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Re: Visiting That God At His House And Other Stories
« Reply #15 on: July 11, 2012, 03:35:40 am »
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This is where I am, as well.  

Of late, I've been running into wall after wall with what I'm calling "mystical stubborn-headed-ness" because I want to GET THERE RIGHT NOW!  But...I have pretty much no idea what I'm doing.  And getting there requires that I figure it out.  

My gods (so far) are fairly well defined with reference material and yet I keep running into things that aren't in "the lore", which sends me into the walls I mentioned above.

So.  Yeah.

 
oh man I am so totally going thru this!
when I took on the task of getting to know,more about hekate,I kept butting up against her origins and wanting to scrape further back to her from before Greek integration. I am not connecting with this Wiccan crone goddess,triple deity thing part of her that is more common these days and to try finding the real hekate under the layers feels always like I'm missing the best bits!
like getting a movie preview that shows the lamest parts of the movie....and leaves the best parts or all the punch lines out.

and partly I get the same thing with my moon deity cuz 'he's' not really out there ,he's up here and in here *points to self* I delt with him before I looked for more pagan knowledge elsewhere,so I'm on my own with how things go there.
and also partly my 'on hold' dealings with legba/eshu.
becuz!: no matter what folks are telling me,I keep getting the feeling or outright being told by him,that they(in my situation anyhow) are either the same being only two faces of sed being,or at least don't mind at all being worshiped together in unison. so I am kinda on my own and winging it in that respect.
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Re: Visiting That God At His House And Other Stories
« Reply #16 on: July 11, 2012, 06:07:00 am »
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oh man I am so totally going thru this!
when I took on the task of getting to know,more about hekate,I kept butting up against her origins and wanting to scrape further back to her from before Greek integration. I am not connecting with this Wiccan crone goddess,triple deity thing part of her that is more common these days and to try finding the real hekate under the layers feels always like I'm missing the best bits!
like getting a movie preview that shows the lamest parts of the movie....and leaves the best parts or all the punch lines out.

and partly I get the same thing with my moon deity cuz 'he's' not really out there ,he's up here and in here *points to self* I delt with him before I looked for more pagan knowledge elsewhere,so I'm on my own with how things go there.
and also partly my 'on hold' dealings with legba/eshu.
becuz!: no matter what folks are telling me,I keep getting the feeling or outright being told by him,that they(in my situation anyhow) are either the same being only two faces of sed being,or at least don't mind at all being worshiped together in unison. so I am kinda on my own and winging it in that respect.
sigh.

 
You shall excuse me for finally saying it, but it weirds me out like every time you mention your lunar god, I keep picturing the Japanese god Tsukiyomi ... :o
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« Reply #17 on: July 11, 2012, 09:58:05 am »
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I've read about mysteries that involve help in overcoming the limits of typical consciousness. Teas, incense, rubs, eye drops etc. and trance meditative states, fasting.  I know from experience how powerful it can be to open the limits of consciousness and that such experiences can be shared. I recall it because I think that this might have played a part several mysteries.

I intend to travel that road when I can, to see what and who I can see. Maybe to get some answers. But I strongly feel that while the veil may indeed be thinning all over, slipping the boundaries of accustomed thought processes will open me up to other ways of knowing.

Is this something you would ever consider as a method to reach the house of a god?

I think that might be the ONLY way.  Or one of very few ways, anyway.  

That's an inherent problem with trying to do this alone:  How do you experiment with substances and techniques for changing your consciousness alone and still maintain some measure of physical safety, if not mental safety, as well?

And even if you could -- or are willing to take the risks -- how do you know you're doing it "right" (assuming there is a "right" way), rather than imagining things, when there's nobody to teach you or even just act as a sounding board?

I've had a bit of training in an oracular seidh technique.  That training was mostly in a group setting, which provided constant verification.  Because of the independent descriptions we were all giving of our mutual experiences, it was clear we really were sharing the same experiences.

F'ex, we spent a fair amount of time journeying as a group.  When we were "over there", I saw the members of my group very differently from how they looked in "realty".  We all wrote descriptions of each other and compared them together.  They were all consistent.  There were many such pieces of what I can only call evidence.  Things I saw while journeying that I didn't mention but someone else described completely accurately.  Things like that.

When I try to journey alone, I don't have that kind of verification.  Or any other verification, really.

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Re: Visiting That God At His House And Other Stories
« Reply #18 on: July 11, 2012, 10:58:01 am »
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I think that might be the ONLY way.  Or one of very few ways, anyway.  

That's an inherent problem with trying to do this alone:  How do you experiment with substances and techniques for changing your consciousness alone and still maintain some measure of physical safety, if not mental safety, as well?

And even if you could -- or are willing to take the risks -- how do you know you're doing it "right" (assuming there is a "right" way), rather than imagining things, when there's nobody to teach you or even just act as a sounding board?

I've had a bit of training in an oracular seidh technique.  That training was mostly in a group setting, which provided constant verification.  Because of the independent descriptions we were all giving of our mutual experiences, it was clear we really were sharing the same experiences.

