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Author Topic: Aphrodite of Cyprus  (Read 3683 times)

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Re: Aphrodite of Cyprus
« Reply #15 on: July 24, 2012, 11:07:25 am »
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Hmm....I see. Not being too familiar with any underworld deities, a question. Are underworld deities generally considered to have just as much say over who enters the world of the living as who leaves it?

 
Orpheus and Eurydice?  To stick with a Greek context.

But really, I wasn't talking about a deity thing at all, though there are plenty of deities who partake of that particular energy and symbolism (Dionysos, Wesir, Adonis if one wants to stick with Aphrodite).  It's a deeper thing than theology, the way sex and death run together.  There are cultures in which the dead are the guardians of access to life-energy, in which proper relationship with the ancestors not only is necessary for having children but the fertility of the fields and luck in all endeavours.  Some approaches to Beltane and Samhain cast them as the two times of the year the veils are thin - just the energetic polarity of the two is reversed.
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Re: Aphrodite of Cyprus
« Reply #16 on: July 24, 2012, 11:23:19 am »
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One gate, two directions.


That's a really good analogy.

Also, I thought I'd post this article that I found about the history of Aphrodite, which is relevant to this thread: http://neosalexandria.org/syncretism/the-goddess-of-love-beauty-and-sexuality/.

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Re: Aphrodite of Cyprus
« Reply #17 on: July 24, 2012, 09:30:45 pm »
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But really, I wasn't talking about a deity thing at all,

 
Sorry, I was trying to tie what you said back to what Carnelian said about many deities being connected to both sex and death. My question was a general one to anyone, not you specifically. Though I'm glad you responded!

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Re: Aphrodite of Cyprus
« Reply #18 on: July 25, 2012, 12:41:27 pm »
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Something I truly don't understand. What is sexy about death? And what is deadly about sex (unless you're a male black widow or a geriatric with a heart condition)?

The death I am familiar with is the stinking, repulsive, flesh-turning-to-mush type. What am I missing?

 
Perhaps it is because in those ancient times stillbirths and terminated pregnancies were far more common.  This theme is picked up on in a lot of, if not all, ancient cultures (someone please correct me if I'm mistaken).  This tendency to give birth to deceased infants possibly led our ancestors to associate the two as essential aspects of the same whole as the causes of stillbirths were not then understood.  The vagina may possibly have been seen as a gateway through which life and death passed which could possibly explain why some barrows (such as the West Kennet Long Barrow(I'm using the Book of Druidry by Ross Nichols as a reference))  were built in what could be interpreted as the shape of the Mother Goddess, with her vagina serving as the barrow entrance where bodies were taken in.
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Re: Aphrodite of Cyprus
« Reply #19 on: July 25, 2012, 01:07:45 pm »
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Perhaps it is because in those ancient times stillbirths and terminated pregnancies were far more common.

I've heard that infant mortality rates were very high in the past, although I don't know about stillborn babies. Childbirth was very dangerous for both mother and child, so it was common for a woman or her baby to die during the birth process. That might have something to do with the connection between birth and death.

There is also the identification of the tomb with the womb in many cultures, and death was viewed as a birth into the afterlife. In a Rites of Passage class I took in university, we talked about this culture (can't remember which one off the top of my head, possibly the same one that considered semen erupting from the penis at orgasm to be be the same as the soul leaving the body at death), which saw the body as phallic, and when it was placed in the tomb, it had the sexual symbolism of the connection of penis with womb, which would bring the deceased person new life in the next world. Birth and death happen on opposite sides of the same proverbial gate, and sex is a way of entering that liminal space between life and death.
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Re: Aphrodite of Cyprus
« Reply #20 on: August 20, 2012, 09:17:06 pm »
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Aphrodite herself has a lot more functions than her traditional Greek role of goddess of love and beauty would suggest.


Hanging this here, but this is a question for anyone.
 
While reading yesterday I came across this:

Nonnus, Dionysiaca 42. 1 ff :
"There is a younger legend, that her [Beroe Goddess of the city of Beruit's]
mother was Kythereia [Aphrodite] herself, the pilot of human life, who bore her
all white to Assyrian Adonis."

What do you think Nonnus meant by calling Aphrodite the "pilot of human life"? Do you see her in that way?

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Re: Aphrodite of Cyprus
« Reply #21 on: May 31, 2013, 08:52:21 pm »
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Hanging this here, but this is a question for anyone.
 
While reading yesterday I came across this:

Nonnus, Dionysiaca 42. 1 ff :
"There is a younger legend, that her [Beroe Goddess of the city of Beruit's]
mother was Kythereia [Aphrodite] herself, the pilot of human life, who bore her
all white to Assyrian Adonis."

What do you think Nonnus meant by calling Aphrodite the "pilot of human life"? Do you see her in that way?

 
Sorry, just noticed this now. That is really interesting, and I'm not exactly sure how to interpret it. I think it just goes back to Aphrodite being the source of all living things, and the goddess of fate who guides mortals through their destiny.

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