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how do people experience their god/desses?
« on: February 11, 2013, 09:13:56 am »
How do all of you experience contact with your deities? How do you know they are there? Do they answer your prayers? Do you get a direct verbal message or just a feeling?
Personally, i have never had "verbal" communication with a deity, but i can feel them there, for example Brighid feels like a warm glow, but Cernunnos feel more ancient and distant and somewhat stern.
I'm really interested to see your replies.

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Re: how do people experience their god/desses?
« Reply #1 on: February 11, 2013, 07:25:03 pm »
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It dumbfounds me that anyone would think descriptions of conversations with gods was anything but exaggerated metaphor, but apparently there are perfectly intelligent people who are getting the impression that a "godphone" is a literal thing.

My experience with the gods and vaettir generally falls into two categories:

 - synchronicity
 - the jeebies

Synchronicity is a combination of things like noticing signs or omens, suspicious coincidences, weird bouts of luck, and some less-random things like Tarot or Runes. Finding a hand-spindle on Imbolc (which is my new favorite example ever) seems pretty darn obvious and hard to write of as mere coincidence.

 The "jeebies" are a sense of presence like someone standing behind you. It usually comes with a sense of "personality" like you describe, not always jeebie-ish. So a warm glow for motherly-type aspect makes sense. People who do ritual regularly (more regularly than I do) have a stronger sense of this "feeling" and get more exact impressions or felt-out responses....from what I understand. It's like getting to know someone's body-language.

The closest to a literal verbal communication I've had still falls under the synchronicity: one time I was walking alone, late at night, and I got massive heebie-jeebies up my spine. I stopped and stared at the road ahead of me, which looked empty, but there were patches of wooded area and I couldn't see much. I was going to keep walking, but decided to trust my instincts and turn around. Not two paces back I found a bottle, and I shit you not, with this label: "Good Choice". Amusing? Creepy?

As for answering prayers, most of my Gods just wait for me to answer my own damn prayers. ;)
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Re: how do people experience their god/desses?
« Reply #2 on: February 11, 2013, 11:45:45 pm »
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It dumbfounds me that anyone would think descriptions of conversations with gods was anything but exaggerated metaphor, but apparently there are perfectly intelligent people who are getting the impression that a "godphone" is a literal thing.


 
Sometimes I think they use dreams, and maybe in a astral/trance like state. But not so much walking up to you sitting down and having a convo with you.

I guess in line with what wadjet call jeebies (that cracks me up btw ) random thoughts and feelings that surprise the shit out of you, seemingly not something you would have thought of yourself.
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Re: how do people experience their god/desses?
« Reply #3 on: February 12, 2013, 02:15:16 am »
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It dumbfounds me that anyone would think descriptions of conversations with gods was anything but exaggerated metaphor, but apparently there are perfectly intelligent people who are getting the impression that a "godphone" is a literal thing.


I climbed out of bed to post this cause I was laying there thinking about it. So excuse me if it makes little sense LOL

Why don't they I wonder? Why do they let us run around trying to find out scraps about them, coming to our own conclusions etc, shen they could just say "Hey this is how it is".
Look at all the debates on deity. Loki is big lately - that one just gets nasty at times, Morrigan - is it a title of 3 goddesses or is she just one, Freya and Frigg - two seperate or just one, The Bible and its God{s?} - I mean people will fight for days over one verse out of that....... I could sit here likely for the rest of the night, but I think you get my point. So why don't they just set the record straight I wonder? Or is it the search for truths that makes the experience spiritual for us?
I am going to bed now - maybe one of them will set me straight while I sleep ;).
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...what, I\'m not talking about fishing?  That\'s stargazing?  It\'s all doing-stuff, so it\'s the same thing, right?
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« Reply #4 on: February 12, 2013, 04:00:55 am »
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apparently there are perfectly intelligent people who are getting the impression that a "godphone" is a literal thing.


 
And sometimes it can be. Beside aural sounds that are usually a rarity, it's possible to have conversations 'downloaded' straight into your brain, or a back and forth exchange of  thoughts/feelings. When this happens 'Other-related' messages are similiarly personality-coloured to that sense of presence and even tend to present a speech-pattern that is unlike yours and tailored to the spirit/deity involved.
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« Reply #5 on: February 12, 2013, 11:40:45 am »
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How do all of you experience contact with your deities? How do you know they are there? Do they answer your prayers? Do you get a direct verbal message or just a feeling?

