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Re: Why do you worship the gods/spirits/forces you do?
« Reply #30 on: December 28, 2015, 11:16:10 pm »
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Re: Why do you worship the gods/spirits/forces you do?
« Reply #31 on: December 28, 2015, 11:19:35 pm »
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They used to be there, but YouTube copyrighted them.

 
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Re: Why do you worship the gods/spirits/forces you do?
« Reply #32 on: December 28, 2015, 11:46:13 pm »
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Replying because I understand what you've said, but not why.

First of all, I'm going point out that Juniperberry said "Loki was like this guy from X (uses a clip-filled video to explain entire personality reasoning)".

I repeated that style with Lorne and Spike.

If that was what triggered the response, then I thought we were inferring personality from how they appear on video.


If it was for ones I didn't have references to, however, I did elaborate with text. One can infer that Puck is, at the very least; a whimsical, fairfolk prankster. While Ikuto is highly sexual. Which was all that was really needed to understand.


The only ones I did that might violate the rules would be calling Marvel Loki Malfoy-ish and mentioning that Kamigami's Loki was more accurate then Marvel Loki. The first is so common as to nearly be defunct and the latter...well, I fully understand that one. I didn't do any explaining for that one at all.
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Re: Why do you worship the gods/spirits/forces you do?
« Reply #33 on: December 29, 2015, 12:45:46 am »
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So, everyone's experience with a deity is different. A Loki like Danny De Vito is valid. Some people experience him as being like that.

 
Sure!

It's just when someone's problem-solving skills involve arson and endangerment, I'm going to think Frank Loki  and not sexy, charming Loki.
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Re: Why do you worship the gods/spirits/forces you do?
« Reply #34 on: December 29, 2015, 12:54:22 am »
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Sure!

It's just when someone's problem-solving skills involve arson and endangerment, I'm going to think Frank Loki  and not sexy, charming Loki.

 
You don't think arson is sexy?

(My problem is more that thanks to Disney's Hercules, I firmly associate Danny DeVito with the Hellenic pantheon.)
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Re: Why do you worship the gods/spirits/forces you do?
« Reply #35 on: December 29, 2015, 01:02:21 am »
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You don't think arson is sexy?

(My problem is more that thanks to Disney's Hercules, I firmly associate Danny DeVito with the Hellenic pantheon.)

I still haven't really seen that...

Edit: This coming from someone who just finally watched Star Wars Ep 4-6 over Thanksgiving. So that's what the hype was about.
« Last Edit: December 29, 2015, 01:04:06 am by Juniperberry »
The pace of progress in artificial intelligence (I’m not referring to narrow AI) is incredibly fast. [...] The risk of something seriously dangerous happening is in the five year timeframe. 10 years at most.--Elon Musk

I am in the camp that is concerned about super intelligence," [Bill] Gates wrote. "First the machines will do a lot of jobs for us and not be super intelligent. That should be positive if we manage it well. A few decades after that though the intelligence is strong enough to be a concern. I agree with Elon Musk and some others on this and don\'t understand why some people are not concerned."

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Re: Why do you worship the gods/spirits/forces you do?
« Reply #36 on: December 29, 2015, 01:22:42 am »
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I still haven't really seen that...

Edit: This coming from someone who just finally watched Star Wars Ep 4-6 over Thanksgiving. So that's what the hype was about.

 
I guess the question then is whether you think blowing up planets is sexy.
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Re: Why do you worship the gods/spirits/forces you do?
« Reply #37 on: December 29, 2015, 01:25:29 am »
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It doesn't work like that for me. My gods and their myths are the intermediaries through which I better understand the universe and our/my place in it. It can all remain in the background for long stretches, without me investing any time or action in them, and yet it's still there shaping my perceptions.

 
This actually reminds me a lot of my relationship with the Kemetic pantheon, as a whole; there are a few Big deities that tend to make up the backdrop of my world near constantly, but that I don't really work with terribly often. Like, I'm often *aware* that Geb is beneath me without me really thinking about it; He's just there. I don't think I've ever really talked to him, tho'.

I don't know if that's your experience at all, but I thought it made for an interesting comparison.

