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Author Topic: What are some genderqueer-friendly deities?  (Read 6652 times)

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What are some genderqueer-friendly deities?
« on: February 02, 2015, 06:15:45 am »
I'm genderfluid (and was born intersex) and still seeking my path, and I'm trying to find a patron deity that I'm really drawn to.
I don't follow any specific tradition, or follow any mythology.
I'm looking for transgender-/genderqueer-friendly deities, or perhaps a god/dess who has an ambiguous gender themselves, is androgynous, is intersex, or has been referred to as more than one gender in their mythology (and not due to mistranslation).
Thank you!

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Re: What are some genderqueer-friendly deities?
« Reply #1 on: February 02, 2015, 07:11:55 am »
Quote from: wendigo;170318
I'm genderfluid (and was born intersex) and still seeking my path, and I'm trying to find a patron deity that I'm really drawn to.
I don't follow any specific tradition, or follow any mythology.
I'm looking for transgender-/genderqueer-friendly deities, or perhaps a god/dess who has an ambiguous gender themselves, is androgynous, is intersex, or has been referred to as more than one gender in their mythology (and not due to mistranslation).
Thank you!

Ghede and similar Loa are a pretty friendly bunch, and outrightly considered patrons of people not bound by heternormativity. So is Ayida-Weddo

In Atenism, the eponymous solar deity was invisioned as both male and female, so if you want solar worship you might want to check atenist conventions.

In Vedic traditions, Shiva is both patron of the hijras and said to be an intersex being himself.

Really, the list is endless.
« Last Edit: February 02, 2015, 07:17:50 am by Pteranotropi »

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Re: What are some genderqueer-friendly deities?
« Reply #2 on: February 02, 2015, 08:27:54 am »
Quote from: wendigo;170318
I'm genderfluid (and was born intersex) and still seeking my path, and I'm trying to find a patron deity that I'm really drawn to.
I don't follow any specific tradition, or follow any mythology.
I'm looking for transgender-/genderqueer-friendly deities, or perhaps a god/dess who has an ambiguous gender themselves, is androgynous, is intersex, or has been referred to as more than one gender in their mythology (and not due to mistranslation).
Thank you!

 
The deities from the religious tradition I founded (the Otherfaith) aren't ancient or historical ones - they're modern/new gods, and so they might not be a good fit for that reason - but they're all gender variant in some way. I can PM you if you're interested in them?

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Re: What are some genderqueer-friendly deities?
« Reply #3 on: February 02, 2015, 08:28:27 am »
Quote from: wendigo;170318
I'm genderfluid (and was born intersex) and still seeking my path, and I'm trying to find a patron deity that I'm really drawn to.
I don't follow any specific tradition, or follow any mythology.
I'm looking for transgender-/genderqueer-friendly deities, or perhaps a god/dess who has an ambiguous gender themselves, is androgynous, is intersex, or has been referred to as more than one gender in their mythology (and not due to mistranslation).
Thank you!

 
There's a thread here which has some mentions of genderqueer deities. (I haven't read through the links/the entire thread, but hopefully it might be of some help.)

I know Dionysus has gender-queering aspects and a complicated gender history, and reports from his followers indicate that he's definitely genderqueer/trans-friendly. IIRC the Feri Tradition also has genderfluid deities, but I don't know enough about Feri to speak on the subject.
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Re: What are some genderqueer-friendly deities?
« Reply #4 on: February 02, 2015, 09:24:31 am »
Quote from: wendigo;170318
I'm genderfluid (and was born intersex) and still seeking my path, and I'm trying to find a patron deity that I'm really drawn to.
I don't follow any specific tradition, or follow any mythology.
I'm looking for transgender-/genderqueer-friendly deities, or perhaps a god/dess who has an ambiguous gender themselves, is androgynous, is intersex, or has been referred to as more than one gender in their mythology (and not due to mistranslation).
Thank you!