F'ex, we spent a fair amount of time journeying as a group.  When we were "over there", I saw the members of my group very differently from how they looked in "realty".  We all wrote descriptions of each other and compared them together.  They were all consistent.  There were many such pieces of what I can only call evidence.  Things I saw while journeying that I didn't mention but someone else described completely accurately.  Things like that.

When I try to journey alone, I don't have that kind of verification.  Or any other verification, really.

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This is exactly why I have trouble relying on my meditation/trance sessions (not even going to call them "journeying" because I am just so not there yet haha), other than that it's really difficult for me to get "there" at all at this point. I have seen/heard/felt some things that I thought were UPG but were later verified by lore, so I trust in my ability to do it... I just don't know how to separate the wheat from the chaff, so to speak, alone.

This thread had really got me thinking about what I'm looking to gain from formalizing some Mesoamerican Mysteries, and what I even mean by "Mystery". Super cool stuff to chew on.

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Re: Visiting That God At His House And Other Stories
« Reply #19 on: July 11, 2012, 06:43:16 pm »
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I think that might be the ONLY way.  Or one of very few ways, anyway.  

That's an inherent problem with trying to do this alone:  How do you experiment with substances and techniques for changing your consciousness alone and still maintain some measure of physical safety, if not mental safety, as well?


Substances don't scare me as much as other methods. Drugs have lots of information available about them and most of them wear off. This is a book I need to save for. An unhelped method can screw a mind up indeterminately. So I see your point. Mental safety is worrisome to me.

Quote from: Aster Breo;63656
And even if you could -- or are willing to take the risks -- how do you know you're doing it "right" (assuming there is a "right" way), rather than imagining things, when there's nobody to teach you or even just act as a sounding board?


This is the main issue for me too. Not that I want someone else's experience to color mine, but having experience logs can ameliorate some of the stress caused from the unknown. Experience logs are the sounding boards for the solitary I suppose.

A good example of this is the bad trip. A very old acquaintance once told me that whatever mind you're in is going to be magnified, so scared is going to become terrified. And this was how a random bad trip was explained when the rest of a group was all good. Not a lot of information there, but enough to quell a body so a good experience can be had. And this kind of information is available online now in logs, but not directed at ritual usually, or not that I have found. Lots of eye rolling recreational wtf accounts to wade through.

Quote from: Aster Breo;63656
I've had a bit of training in an oracular seidh technique.  That training was mostly in a group setting, which provided constant verification.  Because of the independent descriptions we were all giving of our mutual experiences, it was clear we really were sharing the same experiences.

When I try to journey alone, I don't have that kind of verification.  Or any other verification, really.

~ Aster


The shared experiences happen even with recreational use and IMO so wild. It's been a long time since I have been interested in such things, so I haven't gone a-googling it, but aged real life experience tells me that it's common and more common with specific substances and situations.  Anyone has access to the other it seems, but not everyone knows what to do with it.

So for me that is a quandary. What use is it to land in another plane only to get lost for the duration? Might be cool for the recreational user but not so much for the spiritual quester looking for a more specific address. It'd be awesome if this kind of information was logged somewhere. (Probably is, I just have not found it.) What if an inert ingredient is the key to a more directed experience? Like part of the address to the deities' turfs. I haven't found any information like that and only guess that it might play a role.

Anyway, I am going to look into oracular seidh technique to see if it can help road map wise. Thank you for that tip!

I only have tips that might already be known. There's some detailed information over at Susun Weed's forum on ayahuasca brew. There are many experience logs concerning it about the web (some of those tend to be more spiritually inclined even if that was not the purpose going in). And an acquaintance who is a far more avid/active explorer than myself gave me a catalogue to The Basement Shaman. Haven't explored there yet except to find a few reference books to own (perhaps they have the logs I seek!). I do see they have some things that are not universally mind or mood alterers. Kratom, for example, induces migraines for me and not much else. Phooey on that. Which illustrates how experience logs might fall flat too.

My time allowance for this kind of exploration is very limited. I do not allow such things during the work season, and just now I've got to be tested as a potential bone marrow donor match and I'm not going to toy with anything, add any complications,  just in case I can be a match for a dude. So for me at least, it's going to be another year min. before I can actually partake in anything. No bigs. I still don't even have an address for the otherworld yet, so I'll spend this next year studying psychoactives and shamanism etc. when I can to hopefully be more prepared. I also prefer to stay within the laws of whatever area I am in, so my eventual quest may involve travel. Pinching the pennies over he-ah. (Gah, I hope there is a helper that is not ayahuasca. Reading about that prep has put me off a bit.)

If anyone does form a group inquiry here, I'd love to be involved. I can skype/phone sit. Long distance designated driver, me.  I realize there is far more to mysteries than this part, but at least this is a part that I can study fairly easily alone.

