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Author Topic: Gods interacting with other gods from different pantheons  (Read 3705 times)

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Re: Gods interacting with other gods from different pantheons
« Reply #15 on: March 20, 2016, 04:11:47 pm »
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The Diorphos/Orpohs information is taken from De Fluviis (presumeably erroneously attributed to Plutarch). I believe that I read about Men in some thesis in archaeology, but I can't remember the title.

 
Thank you. I will have to get to the library and look more of this up. Its just too interesting for me not to.

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« Reply #16 on: March 20, 2016, 04:25:10 pm »
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Well, yeah, of course there are; entities without bodies are people too and some people just don't get on.  Or don't get on at particular people's parties.  I've heard of incompatibilities between Apollo and Brighid, and between Manannan and Poseidon, and in both of those cases the issue as understood by the corporeal people reporting on it was "Having enough in common that there is the potential for large-scale conflict and having sufficiently different attitudes/approaches to the subject material to produce it."

I also wouldn't be surprised by someone who could deal with those Powers equably and doesn't get the conflict, mind; huge numbers of things depend on the angle one approaches from.  (Just like there are human beings I, for example, can't stand dealing with online and who are great people in person?  Different angle changes the relationship.)

 

So it would depend on the angle you approach them?
In what ways are Manannan and Poseidon different to cause conflict that way? As in, how do they approach things differently?

Its like the post above. I guess it depends always on the deities. You can have two that are queens of heaven and get along well, and two that rule the oceans that don't. Of course, I don't know if say Hathor and Ishtar would get along. But that is a mere guess. I don't like to test the waters. Well, sometimes.

Actually, now I think of it, maybe it is how strong a deities personality is, to put it nicely.

And thank you. :)

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Re: Gods interacting with other gods from different pantheons
« Reply #17 on: March 20, 2016, 05:45:03 pm »
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In what ways are Manannan and Poseidon different to cause conflict that way? As in, how do they approach things differently?

 
Hi, Manannan-kid here. :)

I can't really speak for Poseidon's side of things, as I'm not allowed to interact with him beyond being civil when I'm forced into a situation where we're both present, and speaking on Manannan's side of things is just giving the impressions I've gotten from him on the whole subject.

The impression I get from my Father is that he and Poseidon actually don't have a lot in common, but that people tend to look at them and go "Ocean deities! Both connect to horses! Therefore completely interchangeable!" and this really pisses Manannan off, because he already hates Poseidon and doesn't want to be seen as the same as him. It also pisses him off because most people don't like being seen as completely interchangeable with other people, even if they are similar, but the fact that it's Poseidon that this often happens with just adds insult to injury.

(As far as why he hates Poseidon, what he's told me is that he's lost followers to Poseidon, and that whenever he's tried to talk to Poseidon the dude has been rude, which means that once Manannan loses a follower to Poseidon his ability to send messages to that follower, or just keep in contact, is often greatly diminished. This sort of thing really hurts him, because he's very family-oriented and sees his followers as family, and to have them be estranged is heartbreaking for him. Again, this is just what he's told me, and I'm not trying to speak for him or even for any past followers of him, just sharing the impressions I've received from him. It's likely there's more to it than this, but this is what he told me.)

Actually, as far as Hellenic deities who might be a "spiritual sibling" to Manannan, it's my UPG that Hades is much closer to that than Poseidon. Manannan is a gatekeeper deity, a psychopomp, associated with death. He has the ability to take souls to the afterlife and send them back to the world of the living again. In my UPG he is the ruler of the dead, in that he provides a beautiful place to rest when you die, and is the caretaker of that island.

The energy I get from Hades is similar to the energy I get from Manannan, and my Father has approved wholeheartedly of my work with Hades. In fact, there's a particular issue in my life that I've been working on with the help of Manannan, Hades, and Persephone.

In the times I've been forced into some interaction with Poseidon, the energy I got from him was completely different from the energy I get from my Father. The main difference I sensed was that I felt no connection with death, the afterlife, or any sort of psychopomp-ery with Poseidon that I get from Manannan. Also, it was almost like...Poseidon is the ocean, but the ocean as how it relates to humanity -- the places we fish, the ocean around the land, the places we swim...it's like he's more *our relationship* with the ocean than the ocean by itself or as a whole.

Manannan is the ocean, but not just how it relates to humanity -- he's also the Marianas Trench, the dark regions of the earth we haven't explored fully and don't understand. He's not just the places we fish and the relationship we have with the water; he's the places in the water that terrify us because they're the unknown.

I hope that makes sense. Again, not trying to speak for the deities or their followers, just sharing the impressions I've received from Manannan and the energy I've sensed from Poseidon.
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Re: Gods interacting with other gods from different pantheons
« Reply #18 on: March 20, 2016, 07:53:31 pm »
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Thank you. I will have to get to the library and look more of this up. Its just too interesting for me not to.


You find it online here. Not much information.

http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A2008.01.0400%3Achapter%3D23

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« Reply #19 on: March 20, 2016, 08:05:09 pm »
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But who is Thunor?


Thunor is the Anglo-Saxon pronounciation of the name Thor. The original pronounciation was Thunraz, since languages evolve all the time. If you go far back in time to 500 or 1000 BCE the ancestors of Germans, Dutch, English, Danes, Swedes and Norwegians spoke practically the same language.

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« Reply #20 on: March 20, 2016, 08:12:41 pm »
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Thunor is the Anglo-Saxon pronounciation of the name Thor. The original pronounciation was Thunraz, since languages evolve all the time. If you go far back in time to 500 or 1000 BCE the ancestors of Germans, Dutch, English, Danes, Swedes and Norwegians spoke practically the same language.

