
I don't think that is the reason I follow Loki PER SE. I've been interested in magick and mythology my whole life, but it took Loki along with an art project involving an image on the Gundestrup Cauldron of Cernunnos to find paganism.

That out of the way, I can seriously imagine Loki looking at this surge of attention with glee. Especially the "Poor baby!" fans. Talk about easy targets. In my mind Loki and the movie character are similar but very different.

Just thought I'd add the thoughts of a fangirl turned pagan.

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Re: Why is Loki so active recently?
« Reply #27 on: December 23, 2012, 08:57:21 am »
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Why would Loki be suddenly so interested in touching the lives of so many people?  Does anyone have any speculation?


Because Ragnarok is coming? :)

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Re: Why is Loki so active recently?
« Reply #28 on: December 23, 2012, 09:56:08 am »
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Because Ragnarok is coming? :)

 
Because enough of people thought the Ragnarök was coming? :D:

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« Reply #29 on: December 23, 2012, 11:22:30 am »
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I can seriously imagine Loki looking at this surge of attention with glee. Especially the "Poor baby!" fans. Talk about easy targets.

 
oh yeah.  right there.  very happy god. He might not even enlighten them.  Just enjoy them.

although I have to admit, the horn thing he had going on in the movie did nothing for me.  Now Cap.  Have we deified Captain America yet?
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