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Laveth

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Re: The Djinn
« Reply #15 on: December 17, 2012, 08:46:18 pm »
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I have gone deep in depth in my research into the Djinn. Westerners have no clue what a Djinn is. A Djinn is a Genie like in Aladdin. Djinns predate Islam and are benevolent neutral and malevolent. The Koran, does mention the Djinn as one of the 3 sentient beings created by Allah. Allah created Humans from clay which makes sense because we are carbon based life forms. The Angels out of pure light and the Djinn out of smokeless fire or from a scorching wind. The Djinn and Humans are very similar in nature they can both die and be good or bad. The Djinn can also be believers and non believers. One must be careful when interacting with non believing Djinn. They have no religion and do not believe there is a god. Therefore they don't feel they will be judged upon their wicked acts when they die. They can be ruthless and use their magick in wicked ways.


Tribes of Djinn:

Marid: The most powerful type of Djinn, they are associated with water.
Ifrit: A Djinn associated with fire, It is said to be borderline evil.
Jann: The youngest type of Djinn. They are inexperienced with high levels of magick and cannot grant wishes.
Ghul: Is an evil Djinn that resides in cemeteries and Moselums to feed off the energy of the dead.
Shaitain: The most wicked of the Djinn. Is capable of possessing humans.

 
I like the djinn in Supernatural. Love a man with ink... yum.

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Re: The Djinn
« Reply #16 on: December 17, 2012, 08:52:44 pm »
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The Phoneticians and other ancient Semitic peoples  mention the Djinn in various Aramaic texts, which are now dead languages.

And yet there are people who know these languages and have translated these texts, so no dice.

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The Lesser Key of Solomon mentions Djinn and Solomon far older than Islam.

But the Lesser Key of Solomon isn't itself far older, which presents an awkwardness.

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I have not been able to find any references to the Djinn in Zoroastrianism, which is the Ancient religion of Persia.

Properly it is an ancient religion of Persia, and you are not likely to find jinn there because they are an Arabian thing and, later, a Muslim thing, which of course postdates the advent of Zoroastrianism.

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Read the Lesser Key of Solomon.

But there is this perfectly lovely tree that needs trimming tonight.

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The Hebrew bible also mentions 2 classes of Djinn the Se’irim and Shedim. The Se’irim are evil.

Se'irim are themselves, and Shedim are themselves.  Calling them classes of jinn is not particularly accurate, nor is describing se'irim as categorically evil.

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She has gone to Medina Saudi Arabia which is where the famed Djinn valley is.

Medina is famous for a lot of things.  Which valley do you mean?
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« Reply #17 on: December 17, 2012, 09:04:54 pm »
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But there is this perfectly lovely tree that needs trimming tonight...

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Re: The Djinn
« Reply #18 on: December 17, 2012, 10:39:40 pm »
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Um, a phonetician is a specialist in the study of phonetics. It's a profession, not a race.

 
Ha.  I suspect he was trying for Phoenician. I really doubt Henry Higgins would be much help on the subject of Djinni.
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« Reply #19 on: December 17, 2012, 11:53:29 pm »
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Medina is famous for a lot of things.  Which valley do you mean?

"That's when I found you don't fool around with the funky cold Medina." *runs*
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Re: The Djinn
« Reply #20 on: December 18, 2012, 12:13:08 am »
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And yet there are people who know these languages and have translated these texts, so no dice.


But the Lesser Key of Solomon isn't itself far older, which presents an awkwardness.


Properly it is an ancient religion of Persia, and you are not likely to find jinn there because they are an Arabian thing and, later, a Muslim thing, which of course postdates the advent of Zoroastrianism.


But there is this perfectly lovely tree that needs trimming tonight.


Se'irim are themselves, and Shedim are themselves.  Calling them classes of jinn is not particularly accurate, nor is describing se'irim as categorically evil.


Medina is famous for a lot of things.  Which valley do you mean?

 
This http://mubashirnazir.wordpress.com/2010/09/04/the-valley-of-jinn-at-madina/

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Re: The Djinn
« Reply #21 on: December 18, 2012, 02:56:18 am »
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As I previously stated. I have gotten much of my information from Persian friends and some from Pakistan. I tend to steer away from what the Qur'an says, because the Djinn predate Islam, thus no one can really be certain.

Well, you speak like it's a problem that Djinn predates Islam, but Islam predates your Persian friends, therefore Djinn very much predates your Persian friends as well.

That's the beauty and the eyesore of low folk practice, I guess. It seems more likely to survive in some form, more than institutional faith, but somewhere along the line people will just tack on whatever sounds entertaining because it's not like you can prove or disprove it very easily. You just have to go and actually meet a lot of Djinn, and even then it might just be a bunch of non-Djinn entities thinking, "Close enough," or worse, "This will be so funny!"
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Re: The Djinn
« Reply #22 on: December 18, 2012, 08:04:36 am »
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The Lesser Key of Solomon mentions Djinn and Solomon far older than Islam.

Solomon predates Islam, but the Lesser Key does not. It probably dates from the 17th century, although some material in it was taken from earlier manuscripts (14th and 15th centuries, as I recall).
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Re: The Djinn
« Reply #23 on: December 18, 2012, 12:33:31 pm »
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Well, you speak like it's a problem that Djinn predates Islam, but Islam predates your Persian friends, therefore Djinn very much predates your Persian friends as well.

That's the beauty and the eyesore of low folk practice, I guess. It seems more likely to survive in some form, more than institutional faith, but somewhere along the line people will just tack on whatever sounds entertaining because it's not like you can prove or disprove it very easily. You just have to go and actually meet a lot of Djinn, and even then it might just be a bunch of non-Djinn entities thinking, "Close enough," or worse, "This will be so funny!"


I'm not saying that Humans were before Djinn. I am refering to Djinn being here before Humans were. They live for thousands upon thousands of years. They are not immortal.

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Re: The Djinn
« Reply #24 on: December 18, 2012, 12:37:02 pm »
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I'm not saying that Humans were before Djinn. I am refering to Djinn being here before Humans were. They live for thousands upon thousands of years. They are not immortal.

 
This video on YouTube goes deep into the depths of the Djinn. Parts of the video are in Arabic with sub titles. The video also talks about Plasma. Djinn are said to be made from a smokeless fire or made from scorching winds. This video examines Plasma and the reason why Djinn are great at shape shifting. It also discusses the possibility of Plasma based lifeforms.


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