 
Of the Norse Gods I would say that Goddess Freyja and God Freyr, being Gods of sexuality and fertility are welcoming of gender and sexual orientation fluidity. Not to mention that as brother and sister they had sex. That was apparently not so unusual among the Vanir, because their father Njordr and their mother (unnamed Goddess) are brother and sister. Goddess Lofn was given permission by Odin and Frigga to be the protectress of otherwise forbidden unions. Many Asatruars today extend that to all kinds of non-heterosexual situations. Another who has no problem changing gender when the need or want arose is Loki. I am gay and my patron is Thor. I do not feel in the slightest that he has any problem with it. His concerns are honor, courage, keeping one's word, and such.

Of the Hindu deities, in addition to what was mentioned about Lord Shiva, Lord Vishnu once took a female avatar, Mohini. Shiva was so taken by her beauty that he pursued her, and they made love. Of that union was born Lord Ayyappan. The love-making was so intense that even when Vishnu took his regular form, he and Shiva were still "in the mood". Much to Goddess Parvati's (Shiva's wife) consternation.
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Re: What are some genderqueer-friendly deities?
« Reply #5 on: February 02, 2015, 10:46:21 am »
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Of the Norse Gods I would say that Goddess Freyja and God Freyr, being Gods of sexuality and fertility are welcoming of gender and sexual orientation fluidity. Not to mention that as brother and sister they had sex. That was apparently not so unusual among the Vanir, because their father Njordr and their mother (unnamed Goddess) are brother and sister. Goddess Lofn was given permission by Odin and Frigga to be the protectress of otherwise forbidden unions. Many Asatruars today extend that to all kinds of non-heterosexual situations.

 
I'm not sure it's appropriate to put incest and gender fluidity in the same category?


And on a side note, gods and goddesses are not human (the obvious), but there's actually a strong case for the Vanir representing the Divine Beast*. Freyr and Frigga are two of the few deities who are actually symbolized by animals and who have been named as animals. The Animal Kingdom was recognized as a completely different social structure, wirh its own mystical language and mysteries (think of fairy tales with talking creatures, or the simplified concept of a NA Great Bear spirit [using Western simplification only to illustrate an idea]). So, since with rabbits its biologically acceptable to breed parents and offspring, for example, such practices would be acceptable within the Vanir if they do in fact represent our brother beasts.

*Very long story. If you're interested I could start a thread on this.
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Re: What are some genderqueer-friendly deities?
« Reply #6 on: February 02, 2015, 11:05:50 am »
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I'm not sure it's appropriate to put incest and gender fluidity in the same category?


No, I'm not suggesting that at all. If it same across that way I apologize. What I'm suggesting is that those deities would probably be the last ones to condemn or be unfriendly to anyone for what the mainstream would. Therefore imo they'd be the most friendly to those outside the mainstream. Whether it's different sexual orientation, sexual practices, physical or any kind of sexual differences from the mainstream.
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śivasya hridayam viṣṇur viṣṇoscha hridayam śivaḥ
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Vishnu is the heart of Shiva; Shiva is the heart of Vishnu - Skandopanishad
 

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Re: What are some genderqueer-friendly deities?
« Reply #7 on: February 02, 2015, 11:43:38 am »
Thank you to everyone who's replied so far! Though, I'm still looking..
Does anyone know of any Egyptian god/desses who would be trans-friendly? I'm kind of interested in Kemeticism. :)

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Re: What are some genderqueer-friendly deities?
« Reply #8 on: February 02, 2015, 12:38:03 pm »
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Does anyone know of any Egyptian god/desses who would be trans-friendly? I'm kind of interested in Kemeticism. :)

 
Title of Atum:  "The Great He-She"
Title of Khnum:  "Mother of Mothers, Father of Fathers"
Nit is portrayed in some places as gender-ambiguous in garb and possessing a phallus.

To talk about explicitly gender-ambiguous deities.

Set is simultaneously hypermasculine and... interested in people with various forms of outsider status.

