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How many god/desses can you worship/serve?
« on: December 13, 2016, 12:28:04 am »
I've been talking a little with Brigid, Cernunnos, Hecate, Frey, Freya, and Pele and Lillinoe...

They all showed today up after I lit my candles for Devotions, Brigid is always there first, then becomes very quiet. I will probably work with Hecate and Cernunnos as a witch, but are they all jealous of each other? I know Pele and Lillinoe's sister, Poli'ahu are very definitely rivals. They monopolized the conversation today with Cernunnos making an occasional joke at first, then it was just Lillinoe & Pele.

I told Brigid she was welcome at my hearth first. Then I told Hecate I was open to working with her if she wanted to work with me. I was upset yesterday about something and I heard comforting words and didn't recognize the voice and she said she was Pele. I was open to working with Freya. The rest just showed up. I figured one or two would be open to working with me and the rest wouldn't, so I probably screwed up here, huh?

They are all great... I've talked the most with Brigid since she was here before the others. Brigid seems right up my alley because I want to write devotional songs and I am a potter and painter by trade. I want to go more into healing and social justice, but Hecate seems ideal too because of all of the things I have been through and all that I am still going through. I like Freya a lot too. I am working with Pele to make reparations for my father-in-law taking Hawaiian implements he found while out hiking all over the island when he was alive. I have one on my altar representing our sacred mountain, Mauna Kea, for my Druid rituals.


I want to work with the Celtic, Norse, Greek and Hawaiian pantheons in my Druidic studies and each were represented here... Can't I work with Hecate and Cernunnos for my Wiccan work and Pele for local stuff and Brigid for the rest of my life... or will they all be jealous of each other? I don't know anything about pagan god/desses. Please help me...

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Re: How many god/desses can you worship/serve?
« Reply #1 on: December 13, 2016, 12:59:37 am »
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I've been talking a little with Brigid, Cernunnos, Hecate, Frey, Freya, and Pele and Lillinoe...

They all showed today up after I lit my candles for Devotions, Brigid is always there first, then becomes very quiet. I will probably work with Hecate and Cernunnos as a witch, but are they all jealous of each other? I know Pele and Lillinoe's sister, Poli'ahu are very definitely rivals. They monopolized the conversation today with Cernunnos making an occasional joke at first, then it was just Lillinoe & Pele.

I told Brigid she was welcome at my hearth first. Then I told Hecate I was open to working with her if she wanted to work with me. I was upset yesterday about something and I heard comforting words and didn't recognize the voice and she said she was Pele. I was open to working with Freya. The rest just showed up. I figured one or two would be open to working with me and the rest wouldn't, so I probably screwed up here, huh?

They are all great... I've talked the most with Brigid since she was here before the others. Brigid seems right up my alley because I want to write devotional songs and I am a potter and painter by trade. I want to go more into healing and social justice, but Hecate seems ideal too because of all of the things I have been through and all that I am still going through. I like Freya a lot too. I am working with Pele to make reparations for my father-in-law taking Hawaiian implements he found while out hiking all over the island when he was alive. I have one on my altar representing our sacred mountain, Mauna Kea, for my Druid rituals.


I want to work with the Celtic, Norse, Greek and Hawaiian pantheons in my Druidic studies and each were represented here... Can't I work with Hecate and Cernunnos for my Wiccan work and Pele for local stuff and Brigid for the rest of my life... or will they all be jealous of each other? I don't know anything about pagan god/desses. Please help me...

Love,
Immortal


I just read a thread about how people experience god/desses. I just wanted to explain something before you guys all think I am nuts.

I have been trying to talk to Yahweh all my life. As a little kid it was easy, I prayed once and distinctly heard his voice. He answered an important prayer of mine and that was all I wanted as I thought asking for things was selfish.

I walked away as a teen, then at 17 came back to him. My grandmother could hear him clear as day and she said I needed to work hard and do the same thing. She taught me a lot, the rest I slogged through myself. It was very hard, I got feelings and hunches for a very long time. If I followed certain feelings and hunches it went very well for me, if I followed others it didn't. I learned to follow the correct ones. Then I would get dreams and visions and feel god's voice more. I learned to hear his voice directly after a long time. He didn't make it easy at all. I am 51. I left him 5 years ago, so a lot of years of listening very hard.