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Re: Why do you worship the gods/spirits/forces you do?
« Reply #38 on: December 29, 2015, 01:52:36 am »
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I guess the question then is whether you think blowing up planets is sexy.

 
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Re: Why do you worship the gods/spirits/forces you do?
« Reply #39 on: December 29, 2015, 01:54:43 am »
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Because you do it in many of your posts, not just in this thread. Because you do enough of it that people have difficulty understanding what you're talking about. (And I'll note that expecting people to go watch four video clips, totalling over 20 minutes, just to get a handle on what you're saying if they aren't already familiar with the shows, is not reasonable.)

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The only ones I did that might violate the rules would be calling Marvel Loki Malfoy-ish and mentioning that Kamigami's Loki was more accurate then Marvel Loki. The first is so common as to nearly be defunct and the latter...well, I fully understand that one. I didn't do any explaining for that one at all.

 
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Re: Why do you worship the gods/spirits/forces you do?
« Reply #40 on: December 30, 2015, 07:36:33 pm »
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I'm interested in knowing why you worship the specific deities you do. Who do you work with? What started your relationship with them? Why do you continue investing time into them? Are you deeply committed to them, or is your relationship with them temporary? Which relationships do you consider most important, and why? Or are they equally important to you?

Ignore/modify the questions as you need to. :) They're only supposed to serve as prompts.


Many years ago, when I was trying to detach myself from the (strict) Christian religion I had been brought up in, my struggles led me into an alternative London bookshop.

Amongst the books were small statues of various Buddhist figurines, (Tara?) and several Hindu deities. I can remember standing and looking at them and thinking that if only the vengeful, judgemental god I had been brought up with had instead been like them, I might not be the messed up person I had become.

So, I bought one and brought her home. I didn't quite know what to do with her, so made a small shrine with her seated in the centre and started doing some serious seeking. Those searchings put me on the path I am today, but that statue and all she represents has always held a special place in my heart.

I found out not long after bringing her home with me is that she is Lakshmi, the Hindu goddess of wealth, fortune, and prosperity- and although I don't technically incorporate Hinduism into my practice now, I still bring her out to honour and thank her at Diwali, and also use her as my symbolic Goddess for Beltane.

She is for me personally the 'face' of the Goddess that I most relate to- just because when I most needed a helping hand, she was the one who held it out, and never let me go through a very dark and difficult time. :)

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Re: Why do you worship the gods/spirits/forces you do?
« Reply #41 on: December 30, 2015, 09:30:57 pm »
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I still haven't really seen that...

Edit: This coming from someone who just finally watched Star Wars Ep 4-6 over Thanksgiving. So that's what the hype was about.


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Re: Why do you worship the gods/spirits/forces you do?
« Reply #42 on: December 30, 2015, 09:35:37 pm »
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I'm often *aware* that Geb is beneath me without me really thinking about it; He's just there. I don't think I've ever really talked to him, tho'.

I don't know if that's your experience at all, but I thought it made for an interesting comparison.


Something like that, yes. I can't say I've ever had a conversation with any of my gods; they're just not that literal for me. But I feel them running through me and around me all the time.
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Re: Why do you worship the gods/spirits/forces you do?
« Reply #43 on: January 01, 2016, 01:44:00 pm »
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Oh you poor thing. You'd never seen the original Star Wars nor The Empire Strikes Back? If all you were going on was the prequel trilogy abomination, no wonder you must have thought all these rabid fans had lost their goddamn minds.

I never really sat down and watched the prequels either! But we just started these last night so I can get caught up before we watch The Force Awakens .

(But yeah, the prequels aren't nearly as good.)
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Re: Why do you worship the gods/spirits/forces you do?
« Reply #44 on: January 05, 2016, 01:08:33 pm »
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This actually reminds me a lot of my relationship with the Kemetic pantheon, as a whole; there are a few Big deities that tend to make up the backdrop of my world near constantly, but that I don't really work with terribly often. Like, I'm often *aware* that Geb is beneath me without me really thinking about it; He's just there. I don't think I've ever really talked to him, tho'.

I don't know if that's your experience at all, but I thought it made for an interesting comparison.

 
OH. Thank you for that.

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