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Author Topic: Thoughts on cultural appropriation  (Read 9324 times)

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Re: Thoughts on cultural appropriation
« Reply #90 on: October 20, 2013, 09:38:52 am »
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OK, since your saying he's the villain I guess that means I need to keep yelling at the housekeepers here in the Philippines for not doing things the American way. And at the shipyard workers for being slow, unlike US or European shipyards, etc.  

Nice to know that the good thing to do is to be an ass to 3rd worlders in their own country for not implementing 1st world solutions that don't fit their culture.  Of course that doesn't explain why everybody is jumping on Castus for doing the exact opposite of the Ugly American.

And you are being completely and totally dense.  If I have to explain what a stereotype is to you, we are completely lost.
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« Reply #91 on: October 20, 2013, 09:40:57 am »
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(I'll note that I'm with Mandrina on the interpretation of Castus' original statement; it's not a 'joke' per se, it's presenting a very obvious instance of assholishness in such a way as to imply that, as long as one isn't such an obvious asshole, one isn't an asshole at all.)

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I can;t seem to put my point into words properly, so I think I will return to lurker status on the thread.
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« Reply #92 on: October 20, 2013, 10:39:30 am »
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And you are being completely and totally dense.  If I have to explain what a stereotype is to you, we are completely lost.

 
And you haven't read the book. Re-read the thread.

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« Reply #93 on: October 20, 2013, 11:20:03 am »
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And you haven't read the book. Re-read the thread.

And you know that how, and that entitles you to bark orders at others why?
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« Reply #94 on: October 20, 2013, 11:28:05 am »
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And you haven't read the book. Re-read the thread.

Further, it bears mentioning that the stereotype of "ugly American" that has entered our cultural vocabulary, while it overlaps with the book, is not necessarily the same. But then, if you acknowledged that there was more to an idea than its face value, you'd have to treat the thoughts and ideas of others as though they actually had some value, and in the four years I've been on the site, I haven't seen you do that.
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« Reply #95 on: October 20, 2013, 12:30:45 pm »
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And you know that how, and that entitles you to bark orders at others why?

 
Because I have read the book. To call the ugly American the villain shows either a total mix up and flip of what a hero or villain is; or shows they have not read the book.

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« Reply #96 on: October 20, 2013, 12:44:26 pm »
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Because I have read the book. To call the ugly American the villain shows either a total mix up and flip of what a hero or villain is; or shows they have not read the book.

It's very possible -- and pretty common, I'd guess -- to use the phrase "Ugly American" with ever having heard of the book.
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« Reply #97 on: October 20, 2013, 01:09:57 pm »
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It's very possible -- and pretty common, I'd guess -- to use the phrase "Ugly American" with ever having heard of the book.

 
Which is why, if you read the thread, I said the Ugly American was the good guy of the story.  The book itself is moderately famous, although not well read.

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« Reply #98 on: October 20, 2013, 01:35:40 pm »
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Which is why, if you read the thread, I said the Ugly American was the good guy of the story.  The book itself is moderately famous, although not well read.

I have read the thread.  The point I'm trying to make is that other people in the thread might be using the phrase a little differently than you are.  That's all.
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« Reply #99 on: October 20, 2013, 01:59:40 pm »
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And you haven't read the book. Re-read the thread.

 
There's a book by that name?
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« Reply #100 on: October 20, 2013, 02:50:44 pm »
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Because I have read the book. To call the ugly American the villain shows either a total mix up and flip of what a hero or villain is; or shows they have not read the book.

That still doesn't explain your demand that another member re-read the thread. Why are you entitled to give orders here?
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« Reply #101 on: October 20, 2013, 03:11:39 pm »
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Because I have read the book. To call the ugly American the villain shows either a total mix up and flip of what a hero or villain is; or shows they have not read the book.

 
You said hero of the story, I thought you were talking about castus's vignette.  There was no hero there, only the stereotype.
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« Reply #102 on: October 20, 2013, 03:14:52 pm »
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You said hero of the story, I thought you were talking about castus's vignette.  There was no hero there, only the stereotype.

 
And now that I have googled the book, you are aware that the ugly American that entered common speech is not the person the title was referring to, but rather the people the book was pointing out were bad.
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« Reply #103 on: October 20, 2013, 03:16:23 pm »
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The fact is that violence by men against women is a real problem within our society. As such, it is a glaring example of privilege in action when one can afford to think that there's nothing offensive about jokes about hitting women, just because men get hit too. Particularly in light of the fact that the World Health Organization claims that one of every three women will be either battered by an intimate partner or sexually attacked by a non-partner, and that the Bureau of Justice Statistics says that women account for 85 percent of domestic violence victims. Those facts indicate two things: that violence against women is a thing, and that it's happening more to women than it is to men.

Check out this site for a perspective on what you and Castus did there. I see it, do you?

 
I tried to give you rep but couldn't, so...Thanks for this stephyjh. I did not have the spoons to continue on with this thread for the past few days. Thank you.
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« Reply #104 on: October 20, 2013, 06:11:00 pm »
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And now that I have googled the book, you are aware that the ugly American that entered common speech is not the person the title was referring to, but rather the people the book was pointing out were bad.

 
Yes, which was why I pointed it out initially. The ugly American is the hero for going out and living with the locals and offering solutions that fit within their current technical and social environment. Rather than the beautiful Americans from the State Dept who were for giving the villages US made tractors that would require parts, POL, etc from the US or at least the 1st World.

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