I can hear the god/desses I have come across directly. I can see images of them that are mostly static but sometimes moving. I learned to see spirits from my spirit guide Sarah over the last 5 months. I can't hear angels except for Raphael one time. I had a hard time hearing fae at first, but that is coming along. Sarah says if I keep journeying I will be able to hear and see much better than i do now. Sarah gets frustrated with me, but she is very patient.

I see a psychiatrist and she says I am not hallucinating that I am seeing and hearing for real. I knew that, I just had to ask for my atheist hubby's sake. He supports me but he didn't at first. He accepts where i am totally now because I am so happy now.

My therapist gives me books on Wicca etc. I often wonder where she is specifically coming from, but she encourages me to keep journeying. I am blessed.

Thanks fir listening, Love,

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Re: How many god/desses can you worship/serve?
« Reply #2 on: December 13, 2016, 01:30:16 am »
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I just read a thread about how people experience god/desses. I just wanted to explain something before you guys all think I am nuts.

I have been trying to talk to Yahweh all my life. As a little kid it was easy, I prayed once and distinctly heard his voice. He answered an important prayer of mine and that was all I wanted as I thought asking for things was selfish.

I walked away as a teen, then at 17 came back to him. My grandmother could hear him clear as day and she said I needed to work hard and do the same thing. She taught me a lot, the rest I slogged through myself. It was very hard, I got feelings and hunches for a very long time. If I followed certain feelings and hunches it went very well for me, if I followed others it didn't. I learned to follow the correct ones. Then I would get dreams and visions and feel god's voice more. I learned to hear his voice directly after a long time. He didn't make it easy at all. I am 51. I left him 5 years ago, so a lot of years of listening very hard.

I can hear the god/desses I have come across directly. I can see images of them that are mostly static but sometimes moving. I learned to see spirits from my spirit guide Sarah over the last 5 months. I can't hear angels except for Raphael one time. I had a hard time hearing fae at first, but that is coming along. Sarah says if I keep journeying I will be able to hear and see much better than i do now. Sarah gets frustrated with me, but she is very patient.

I see a psychiatrist and she says I am not hallucinating that I am seeing and hearing for real. I knew that, I just had to ask for my atheist hubby's sake. He supports me but he didn't at first. He accepts where i am totally now because I am so happy now.

My therapist gives me books on Wicca etc. I often wonder where she is specifically coming from, but she encourages me to keep journeying. I am blessed.

Thanks fir listening, Love,

Immortal

It won't let me edit again, but I heard from Raphael a few times not once as I wrote. I don't know why I can hear him and not the other angels I will have to ask my spirit guides.
I can hear tree fae a lot better than house fae...

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Re: How many god/desses can you worship/serve?
« Reply #3 on: December 13, 2016, 01:54:26 am »
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I want to work with the Celtic, Norse, Greek and Hawaiian pantheons in my Druidic studies and each were represented here... Can't I work with Hecate and Cernunnos for my Wiccan work and Pele for local stuff and Brigid for the rest of my life... or will they all be jealous of each other? I don't know anything about pagan god/desses. Please help me...

 
While jealousy can sometimes be an issue between deities, the far more practical question is how many can you handle? Are one or two regularly stepping in when you want to talk to other powers? Do they respect your limits and boundaries? (Have you tried setting limits and boundaries? Do you want to?)

Assuming the gods are adults and can sort themselves out, what do you want out of these relationships?
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Re: How many god/desses can you worship/serve?
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Re: How many god/desses can you worship/serve?
« Reply #5 on: December 13, 2016, 07:59:17 am »
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I want to work with the Celtic, Norse, Greek and Hawaiian pantheons in my Druidic studies and each were represented here... Can't I work with Hecate and Cernunnos for my Wiccan work and Pele for local stuff and Brigid for the rest of my life... or will they all be jealous of each other? I don't know anything about pagan god/desses. Please help me...