I don't know of any of the netjeru who would have issues with trans people, mind, but those might set something of a theme for who one might want to approach first.  I would also look at powers who appear to prefer a gender expression similar to your own, if that works out.

(I mean, I'm genderqueer and I hang with Hetharu, who is in many ways Very Femme, which I'm not, so it's not required....)
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Re: What are some genderqueer-friendly deities?
« Reply #9 on: February 02, 2015, 12:44:13 pm »
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Thank you to everyone who's replied so far! Though, I'm still looking..
Does anyone know of any Egyptian god/desses who would be trans-friendly? I'm kind of interested in Kemeticism. :)

That reminds me! I don't know how I forgot about Hapi, who (I think) fits what you're looking for. (I don't do much research into Kemetic deities, so I don't have any resources to point you to - sorry!)
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Re: What are some genderqueer-friendly deities?
« Reply #10 on: February 02, 2015, 12:46:07 pm »
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Title of Atum:  "The Great He-She"
Title of Khnum:  "Mother of Mothers, Father of Fathers"
Nit is portrayed in some places as gender-ambiguous in garb and possessing a phallus.

To talk about explicitly gender-ambiguous deities.

Set is simultaneously hypermasculine and... interested in people with various forms of outsider status.

I don't know of any of the netjeru who would have issues with trans people, mind, but those might set something of a theme for who one might want to approach first.  I would also look at powers who appear to prefer a gender expression similar to your own, if that works out.

(I mean, I'm genderqueer and I hang with Hetharu, who is in many ways Very Femme, which I'm not, so it's not required....)

 
As a man who has Set for his big (red) daddy, I fully stand by what is said here. Set is known as the Lord of Confusion, and I've seen that this often carries with it that he is fond of, and protective of, those whose gender identity is outside the norm. And drag queens, he loves drag queens.

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Re: What are some genderqueer-friendly deities?
« Reply #11 on: February 02, 2015, 03:09:43 pm »
Quote from: wendigo;170318
I'm genderfluid (and was born intersex) and still seeking my path, and I'm trying to find a patron deity that I'm really drawn to.
I don't follow any specific tradition, or follow any mythology.
I'm looking for transgender-/genderqueer-friendly deities, or perhaps a god/dess who has an ambiguous gender themselves, is androgynous, is intersex, or has been referred to as more than one gender in their mythology (and not due to mistranslation).
Thank you!

 
Something that's often forgotten about Woden (Odin) is that he practiced Seithr, a form of magic that was associated with women; that is, it was ergi (unmanly). In Viking times, that was the absolute highest insult one could throw; being called ergi meant the law fully permitted killing the name-caller. And yet their highest God practiced ergi magic.

Woden is also the blood-brother of Loki, who was the mother of Sleipnir.

I feel like these two together are the best candidates for genderfluid Gods, among the Aesir, at least. (Loki's not "evil", for the record, just sinister).
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Re: What are some genderqueer-friendly deities?
« Reply #12 on: February 02, 2015, 06:14:14 pm »
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I'm looking for transgender-/genderqueer-friendly deities, or perhaps a god/dess who has an ambiguous gender themselves, is androgynous, is intersex, or has been referred to as more than one gender in their mythology (and not due to mistranslation).


There's Kuan Yin:

http://shewhoseeks.blogspot.com/2012/06/kwan-yin-original-gender-outlaw.html

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Re: What are some genderqueer-friendly deities?
« Reply #13 on: February 02, 2015, 06:24:50 pm »
Quote from: wendigo;170331
Thank you to everyone who's replied so far! Though, I'm still looking..
Does anyone know of any Egyptian god/desses who would be trans-friendly? I'm kind of interested in Kemeticism. :)

 
I mentioned Aten.

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Re: What are some genderqueer-friendly deities?
« Reply #14 on: February 02, 2015, 07:13:51 pm »
I'm rather drawn to Set. I will also look up Hapi and Aten, and everything Darkhawk mentioned.
Thank you, everyone who replied!

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