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Author Topic: How Have the Gods Said, "Thanks but No Thanks," to You?  (Read 10255 times)

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Re: How Have the Gods Said, "Thanks but No Thanks," to You?
« Reply #30 on: March 16, 2012, 06:16:35 pm »
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1. Have you ever been rebuffed by a god/spirit/OTHER(tm) before?


Yes, yes, and yes for $200 Alex.


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2. Was it polite or impolite?


I think it was as polite as he could muster considering the situation. I came at him like a crazy ex-girlfriend worshiper.


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My natal chart is heavily influenced by Mercury and I've always been something of a writer. From there I believed I was meant to serve Hermes and I tried, with all of my might, to start a relationship with him. Start is a very nice word- more like "attempted to nag" into allowing me to serve him.

From rituals that ended in hilarity (as I tripped over my own feet and hocked a loogie on the altar), from feelings of silence to the idea that I was annoying him. Because I probably was. In the end, we have a relationship of "casual worship", not in that I do not pray to or offer him anything at all, but more that he is included in the grand worship of the Olympians and may or may not interact with me at will.
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Re: How Have the Gods Said, "Thanks but No Thanks," to You?
« Reply #31 on: March 16, 2012, 11:22:06 pm »
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Interestingly enough this was kind of the topic of my Pagan Blog Project post this week. I'm in a period of wondering about whether this was the case with the Morrigan. While I felt her moving strongly in my life for a period of a few months, after I dedicated myself to her, not so much.

It could be that it's just a quiet period, or I was mistaken. How does one tell the difference?

 
Ha ha! What a coincidence, The Morrigan, and her withdrawing is exactly my experience too over the last 4-5 months. She came into my life very full on, helped me with the traumatic house move, she has since retreated to afar. I sense she is away, but also, I think she is trying to teach me that 'I' have to do the work now. I blogged about it a couple of days ago.
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Re: How Have the Gods Said, "Thanks but No Thanks," to You?
« Reply #32 on: March 17, 2012, 01:24:32 pm »
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...as I tripped over my own feet and hocked a loogie on the altar...

 
Oh, WOW. I have no idea how or why the loogie was managed, but it must have been quite a moment!
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Re: How Have the Gods Said, "Thanks but No Thanks," to You?
« Reply #33 on: March 18, 2012, 05:57:38 am »
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1. Have you ever been rebuffed by a god/spirit/OTHER(tm) before?


Since the only times I directly approach Them is during honoring ritual, and then it's just more of a "Hi, I'm still here, I'm glad you're watching and letting me know when I'm about to trip on my Values.  Thank you for that"  So my two Patrons pretty much stay in the backround.  They're there and watching for sometimes I feel a 'Tap' from Thor or a warm glow from Brigid - so I know They are still watching.

Considering that They chose me and not the other way around I think has a lot to do with that.

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Re: How Have the Gods Said, "Thanks but No Thanks," to You?
« Reply #34 on: March 24, 2012, 11:22:55 pm »
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I guess we shall wait and see.

 
Would the military modus operandi "Hurry up and wait" be applicable in her connection with war?

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Yes.  Malek Taus and I have a mutual disinterest.

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Re: How Have the Gods Said, "Thanks but No Thanks," to You?
« Reply #35 on: August 01, 2012, 09:49:57 pm »
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I was talking with Bastemhet on one of my more recent blog entries about being "brutally rebuffed" by gods when you approach them. She mentioned that she's never heard an instance in which the netjeru have done this (and neither have I, actually). I've heard, however, that some of the other gods aren't quite as polite about things like this at times. So, with that in mind...

1. Have you ever been rebuffed by a god/spirit/OTHER(tm) before?
2. Was it polite or impolite?
3. Would you care to share the experience? If so, please do!

1. Multiple times
2. I've dealt with both impolite and polite rebuffs.
3. I can think of three off the top of my head - here it goes!

I started with just Aset (Isis) and Nebthet (Nepthys). I had the belief at the time that since I was female I should be a priestess for only those two (the times have definitely changed) especially since in the "old days" the temples only focused one or a small group of deities (wrong!). All of a sudden it got to a point where they were silent and didn't have any interest in anything surrounding me. This was when I started to look beyond and found Ra, Shu, and Set. I figured it was time to move on and did a ritual thanking them and said goodbye. I can still feel the laughter of that crowd everytime I think about it. They went silent to teach me that there is no limit among them, but I would learn that there was a hard limit of not going beyond them. This brings me to the second instance.