 
In line with Jack's excellent comments - how do you do with multiple kinds of relationships with humans in your life?

Some people are monogamous. Some people are polyamorous. Some people have one or two really good friends and then everyone else is sort of a 'person I do X with'. Other people have a dozen close friends they share a lot with.

Lots of people have a mix - one spouse, one or two very close friends, some other people they see regularly, and some people they see only for very specific activities. ("This is Marigold, we volunteer to help feed the space whale.")

The same thing is pretty true with deities - for people who are polytheistic, it's pretty common to have a variety of kinds of interactions.

In my case, I have two deities I work with personally, two sets of two I work with for my witchcraft tradition (or have in the past, and have a specific kind of established caring working relationship with them) and then other deities who I've consulted for specific workings in the past.

It's also not uncommon for people who have experiences with deities who come into their life for a specific reason, they do the thing, and then the deity wanders off. (Again, as happens with humans.)

There are a couple of things I'd suggest, though:

1) Don't rush into lots of deity relationships all at once.

You've said yourself you're pretty new to this. It's okay to say "Hi, I really appreciate the contact, but I've got my hands full right now with things I'm already doing. Can I check back in 3 months / 6 months / when I'm done with this existing thing?" (Just like you could if you met an interesting new potential human friend at a time your life was extra busy.)

2) Don't make long-term commitments to any deities right away.

This is just good sense, really - you probably wouldn't agree to marry someone you'd just met (or if you did, you'd likely wait a bit before doing the legal agreements that would be harder to get out of.) Same thing goes for deities - make a shorter term commitment first (three months, six months, 'let me offer you this specific well-defined project and then we'll see how that goes')

3) Think seriously about how many practical things you can do with different deities

Don't overload your daily practice. Don't overload your weekly or monthly practice. Even if you can sustain it now, it can be really hard if something changes for you (you get sick, you have other stuff going on in your family or life).

It's okay to do some initial exploration with a deity and not make commitments, just be polite and forthright (like you would with a new human you were getting to know: don't over-commit, don't break your promises, but don't feel you have to offer everything right away, either.)

It's usually a good idea to keep ongoing deity commitments flexible if you can, just like you presumably would agreements with friends. ("I'll make offerings / do a ritual X often" is a lot easier to modify than "I'll do this specific ritual that takes an hour and five specific and bulky objects." if your life changes.)

4) Some deities do not get along or specific methods of practice are not welcoming to them.

Normally, it's pretty possible to figure this out, by doing a bit of research and taking it slow and steady - again, just like happens with humans. This is also why adding one thing at a time, seeing how it works, then the next thing is a good plan. If you make lots of changes or additions in a short period of time, it can be hard to figure out if it's working.
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Re: How many god/desses can you worship/serve?
« Reply #6 on: December 13, 2016, 10:38:22 am »
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I want to work with the Celtic, Norse, Greek and Hawaiian pantheons in my Druidic studies and each were represented here... Can't I work with Hecate and Cernunnos for my Wiccan work and Pele for local stuff and Brigid for the rest of my life... or will they all be jealous of each other? I don't know anything about pagan god/desses. Please help me...

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I do not see why you cannot worship (to me the phrase "work with" implies we're on an equal footing, striving for a common goal - but that's just me ;)) multiple deities from multiple pantheons.

I think there are very few Gods or Goddesses who would be jealous of each other, or of your attention to others. In fact, I really can't think of any off the top of my head.

I think the important thing is to worship them in the context of their cultures and preferences. For example: I am Hindu with a smattering of Heathenry and a pinch or teaspoon of others in the mix. That is, my primary worship is of Vishnu in his form as Krishna, but I worship Shiva (my sig. indicates that Vishnu and Shiva are one and the same: God); Goddess in her many forms (Lakshmi, Durga, Saraswati, Kali and others); Hanuman; Ganesha; and others, as well as all the other Hindu deities in one way or at one time or another, though I may not know them all. There is a greeting in Sanskrit that pays respect to all the deities: oṁ sarvebhyo devebhyo namaḥ; lit. "to all deities obeisance". That said, Thor is high on my list of other gods in my personal pantheon; there are others also from other pantheons.

