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What does your patron think of Christmas tradition?
« on: December 02, 2013, 04:08:53 pm »
'tis the season.

I thought it might be interesting to discuss this, after the alternative christmas music thread and the yule decorations/trees thread.

Ideas of things to touch on in replies:
-Decorations
-Festivity
-Commercialism
-Family
-Charity
-Lights
-Trees
-Santa (or variations)

Hoping this will be interesting, make it as long or short as you like.

This is supposed to be about the tradition and elements surrounding it, not christianity, so unless it is relevant to your reply, don't worry about that. That said, I am asking about views on christmas tradition, not yule.

You can include your perspective if it's pertinent, but what/if your deity thinks is more interesting to me.

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Re: What does your patron think of Christmas tradition?
« Reply #1 on: December 02, 2013, 04:18:08 pm »
Quote from: Scales;131267
'tis the season.

 
My personal answer is very short. He doesn't really care about commercialism or charity or family or most of the larger scale stuff, but enjoys the lights and decorations and how festive it is. I am to do work with him on the table below the trees, (the following is speculation) because the glowing lights and decorations make it like a shrine; a warm and safe place to work in this weather, and already dressed up as a place he can go. The trees bring colour and atmosphere, and I think he enjoys whenever I'm keeping a plant.

I think he likes Santa as a concept, and the non-commercial parts of what he stands for. He is more American santa-y, I am currently more interested in the dutch sinterklaas.

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Re: What does your patron think of Christmas tradition?
« Reply #2 on: December 02, 2013, 06:59:46 pm »
Quote from: Scales;131267
'tis the season.

I thought it might be interesting to discuss this, after the alternative christmas music thread and the yule decorations/trees thread.

Ideas of things to touch on in replies:
-Decorations
-Festivity
-Commercialism
-Family
-Charity
-Lights
-Trees
-Santa (or variations)

Hoping this will be interesting, make it as long or short as you like.

This is supposed to be about the tradition and elements surrounding it, not christianity, so unless it is relevant to your reply, don't worry about that. That said, I am asking about views on christmas tradition, not yule.

You can include your perspective if it's pertinent, but what/if your deity thinks is more interesting to me.

 
I don't have an open line of communication or anything, but I can speculate based on what I know about Her personality.

Unlike many of the Germanic deities, family and traditions don't seem to be high on the list of Nerthus' priorities.  I'd guess She's largely indifferent to almost all of it, except where waste and and environmental damage come in - She's got a big problem with that.  I imagine that She'd hate seeing trees cut down for what seems like no good reason. She's not a completely wild deity, She brings ripened crops and good soil and cares about humanity in that way; but our customs and culture don't seem to make a lot of sense to Her, and when they damage Her domain for reasons other than food or shelter I think She gets upset with that.
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Re: What does your patron think of Christmas tradition?
« Reply #3 on: December 03, 2013, 07:19:06 am »
Quote from: Scales;131267
'tis the season.

LOL well Arianrhod doesn't have much to say on the subject other than, "yep, it's another turning on the spiral path."

Family - well, her experiences with that haven't been all the best.

Commercialism? She hates it, and prefers hanging out on the strands of her seashore.

Other than that, she doesn't have much to say about this or any other holiday.

ETA: Oh, as far as the lights go, she likes those. They remind her of stars.
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Re: What does your patron think of Christmas tradition?
« Reply #4 on: December 03, 2013, 07:59:23 am »
Quote from: Scales;131267
You can include your perspective if it's pertinent, but what/if your deity thinks is more interesting to me.

As far as I can tell, no deity I've ever been in contact with really cared one way or another about Christmas traditions.
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Re: What does your patron think of Christmas tradition?
« Reply #5 on: December 03, 2013, 09:56:51 am »
Quote from: Scales;131267
'tis the season.

I thought it might be interesting to discuss this, after the alternative christmas music thread and the yule decorations/trees thread.

Ideas of things to touch on in replies:
-Decorations
-Festivity
-Commercialism
-Family
-Charity
-Lights
-Trees
-Santa (or variations)

Hoping this will be interesting, make it as long or short as you like.

This is supposed to be about the tradition and elements surrounding it, not christianity, so unless it is relevant to your reply, don't worry about that. That said, I am asking about views on christmas tradition, not yule.

You can include your perspective if it's pertinent, but what/if your deity thinks is more interesting to me.


Yule is an important time of year for Holda/Holle. She is said to inspect homes and make sure the spinning is done and no spinning work is to be done during the 12 days. It's a time of rest, celebration, family and getting through the rest of winter. Now this is going into UPG territory but since she is the goddess of the home I think she likes the idea of decorations. Bringing in pine for good luck that kind of thing. Also any reason to clean is high on her list. Yule logs would have been a standard but I don't even have a fire place so I think trees and lights are a nice touch. I got rid of all my Jesus stuff to Goodwill when I converted and just have snowmen or Santa (Odin) around the house. We also don't tell our son Santa brings gifts. I have started to tell him Santa is Odin, and he has blessed us with a good year and we buy gifts to celebrate that. He gets a pic with Santa but that's it really. I don't like commercialism whether the gods do or not I don't know. It have found in general the Norse/Germanic gods are not into waste. I try to make goodies and gifts as much as I can. I have a budget and stick to it. Getting together is more important. This year the kids are all going to sit down and make ornaments and we will bake cookies.