 
All of the above? Usually, I get very strong feelings about something that I just can't ignore, or a thought will keep repeating in my head and it won't go away until I take some kind of action. Sometimes a name, image, phrase or story will keep popping up in unlikely places and I will follow up on it. I have had prayers answered. On a handful of occasions, I have had what I believe was direct verbal communication. Though, that is very, very rare for me. And once (thankfully, it only happened once because it scared the shit out of me) there was a physical...thing. Juno voiced Her displeasure by knocking something out of my hands.
 
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but i can feel them there, for example Brighid feels like a warm glow, but Cernunnos feel more ancient and distant and somewhat stern.


This is probably the most common for me. The best way I can describe it is, there's a change in the overall vibe in my space. When that happens, I do my best to open up and try to get a feel for what They're trying to tell me. Sometimes I figure it out right away. Mostly I don't. I can be kind of dense at times.

It's all so difficult to describe. Especially since all of these things could be explained away. All I can really say is that when it happens, I just know.

In any case, recently, I've been thinking my "godphone" has been temporarily disconnected. Which is fine. It's happened before. I've gone months, (years with tM) without any communication or feeling of connection at all.

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Re: how do people experience their god/desses?
« Reply #6 on: February 12, 2013, 12:19:23 pm »
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How do all of you experience contact with your deities? How do you know they are there? Do they answer your prayers? Do you get a direct verbal message or just a feeling?
Personally, i have never had "verbal" communication with a deity, but i can feel them there, for example Brighid feels like a warm glow, but Cernunnos feel more ancient and distant and somewhat stern.
I'm really interested to see your replies.

 
An annoying voice in my head when I'm praying. Odin has a "Father Time" or Santa Claus-like presence. And he loves riddles. I've never gotten a straight answer (unless you count asking who he is), ever. Frigga is more of a warm hug-kind of a fuzzy feeling when I need it. That is my experience. Frigga is a feeling and Odin, a voice. I don't talk to Odin often, just when I really really need to. It's not like a literal voice, more of a thought that gets repeated over and over. But I'm a vocal person, so I apply a voice to thoughts (my brain is weird). Odin's been there all of my life (just didn't always have his name). Thor very very rarely present and only using storms, its this electric feeling crawling up my skin.

And yes, there are lots of days when life would be easier if they weren't kicking around. I don't dream so I guessing that why they chose other ways.
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« Reply #7 on: February 13, 2013, 06:11:29 am »
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So why don't they just set the record straight I wonder? Or is it the search for truths that makes the experience spiritual for us?

 I suspect they think we're ridiculous for not being able to grasp the obvious. :p

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And sometimes it can be. Beside aural sounds that are usually a rarity, it's possible to have conversations 'downloaded' straight into your brain, or a back and forth exchange of  thoughts/feelings.

 I wasn't saying it couldn't be verbal, or auditory, or a similar exchange. I was saying that the vast majority isn't, and that the majority of choice of terminology used on the internet is for graphic purposes and exaggerated. You may take a feeling and verbalize it - a feeling of approval that you verbalize as "Thor said he approved", but it's that sort of thing that has sparked this latest desire for direct phone-like communication.

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It's not like a literal voice, more of a thought that gets repeated over and over. But I'm a vocal person, so I apply a voice to thoughts (my brain is weird).

 Oop, you said exactly what I meant, only better. :D I'm a verbal person, too, so I know exactly what you mean here. (Unrelated: can anyone else hear the right-brain separate from the left-brain?)

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« Reply #8 on: February 13, 2013, 09:50:25 am »
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How do all of you experience contact with your deities? How do you know they are there? Do they answer your prayers? Do you get a direct verbal message or just a feeling?
Personally, i have never had "verbal" communication with a deity, but i can feel them there, for example Brighid feels like a warm glow, but Cernunnos feel more ancient and distant and somewhat stern.
I'm really interested to see your replies.


Purely verbal communication is extremely rare for me.  I've only ever heard A Voice once, and I really, really don't think that I'd want to again.  It left me stunned for a good few hours.

Instead, They communicate mostly through feelings, abstract thoughts, omens (or coincidences), and, sometimes, song lyrics.  Sometimes through divination, like tarot or bibliomancy or thunder/lightning divination.
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« Reply #9 on: February 13, 2013, 11:21:56 am »
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Purely verbal communication is extremely rare for me.  I've only ever heard A Voice once, and I really, really don't think that I'd want to again.  It left me stunned for a good few hours.

 
This. The closest I've come to verbal communication was one instance of auditory hypnagogic hallucination, and it took a while of looking at other events and synchronities around that time frame for me to determine that yes, it was probably communication.

The rest of the time I just get songs stuck in my head, the same word or phrase cropping up in books/websites/conversation, an inordinate number of pennies found on the ground in the space of like two hours...
And of course, "the jeebies."