As to the "worship them in the context of their cultures and preferences" part, I do not enshrine all the deities of multiple cultures together. The reason is that only veg. and non-alcohol offerings are made to Hindu and Buddhist deities. But Thor loves him some good mead, ale, pork roast and good beef (I myself do not eat beef). I'm sure he's happy to accept apple juice and curried rice, but I like to give him what he likes.

My Hindu prayers are all in Sanskrit, the Hindu liturgical language (there's a whole thought process on Sanskrit being used that I need not go into right now). The exception is when I'm just talking to the Gods I use English. I cannot keep a straight face and say I speak Sanskrit or Old Norse/Icelandic.  :p

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Re: How many god/desses can you worship/serve?
« Reply #7 on: December 13, 2016, 10:48:19 am »
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I do not see why you cannot worship (to me the phrase "work with" implies we're on an equal footing, striving for a common goal - but that's just me ;)) multiple deities from multiple pantheons.


Just wanted to comment on this one - many people prefer other terms than 'worship' for what they do with deities (it's pretty common on this forum.)

For me, worship is one of the things I do, but it's not the only one, and I often use 'work with' as a more general encompassing term that includes worship but also a lot of 'my hands are doing this deity's work in the world in at least this aspect' kinds of stuff. (Which, it turns out, is a big part of my long-term deity work.)

(After all, I also 'work with' my boss, and with our CEO on projects at work, and I don't think the phrasing implies equal levels of power or responsibility or leverage in the world.)
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Re: How many god/desses can you worship/serve?
« Reply #8 on: December 13, 2016, 11:22:13 am »
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Just wanted to comment on this one - many people prefer other terms than 'worship' for what they do with deities (it's pretty common on this forum.) ...

 
Yep, that's why I said "but that's just me". I think the important thing to remember with all forms of Paganism, Heathenry, Buddhism, Hinduism, and other non-centralized religions and systems is that there's a lot of room for personal interpretation.

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I've been talking a little with Brigid, Cernunnos, Hecate, Frey, Freya, and Pele and Lillinoe..,
...

... Please help me...

Love,
Immortal

 
Thank you everyone for your great replies... they have given me a lot to think about.

I got up this morning and where my daily devotions said to invoke the deities, I specifically asked Cernunnos, Hecate, Brigid and Pele to come instead of yesterday when I had said, let the deities of my heart come forth. Then it was silent (which was unusual) and I sat and waited and meditated on the candle flames for a while, getting more and more uncomfortable then I said I screwed up, right?

And it was like the room took a breath and I apologized and said, virtuous deities of my heart come forth, and then there was mumbled grumbling, and more apologies on my part. And I finished the ritual with them not speaking to me directly. Just then my hubby got out of the shower, so i had to go if I wanted to spend a few moments with him this morning.

I will be talking to them again today and getting things worked out some more.

Thanks for the input,

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« Reply #10 on: December 13, 2016, 01:12:13 pm »
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While jealousy can sometimes be an issue between deities, the far more practical question is how many can you handle? Are one or two regularly stepping in when you want to talk to other powers? Do they respect your limits and boundaries? (Have you tried setting limits and boundaries? Do you want to?)

Assuming the gods are adults and can sort themselves out, what do you want out of these relationships?

 
Well yesterday I felt like they were stepping on each other a bit in some way, maybe it was just my feeling and not theirs because I would expect to hear from them more equally, and also I was getting a bit confused and overwhelmed so I asked them in some form to scale back, but I don't know what exactly I said.

Then it was just Pele and Lillinoe, but I felt weird about not talking to the others. I suppose that is up to them to work out also... I dunno. This is brand new to me and I will need to see what happens from here.

There is no regularly here, regularly would be talking to two of my spirit guides and Brigid, I guess, or a spirit guide, Brigid, and Raphael. These other gods just all came at once and I am just beginning to sort this out. In my mind I was expecting maybe one more to show up, I am just clueless, I guess...