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Re: What does your patron think of Christmas tradition?
« Reply #6 on: December 03, 2013, 10:55:13 am »
Quote from: RandallS;131337
As far as I can tell, no deity I've ever been in contact with really cared one way or another about Christmas traditions.

 
Same here.  I can't imagine why any of them would, either.
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Re: What does your patron think of Christmas tradition?
« Reply #7 on: December 03, 2013, 03:41:00 pm »
Quote from: Darkhawk;131348
Same here.  I can't imagine why any of them would, either.

The one I deal with is a household deity; he notices it and has an opinion on most things.
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Re: What does your patron think of Christmas tradition?
« Reply #8 on: December 05, 2013, 07:10:20 pm »
Quote from: Scales;131267
'tis the season.

I thought it might be interesting to discuss this, after the alternative christmas music thread and the yule decorations/trees thread.

Ideas of things to touch on in replies:
-Decorations
-Festivity
-Commercialism
-Family
-Charity
-Lights
-Trees
-Santa (or variations)

Hoping this will be interesting, make it as long or short as you like.

This is supposed to be about the tradition and elements surrounding it, not christianity, so unless it is relevant to your reply, don't worry about that. That said, I am asking about views on christmas tradition, not yule.

You can include your perspective if it's pertinent, but what/if your deity thinks is more interesting to me.

 


I haven't talked to any deity about Christmas, and I have a feeling they don't care much either way. Being born again in the Solstice is a higher priority.

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Re: What does your patron think of Christmas tradition?
« Reply #9 on: December 09, 2013, 12:45:50 pm »
My Deities and Spirits don't care at all.  It's not a topic that's ever popped up between us....there are more important things to be discussed than Christmas.  Well, maybe not important, as we've talked about whether or not they care that I'm a proud omnivore, but it's just not something that I care to ask about.  If they have inquires, then by all means, we'll talk, but nah, it's not an interest.  

I guess I just never thought if they had any opinions on any of the holidays, to be honest.  But they'd probably just shrug.
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Re: What does your patron think of Christmas tradition?
« Reply #10 on: December 09, 2013, 11:17:24 pm »
Quote from: Scales;131267
'tis the season.

I thought it might be interesting to discuss this, after the alternative christmas music thread and the yule decorations/trees thread.

Ideas of things to touch on in replies:
-Decorations
-Festivity
-Commercialism
-Family
-Charity
-Lights
-Trees
-Santa (or variations)

Hoping this will be interesting, make it as long or short as you like.

This is supposed to be about the tradition and elements surrounding it, not christianity, so unless it is relevant to your reply, don't worry about that. That said, I am asking about views on christmas tradition, not yule.

You can include your perspective if it's pertinent, but what/if your deity thinks is more interesting to me.

 
This is an interesting topic. I'm enjoying the other responses.

I had to ask my patron about this, because it's not something she really makes a big deal out of.

She isn't really interested in decorations or lights because...they're not being displayed for her. She appreciates that they mean something to me, and that my decorating the office was my major concession to Christmas. She thinks the commercialism is over the top. She has a kind of respect for Santa as far as the Odin aspect (I hope this is making some kind of sense. I'm really out of it).

The only thing she is actively disgusted about is the tradition of cutting down a live tree and keeping it in one's house and watching it die (I guess that's one way to look at it). Since she's a land spirit whose land houses stands of virgin timber, that makes perfect sense.

She doesn't want to talk about the family aspect. She's glad I have someone and that's all she'll say about it.

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Re: What does your patron think of Christmas tradition?
« Reply #11 on: December 10, 2013, 02:08:14 pm »
Quote from: Scales;131267
This is supposed to be about the tradition and elements surrounding it, not christianity, so unless it is relevant to your reply, don't worry about that. That said, I am asking about views on christmas tradition, not yule.

 
I've never asked my gods what they think of any particular Christian tradition to be honest? I do some of those things for Yule, but you don't want Yule-related responses so I don't know what to add.
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Re: What does your patron think of Christmas tradition?
« Reply #12 on: December 10, 2013, 04:04:35 pm »
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This is an interesting topic. I'm enjoying the other responses.

I'm glad some people are thinking so, I really didn't mean it to be an inane question.

Quote from: EmissaryOfMinong;131991

I had to ask my patron about this, because it's not something she really makes a big deal out of.

She isn't really interested in decorations or lights because...they're not being displayed for her. She appreciates that they mean something to me, and that my decorating the office was my major concession to Christmas. She thinks the commercialism is over the top. She has a kind of respect for Santa as far as the Odin aspect (I hope this is making some kind of sense. I'm really out of it).

The only thing she is actively disgusted about is the tradition of cutting down a live tree and keeping it in one's house and watching it die (I guess that's one way to look at it). Since she's a land spirit whose land houses stands of virgin timber, that makes perfect sense.

She doesn't want to talk about the family aspect. She's glad I have someone and that's all she'll say about it.

 
I like this, and yes, the Santa part makes sense.

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What does your patron think of Christmas tradition?
« Reply #13 on: December 11, 2013, 02:15:45 pm »
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'tis the season.

You can include your perspective if it's pertinent, but what/if your deity thinks is more interesting to me.

Well, one would really just want to know where the bar is I think.

One (maybe 2) would likely wonder why people whine. I think they might say "If you don't want spend time with Cousin Sam, then don't. But quit complaining and DO something about it!"

Those are what jumps to mind.
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