I started working with a few people in two different settings. The first was three Wiccans and they convinced me to try things their way. The second was a close friend who had an understanding of elements and we wanted to see if we could "attune" me a little better. Long story short: The Neteru cut all contact, and all I could feel was this violent silence. In the shock of what happened, I screwed up my chakra system, specifically my heart chakra. There was no explanation from the Neteru, except "You know what you're instincts are for right? Listen to them next time, because your instincts are partially a message from us."

The third instance was definitely not as dramatic, but it really gives an idea as to how diverse the Neteru are. I get along fantastically (surprisingly) with Set. It got to a point where I wanted to direct myself towards some of the other members of that "family". Asar was and still is okay (better than before), but there is that distance. Heru, on the other hand, is antagonistic at times. It's better, but there was definitely some rejection there for a couple of years.

None of these were permanent, obviously, but it can be intense, and yes SatSekhem, patience is key.
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Re: How Have the Gods Said, "Thanks but No Thanks," to You?
« Reply #36 on: August 01, 2012, 11:56:36 pm »
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1. Have you ever been rebuffed by a god/spirit/OTHER(tm) before?
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2. Was it polite or impolite?
If it's not a polite silence, then it's the psychic sense of a cloud of doom enveloping me that has never had any mundane consequences at all but it's just that it bads my feewings!

The one notable experience, that I'm about to elaborate on, involves mindrape. I'm not traumatized from it personally, but those who have no such mental/emotional "firewall" would do well to brace yourself.

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I had attempted to practice a spell that I saw online, that would imbue a charm with an indicator of if somebody was lying. It called upon Shamash and Astarte, from a pantheon that I had not dedicated myself to or even worked with before-- but back then I figured that gods' names were just correspondences, like herbs or other symbolic figurines.

Um.

I dreamed of being in a chamber-- to opulent to call it a room-- where a human-looking male and female figure sat and snacked and snickered at me because they were telling me to walk around and I was totally doing what they said. Naked. And then the woman kind of called me over and stuck her fingers in, um, places. Her nails were really long, which I could feel in the dream. It didn't feel like a brutal fingering, but it was very uncomfortable.

Then she laughed some more, slapped my butt, and sent me walking around again in a nonlucid daze.

And then when I woke up the charm really wasn't working at all.

It's more embarrassing than anything, really.
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Re: How Have the Gods Said, "Thanks but No Thanks," to You?
« Reply #37 on: August 02, 2012, 04:14:14 am »
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Oh yes, I've been rebuffed. When I started to get into Neo-Wicca about 18 years ago, the focus was very heavy on the Celtic pantheon so ofcourse they were the Gods I called on during ritual and spells.
Invariably, the message I received was a sort of feeling of Them looking me up and down and saying "What are you doing here?"
It was disheartening, but unsurprising considering I never had any connection or feelings for the Celtic Gods.

I changed pantheons to the Greek deities because I knew Them better and They allowed me in even though I seldom had more than silence from Them. Even Hecate, whom I dedicated myself to, was only there during spellwork. I suppose They saw where my path was going and decided to let me walk it through Their domain for a while. I'm sure They watched over me, but I was not one of Their children.
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Re: How Have the Gods Said, "Thanks but No Thanks," to You?
« Reply #38 on: August 02, 2012, 11:35:07 am »
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I was talking with Bastemhet on one of my more recent blog entries about being "brutally rebuffed" by gods when you approach them. She mentioned that she's never heard an instance in which the netjeru have done this (and neither have I, actually). I've heard, however, that some of the other gods aren't quite as polite about things like this at times. So, with that in mind...

1. Have you ever been rebuffed by a god/spirit/OTHER(tm) before?
2. Was it polite or impolite?
3. Would you care to share the experience? If so, please do!

 
I had a niggling curiosity about Nebt-Het/Nephtys lately, partly as Her association with the egyptian phoenix (according to Wiki, at least - and the phoenix has always interested me), partly due to Her watching over dark places, the dusk of life.
So I figured I'd check in, meditation and all.

Yep, I met Her. She was standing in an embalming chamber, wings outstretched, watching over a body. I was told in no uncertain terms that IF I should experience mental collapse again, then yes, she would be there, as part of her job. But otherwise, me seeking her out was purely me longing to wallow in depressed feelings. Basically she called me out on being emo...

The next day, I was at work, cleaning rooms at the local nursery home. This naturally involves also talking to and giving some attention to the elderly. I remembered how depressed my granny had been towards the end (husband dead, all friends either dead or 'not there').

Then I realised what was going on. Nebt-het hadn't called on ME, she had called on my JOB. The patients are in the liminal years of life, very much under her care. She walks with those in dark places. I was allowed to offer to her, I was allowed to do her work in the nursing home. But call on her for myself? Only in the most dire of circumstances!