As for respecting limits and boundaries, if what happened this morning will be typical, I think, they want me to accept them all here, but possibly get used to their own give and take. What I guess bothered me the most yesterday was Brigid didn't speak at all. That is part of why I asked if they got jealous, the other part was because Pele and Lillinoe's sister are rivals.

How many can I handle? I haven't the foggiest... I think they might have more knowledge of working with humans, than humans have of working with them... so I want to trust them for right now on that I guess.

Thanks for your comments and questions, Jack, they really made me think.

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« Reply #11 on: December 13, 2016, 03:17:48 pm »
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In line with Jack's excellent comments - how do you do with multiple kinds of relationships with humans in your life?

Some people are monogamous. Some people are polyamorous. Some people have one or two really good friends and then everyone else is sort of a 'person I do X with'. Other people have a dozen close friends they share a lot with.

Lots of people have a mix - one spouse, one or two very close friends, some other people they see regularly, and some people they see only for very specific activities. ("This is Marigold, we volunteer to help feed the space whale.")

The same thing is pretty true with deities - for people who are polytheistic, it's pretty common to have a variety of kinds of interactions.

In my case, I have two deities I work with personally, two sets of two I work with for my witchcraft tradition (or have in the past, and have a specific kind of established caring working relationship with them) and then other deities who I've consulted for specific workings in the past.

It's also not uncommon for people who have experiences with deities who come into their life for a specific reason, they do the thing, and then the deity wanders off. (Again, as happens with humans.)

There are a couple of things I'd suggest, though:

1) Don't rush into lots of deity relationships all at once.

You've said yourself you're pretty new to this. It's okay to say "Hi, I really appreciate the contact, but I've got my hands full right now with things I'm already doing. Can I check back in 3 months / 6 months / when I'm done with this existing thing?" (Just like you could if you met an interesting new potential human friend at a time your life was extra busy.)

2) Don't make long-term commitments to any deities right away.

This is just good sense, really - you probably wouldn't agree to marry someone you'd just met (or if you did, you'd likely wait a bit before doing the legal agreements that would be harder to get out of.) Same thing goes for deities - make a shorter term commitment first (three months, six months, 'let me offer you this specific well-defined project and then we'll see how that goes')

3) Think seriously about how many practical things you can do with different deities

Don't overload your daily practice. Don't overload your weekly or monthly practice. Even if you can sustain it now, it can be really hard if something changes for you (you get sick, you have other stuff going on in your family or life).

It's okay to do some initial exploration with a deity and not make commitments, just be polite and forthright (like you would with a new human you were getting to know: don't over-commit, don't break your promises, but don't feel you have to offer everything right away, either.)

It's usually a good idea to keep ongoing deity commitments flexible if you can, just like you presumably would agreements with friends. ("I'll make offerings / do a ritual X often" is a lot easier to modify than "I'll do this specific ritual that takes an hour and five specific and bulky objects." if your life changes.)

4) Some deities do not get along or specific methods of practice are not welcoming to them.

Normally, it's pretty possible to figure this out, by doing a bit of research and taking it slow and steady - again, just like happens with humans. This is also why adding one thing at a time, seeing how it works, then the next thing is a good plan. If you make lots of changes or additions in a short period of time, it can be hard to figure out if it's working.

 
Thanks for so much very practical advice, Jenett.

I have always wanted a lot of friends. In high school, I had a best friend who hung around with my group of friends sometimes, and also hung around various other groups. I admired that. I see my Druid practice in that way. I will hang out with four pantheons: Hawaiian, Greek, Celtic, and Norse.

My group of friends had about 5 regulars and many others who would come and go. All of us regulars were very comfortable with each other and could talk about anything. We were very protective of each other. If I was in trouble word got around really fast and they would drop everything and be there to help me. Activities usually were around one family that had two members of the group in it (one was my boyfriend). I spent all of my time at their house.

After I relocated back to Hawaii, it took a long time to make friends. After my daughter got in Kindergarten I made friends finally with other churchy people with young kids. There were about 5 of us again, I was closest to two of them, one because she lived closer to me and the other because we did prophetic acts together and our focus was the same. I spent all of my time with my kids or my friends focused on my religion or my art. I worshipped while I made art and while I was with my kids, so all of my focus was on my religion. It was my first priority.