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Re: Visiting That God At His House And Other Stories
« Reply #20 on: July 12, 2012, 01:04:04 am »
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You shall excuse me for finally saying it, but it weirds me out like every time you mention your lunar god, I keep picturing the Japanese god Tsukiyomi ... :o

 
ah you know I should look into him....I will add mind you I never officially got clarification of a gender for the moon,just not overly feminine ....the closest I can describe is ambiguous,like if it's male,it's a gentle soft touch effeminate yet not Girly male....but generally sexless is what I sense.
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Re: Visiting That God At His House And Other Stories
« Reply #21 on: July 13, 2012, 05:47:25 pm »
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So: more obscure powers.  Thoughts, experiences, commentaries.  Whether it involves visiting them at their house or not.

 
You'd think I'd have more to say than just, "Am here.  Have made use of VBulletin's "bookmark thread" function (very rare for me).  Would join group in a hot second."  (Well, partly that's because I have a lot of threads to catch up on after my vacation.  Which vacation in fact involved a kind of "visiting the Chaotic Canine at his house," but that's a longish story in itself.)

So for now just noting that I'm here.

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« Reply #22 on: July 13, 2012, 05:54:29 pm »
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Would join group in a hot second."

Does that mean you think -- or does anyone else think -- there's enough interest in this idea of supporting each others' work to travel to meet the gods or to comprehend Mysteries to warrant requesting a SIG?

(Participating in social groups is more difficult for those of us using Tapatalk. Unless someone knows something I haven't figured out yet...?)

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Re: Visiting That God At His House And Other Stories
« Reply #23 on: July 13, 2012, 06:44:28 pm »
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Does that mean you think -- or does anyone else think -- there's enough interest in this idea of supporting each others' work to travel to meet the gods or to comprehend Mysteries to warrant requesting a SIG?

(Participating in social groups is more difficult for those of us using Tapatalk. Unless someone knows something I haven't figured out yet...?)

 
I would go with a SIG over a group anyway at least to begin with, on the principle that keeping discussions accessible on the board is superior.
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« Reply #24 on: July 13, 2012, 06:52:09 pm »
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I would go with a SIG over a group anyway at least to begin with, on the principle that keeping discussions accessible on the board is superior.

Agreed.

But I have to admit I'm having some trouble with how to frame even initial questions about the practical aspects of this work.
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Re: Visiting That God At His House And Other Stories
« Reply #25 on: July 13, 2012, 07:38:47 pm »
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I would go with a SIG over a group anyway at least to begin with, on the principle that keeping discussions accessible on the board is superior.

 
I'm interested in the SIG also.
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« Reply #26 on: July 13, 2012, 07:58:52 pm »
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Agreed.

But I have to admit I'm having some trouble with how to frame even initial questions about the practical aspects of this work.

 
Ain't that the truth. I barely know what I'm talking about when I use the term "mystery", let alone able to figure out all the different avenues thinking on it can take me down.

I would pretty much use the hell out of the SIG, though, and just hammering out a common language in order to be able to start the discourse would be extremely helpful for some (or maybe just me, lol).

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« Reply #27 on: July 14, 2012, 12:00:52 am »
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Ain't that the truth. I barely know what I'm talking about when I use the term "mystery", let alone able to figure out all the different avenues thinking on it can take me down.

I would pretty much use the hell out of the SIG, though, and just hammering out a common language in order to be able to start the discourse would be extremely helpful for some (or maybe just me, lol).

 
would it count for any deity? or just some arbitrary designation of rare obscure deity(s)?

cuz the dietys I'm working with generally aren't obscure,but finding what I'm seeking trying to get closer to my dietys in the form I'm looking for I do have a hard time finding answers.
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« Reply #28 on: July 14, 2012, 12:40:54 am »
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Agreed.

But I have to admit I'm having some trouble with how to frame even initial questions about the practical aspects of this work.

 
*nods*

Yet, I would be willing to try....and maybe once one starts it gets easier. I do understand that the 'problem' with discussing Mysticism- related practices is that Mysticism is experiential more than theoric. I would imagine we might start trying tio define what is a mystery and eventually how one might go about 'revive' mysteries of the past. A limitating factor to the discussion might be how much one is willing/able to discuss publicly about one's experience -ecstatic or communicational- with one's gods.
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Re: Visiting That God At His House And Other Stories
« Reply #29 on: July 14, 2012, 01:47:46 am »
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Ain't that the truth. I barely know what I'm talking about when I use the term "mystery", let alone able to figure out all the different avenues thinking on it can take me down.

I would pretty much use the hell out of the SIG, though, and just hammering out a common language in order to be able to start the discourse would be extremely helpful for some (or maybe just me, lol).

 
A SIG would definitely be helpful. I don't know if I'm even at the stage yet where Mysteries would factor into my work, since I haven't definitively identified the deity I'm working with. Not sure He even has a concrete identity, but I keep getting little *tugs* of intuition and this thread definitely has the feeling of something like...being on the right track. Possibly like a map of the topography where this god's house might be.

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