(And any further questions get me a grumpy "YOU again? Get to work!")
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Re: How Have the Gods Said, "Thanks but No Thanks," to You?
« Reply #39 on: August 02, 2012, 04:17:13 pm »
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I was talking with Bastemhet on one of my more recent blog entries about being "brutally rebuffed" by gods when you approach them. She mentioned that she's never heard an instance in which the netjeru have done this (and neither have I, actually). I've heard, however, that some of the other gods aren't quite as polite about things like this at times. So, with that in mind...

1. Have you ever been rebuffed by a god/spirit/OTHER(tm) before?
2. Was it polite or impolite?
3. Would you care to share the experience? If so, please do!

 
1. Yes. Absolutely.  First off, I wanted to worship Hathor for quite a while, when I was in my search for a female deity to balance out the male one I had been worshipping for some time.  Perhaps because I didn't learn to worship in the correct manner that would please her in the Kemetic tradition, perhaps because she knew that another goddess was the one for me, perhaps both... I never heard anything from her. There was no rebuffing... there was just silence, complete and total.  That was a polite refusal.

While I have never considered actually following the Norse/Anglo-Saxon gods, whenever I do research about them (say, for my paintings) or I read about them for fun, come in contact with ritual things for them, I get a very, very big NO. As in, "You don't belong," a wall between me and them. And I respect that, and I will never, ever press the issue.  I would like to do more art of them at some point, but I will be very careful whenever I do so to be respectful.  I don't know if any of it has to do with the fact that I worship two deities from Gaul, but maaaaybe that has something to do with it?

My friend Kim also gets this whenever she goes to Heathen meetings in my hometown (there are a lot of cool Heathens around, woohoo!), and she's a priestess of Epona... also a Gallic deity.
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Re: How Have the Gods Said, "Thanks but No Thanks," to You?
« Reply #40 on: August 02, 2012, 04:23:19 pm »
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Yes, yes, and yes for $200 Alex.



From rituals that ended in hilarity (as I tripped over my own feet and hocked a loogie on the altar), from feelings of silence to the idea that I was annoying him. Because I probably was. In the end, we have a relationship of "casual worship", not in that I do not pray to or offer him anything at all, but more that he is included in the grand worship of the Olympians and may or may not interact with me at will.


 *chokespitguffaw*

One of the reasons I love Hermes.
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Re: How Have the Gods Said, "Thanks but No Thanks," to You?
« Reply #41 on: August 02, 2012, 04:25:29 pm »
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This.

 
Hermes used to silent for years too, right up to when He made first hand contact started to announce His presence loud and clear.

 Somewhat off topic, but would you care to elaborate? :)
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Re: How Have the Gods Said, "Thanks but No Thanks," to You?
« Reply #42 on: August 02, 2012, 04:26:29 pm »
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Interestingly enough this was kind of the topic of my Pagan Blog Project post this week. I'm in a period of wondering about whether this was the case with the Morrigan. While I felt her moving strongly in my life for a period of a few months, after I dedicated myself to her, not so much.

It could be that it's just a quiet period, or I was mistaken. How does one tell the difference?

 I've found for me, personally, that when it's a quiet period, it's usually that I'm not listening, as opposed to they're not talking.
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Yes.



It was...civil.


Brigid is also one of those who, although I didn't turn to her to try and worship her, has made it clear that she's not the one I've been looking for. She's always been civil, but when others have suggested, "Maybe it's actually Brigid you're looking for", I get a "Nnnope" in a sort of non-condescending-but-smiling sort of way.
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Re: How Have the Gods Said, "Thanks but No Thanks," to You?
« Reply #44 on: August 02, 2012, 07:00:57 pm »
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1. Have you ever been rebuffed by a god/spirit/OTHER(tm) before?
2. Was it polite or impolite?
3. Would you care to share the experience? If so, please do!

 
1. Yes, more than once.

2. Polite.

3. First, when I discovered about Wicca (I was 18 yo), I started worshipping the God and Goddess. I never got anything out of that. I was completely ignored. Then I tried to worship Diana. That didn't work out either. Probably because I wasn't being serious about it, so She never answered.

Years later, when I found out about Ásatrú and started studying it, I could never get along with the Vanir. I thought Freyja was there for me, but it wasn't Her, it was... Brighid *headdesk*. I didn't know Her at the time, so She came to me as Freyja because that was what I knew. (Or at least that's what I think now, and neither Brighid nor Freyja have denied it.)

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