When I left the church 5 years ago I lost all of my friends. I made friends with a Pagan named Anne on the internet. I had no desire to be a Pagan at that time, as far as I was concerned I was an atheist. She shared nothing of her religion with me until I became pagan and got in touch with her about Shamanism which is her forte. I haven't been in contact with her lately.

 I can't drive so I haven't made any friends. I spent all of my time trying to figure out how to be more "productive" with Anne and a group of people on a forum, or studying atheistic subjects with my husband... I felt really lost because I wasn't worshipping and that really is my life.

I "forgave" Yahweh and became a Pagan on Beltaine. I have done nothing but study since. I have read books everyday. I am looking forward to worshipping someone, or many others it makes no difference to me. I just want to have quality time for them in my life. I still have no friends, human ones that is...

I have tons of spirit guides, but 2 main ones I talk to, Sarah (a guide for healing - and she is like a manager/coordinator for me) and Jeshua (a guide who teaches). Sarah and Maya, my elephant power animal who also takes the form of a beautiful African woman, have said they will always be there for me and will never leave me, other guides leave as soon as they are not needed most if them are of the kind that I won't need them unless I start a business, so that is a given somewhere down the road, they work in the background for now. They replace each other or are replaced by whoever steps in.

According to Sarah, I also need to have some time for the house fae and the tree spirits in my yard, as well as cultivating a relationship with 4-6 specific angels. I do basic Druid rituals daily. I also want to do my spells once a week, and I have been wanting to get in a short shamanic journey everyday, per Sarah's wishes/promptings and also my therapist is very on board with this. Also more working with music and art to ground me more as well,

I try to get in time to go outside to ground myself (but I battle agoraphobia just thinking about going outside) and I want to do some of my rituals outdoors as well as weed a bit in the planters.

I am hoping to get my husband to go outside with me every night to look at the stars. He is really into stargazing. That would really help me with grounding, orienting myself to the moon and the wheel of time and it would give me more peace in general and help loosen the grip of the agoraphobia.

My daily practice would change if I was able to go back to college, or started a small business creating "empowerment" groups (something like support groups only not dwelling in negative crap all of the time... these things are at the very least a few years down the road in my mind but I am open to spiritual prompting to start it whenever or never.

I am totally concentrating on learning about paganism right now and getting healed of PTSD/agoraphobia and certain physical ailments that have cropped up recently. I will always be absolutely centered on religion. My goal is to be an Interfaith minister and maybe some other business enterprises. But my life will be full of worship, as that gives my life the most meaning to me.

I feel I have no commitments to any specific god/desses, I took an oath to declare myself a pagan and say I worship the old god/desses as a general practice. I have planned with Pele to make trips to various sacred places on the island to make offerings to atone (I wonder if that is a good word for it) for my father-in-law's mistakes in removing ancient Hawaiian implements from where the ancesters left them. This is against the Hawaiian customs (read here religion I guess, it is a mystery to me as it is all "underground "). He was an ecologist (read here scientist) and knew nothing about Hawaiian customs. I have one of these implements on my altar, so it is a very personal quest for me.

I have given a bit of praise to these god/desses in my rituals, but I consider worship something deeper. Should I explain that to them too?

I would like to work with especially with Cernunnos and Hecate, and also Frey and Freya in my solitary Wiccan practice, if they are all amenable to that, but I have to get to know them first; and Pele and Lillinoe for many local things, and also work with Brigid on my life goals and healing. But I want to be close to them all.

I say "work with" when I am relating to them as a student with a very well respected educator or something like that. We certainly aren't equal, but I don't worship them. Praise and worship are also very different things to me. I may praise an educator but my worship is directed to someone I have a different quality of relationship with.

 A personal relationship where i give them an absolute say in my life. I am not giving anyone that. I don't even know them... we only "chit chat" for the most part although Pele comforted me when I was feeling down and Brigid had an important talk or two with me, so I feel the closest to them so far. I also feel I will have an important relationship with Hecate with what I am going through and the many crossroads I am passing through. And Cernunnos has brought more laughter into my life. Only my husband made me laugh before. Now I can laugh more often...