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Re: how do people experience their god/desses?
« Reply #10 on: February 20, 2013, 07:12:56 am »
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I climbed out of bed to post this cause I was laying there thinking about it. So excuse me if it makes little sense LOL

Why don't they I wonder? Why do they let us run around trying to find out scraps about them, coming to our own conclusions etc, shen they could just say "Hey this is how it is".
Look at all the debates on deity. Loki is big lately - that one just gets nasty at times, Morrigan - is it a title of 3 goddesses or is she just one, Freya and Frigg - two seperate or just one, The Bible and its God{s?} - I mean people will fight for days over one verse out of that....... I could sit here likely for the rest of the night, but I think you get my point. So why don't they just set the record straight I wonder? Or is it the search for truths that makes the experience spiritual for us?
I am going to bed now - maybe one of them will set me straight while I sleep ;).

 
My belief on that -

We probably cannot comprehend the truth.  I mean, look at us - there's only so much a human mind can really grasp.  It might be more than we realize, it might be wider than we think, but there's still limits.

Gods are BIG.  Imagine an ant trying to understand our voice big.  That there's any communication at all without us getting blown around or squished or broken is more surprising.

And, yes, there's a fair amount of GETTING broken along the way for a lot of us.  If they were to try harder .... could humanity survive it?

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This. The closest I've come to verbal communication was one instance of auditory hypnagogic hallucination, and it took a while of looking at other events and synchronities around that time frame for me to determine that yes, it was probably communication.

The rest of the time I just get songs stuck in my head, the same word or phrase cropping up in books/websites/conversation, an inordinate number of pennies found on the ground in the space of like two hours...
And of course, "the jeebies."

 
I find the same with words or phrases or sometimes whole books have fallen into my lap. In my case the heebie jeebies is that uncomfortable feeling of the hairs on the back of your neck raising.
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Re: how do people experience their god/desses?
« Reply #12 on: February 24, 2013, 08:03:19 am »
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My belief on that -

We probably cannot comprehend the truth.  I mean, look at us - there's only so much a human mind can really grasp.  It might be more than we realize, it might be wider than we think, but there's still limits.

Gods are BIG.  Imagine an ant trying to understand our voice big.  That there's any communication at all without us getting blown around or squished or broken is more surprising.

And, yes, there's a fair amount of GETTING broken along the way for a lot of us.  If they were to try harder .... could humanity survive it?

 
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The ant comment reminded me of that scene in Babylon 5 (Mind War)

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G'Kar: [points to a flower with a bug crawling on it] What is this?

Catherine Sakai: An ant.

G'Kar: Ant.

Catherine Sakai: So much gets shipped up from Earth on commercial transports it's hard to keep them out.

G'Kar: Yeah, I have just picked it up on the tip of my glove. If I put it down again, and it asks another ant, "what was that?",
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Re: how do people experience their god/desses?
« Reply #13 on: March 02, 2013, 04:28:42 pm »
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How do all of you experience contact with your deities? How do you know they are there? Do they answer your prayers? Do you get a direct verbal message or just a feeling?
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Strong impressions and feelings, and also in the case of Apollon intense heat, ancient burning destructive purifying flames. Hence the reason I tend to visualize him with hair of molten gold, wielding his flames usually symbolically by a torch. In my synrectism of Apollon and Shiva I have taken up a lot of practices that are done for Shiva in giving cooling offerings which are delightful to fiery gods.  I even have a vial of ash on his shrine to honor the Lord of Ashes as Apollon is called in some places :)
And there have been many occasions were it seems that events have fallen in which my prayers appeared to have been answered, so I would say yes.

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« Reply #14 on: March 03, 2013, 07:46:53 am »
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How do all of you experience contact with your deities? How do you know they are there? Do they answer your prayers? Do you get a direct verbal message or just a feeling?
Personally, i have never had "verbal" communication with a deity, but i can feel them there, for example Brighid feels like a warm glow, but Cernunnos feel more ancient and distant and somewhat stern.
I'm really interested to see your replies.

While I may mention 'talking' to them, to my literal mind it's more feelings that I'm putting into words

Most of the time it IS just feelings that I interpret in different ways - the warmth I feel when I'm in need I see as a friendly arm across my shoulders or even a hug, the feeling of unease is them telling me 'you might not want to do that', the instant headaches that go away quickly is them thwapping me

Some out there say that they directly talk to their Gods, like on the phone or even texting - to me, it's more impressions, feelings and sometimes visions - though my writer's brain puts those into words to better understand what they're trying to tell me

::shrugs::

Direct God-phone? Maybe some have it, mine is fairly full of static and I gotta work at clearing up the message
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