Thanks Jenett, again. I will be printing out your post and put it in my journal and with my devotions.

Sorry, I posted too much again...

Thanks for listening,

Love,
Immortal
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Re: How many god/desses can you worship/serve?
« Reply #12 on: December 13, 2016, 04:14:20 pm »
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What I guess bothered me the most yesterday was Brigid didn't speak at all. That is part of why I asked if they got jealous, the other part was because Pele and Lillinoe's sister are rivals.

How many can I handle? I haven't the foggiest... I think they might have more knowledge of working with humans, than humans have of working with them... so I want to trust them for right now on that I guess.

 
I can only speak for Heathenry and Hinduism in saying that it's commonly held in those traditions that the Gods are not omniscient nor omnipresent. They have to be called. Hence the use of bells and and flame in Hinduism, as well as invoking Ganesha first. He's sort of the intermediary, closest to the human plane,  and helps contact other deities. When I do a Krishna puja (prayer and worship, one of the things I say is Sri Krishnaaya aavaahanam samarpayaami, literally "To Lord Krishna [an] invitation I offer" while ringing a handbell. In Heathen blóts and offerings there is a calling to the Gods, spirits and ancestors. If they were continually present, there would be no need to invite them. I can't say for sure or speak for everyone, but it may be an influence of the Christian over-culture that God is always watching, looking over our shoulders, expecting our worship. But I think you will know what they prefer, like or dislike... just like we humans let each other know.

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Re: How many god/desses can you worship/serve?
« Reply #13 on: December 13, 2016, 08:24:25 pm »
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I can only speak for Heathenry and Hinduism in saying that it's commonly held in those traditions that the Gods are not omniscient nor omnipresent. They have to be called. Hence the use of bells and and flame in Hinduism, as well as invoking Ganesha first. He's sort of the intermediary, closest to the human plane,  and helps contact other deities. When I do a Krishna puja (prayer and worship, one of the things I say is Sri Krishnaaya aavaahanam samarpayaami, literally "To Lord Krishna [an] invitation I offer" while ringing a handbell. In Heathen blóts and offerings there is a calling to the Gods, spirits and ancestors. If they were continually present, there would be no need to invite them. I can't say for sure or speak for everyone, but it may be an influence of the Christian over-culture that God is always watching, looking over our shoulders, expecting our worship. But I think you will know what they prefer, like or dislike... just like we humans let each other know.

 
Thank you that is good to know.

Love,

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Re: How many god/desses can you worship/serve?
« Reply #14 on: December 13, 2016, 08:59:09 pm »
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Thanks for so much very practical advice, Jenett.



Love,
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I didn't know who to quote or if I should have written this on the last post i made. I am still very unsure of how this forum works.

I had a long meeting with the god/desses and all who i work with. Brigid was the spokesperson unless I was addressing some particular god/dess. The final Agreement was that I would worship them in my own fashion until my birthday on March 26, 2017, then we would all stop to re evaluate and change what needed to be changed. There are no further commitments after that date, no matter what, unless I instigate them.

I wrote everything that was said down, so my wrist really hurts, but I wanted to come on here to say, with Pele's permission, is that she is a really jealous goddess. I cannot work with Lillinoe, which saddens me, but I  hardly knew her anyway. I chose to work with Pele because of her power even though she has the reputation of being impetuous and hot-headed.

I may work with any male Hawaiian deity, but as females go: for Druid work I may work with Wakea as the Mother Goddess for the rituals as she is the Mother Goddess of the Hawaiian pantheon. I may work with Hina for Wiccan work if I so choose because she is the goddess of the moon, and I may work with Pele's sister Laka only to learn and dance hula, any preparation to get there would be handled by Pele.

Pele guards her authority because it is necessary. She is as powerful (I think) as the male creator gods, (and she started as just a regular person like you or me) if not more in the eyes of the people and she wants it to stay that way. Just saying. Your Mileage May Vary!


Gosh, I am like, fried... I think I will go read the free Brigid ebook. I will try stop back here tonight.

Love,
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