 
True. Is Thunor the same as Donnar? I think its just a regional pronunciation. And thank you. I'm going to go there now.

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Re: Gods interacting with other gods from different pantheons
« Reply #21 on: March 20, 2016, 08:19:00 pm »
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Is Thunor the same as Donnar?


Donner is the German pronounciation, probably best known to non-German populations due to Richard Wagner's opera Das Rheingold. All these Germanic words mean thunder. And the word thunder is derived from thunraz, too.

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« Reply #22 on: March 20, 2016, 08:28:09 pm »
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The energy I get from Hades is similar to the energy I get from Manannan, and my Father has approved wholeheartedly of my work with Hades. In fact, there's a particular issue in my life that I've been working on with the help of Manannan, Hades, and Persephone.

In the times I've been forced into some interaction with Poseidon, the energy I got from him was completely different from the energy I get from my Father. The main difference I sensed was that I felt no connection with death, the afterlife, or any sort of psychopomp-ery with Poseidon that I get from Manannan. Also, it was almost like...Poseidon is the ocean, but the ocean as how it relates to humanity -- the places we fish, the ocean around the land, the places we swim...it's like he's more *our relationship* with the ocean than the ocean by itself or as a whole.

Manannan is the ocean, but not just how it relates to humanity -- he's also the Marianas Trench, the dark regions of the earth we haven't explored fully and don't understand. He's not just the places we fish and the relationship we have with the water; he's the places in the water that terrify us because they're the unknown.

I hope that makes sense. Again, not trying to speak for the deities or their followers, just sharing the impressions I've received from Manannan and the energy I've sensed from Poseidon.

 

So Manannan gets along well with other Hellenic Theoi, but not Poseidon. What you've said rings to me somehow. So it has more to do with deity personality rather than shared jobs/interests/functions. Would you consider Manannan and Hades and Persephone warm deities then, from what you have said, even though they are deities of death, dying, and the potential of rebirth? When I say warm, I mean like, how you would say: "Jane can be stern but I find her to be very warm as well." Not many people are warm even if they may act warm or want to for whatever reason. I think its a quality that, like so many others, people have or dont.

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Re: Gods interacting with other gods from different pantheons
« Reply #23 on: March 20, 2016, 08:34:57 pm »
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Would you consider Manannan and Hades and Persephone warm deities then, from what you have said, even though they are deities of death, dying, and the potential of rebirth?

 
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Re: Gods interacting with other gods from different pantheons
« Reply #24 on: March 20, 2016, 09:02:19 pm »
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Thank you, and everything you've said makes sense. But who is Thunor? It seems like I have heard of him before, but I forget where. Yes, comparing and contrasting Set and Zeus is interesting. Furthermore, I think the beloved factor links up with fear. For instance, some people shy away from Hera due to that. But I think they go on the myths rather than cultivate an actual relationship. Whereas others have deep relationships with, say, Kali, and the religious reality there frightens me, even though I don't deny her loving nature. So with Set, I think it is like with everyone...dependent on job function and personality. Some people cant get past the function, others clash with the personality...with any deity.

 Also, you mentioned Zeus? Do you have any relationship with him, as in interaction. I ask because I know that there is a difference between myth and practice, and I only know the myth. And I am thinking of creating another thread for anyone with experience with him. I might do that later today or tomorrow though.

 
Yep, pretty much. It depends on the person, and the gods, and how They can make it work. Though, if I'm honest, Hathor/Hethert is the one deity I'm just Not Interested in, because She's just too uber-feminine for this queer polytheist, and it makes me uncomfortable. I don't doubt She's a great lady, but not for me.  

I have no real relationship with Zeus, save for a few fleeting interactions in the past few weeks, so I can't help you there. All I've experienced from Him is a sort of stern authoritarian, but I don't know if that's just His way, or if it's just because we don't know each other. I'm at a wait-and-see point with Him, just to see if it'll go any further.

I've also had a fleeting connection with Poseidon, last night during my equinox rite, and He was not in a good mood, ngl. But then, He was asking me for things I wasn't willing to give, so I said no, and walked away. He wasn't happy. I called on Hekate to help out, just for some back-up god power. But whatever. If He's going to be like that, He can bugger off. I wasn't afraid. I've been dealing with deities long enough to feel comfortable saying no.
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Re: Gods interacting with other gods from different pantheons
« Reply #25 on: March 20, 2016, 09:20:58 pm »
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Yep, pretty much. It depends on the person, and the gods, and how They can make it work. Though, if I'm honest, Hathor/Hethert is the one deity I'm just Not Interested in, because She's just too uber-feminine for this queer polytheist, and it makes me uncomfortable. I don't doubt She's a great lady, but not for me.  

I have no real relationship with Zeus, save for a few fleeting interactions in the past few weeks, so I can't help you there. All I've experienced from Him is a sort of stern authoritarian, but I don't know if that's just His way, or if it's just because we don't know each other. I'm at a wait-and-see point with Him, just to see if it'll go any further.

I've also had a fleeting connection with Poseidon, last night during my equinox rite, and He was not in a good mood, ngl. But then, He was asking me for things I wasn't willing to give, so I said no, and walked away. He wasn't happy. I called on Hekate to help out, just for some back-up god power. But whatever. If He's going to be like that, He can bugger off. I wasn't afraid. I've been dealing with deities long enough to feel comfortable saying no.

 

uber-feminine LOL. Yeah, I sense a story behind that. And yet she's heavily connected to Sekhmet. But hey, thank you for your help. I have always wondered how the hellenic gods interact with those outside their pantheon largely because I know there are interactions within the pantheon. And when you are devoted to one god and then another appears there is no way to know how that will go.

So Zeus appears as very authoritarian. Thanks. If I remember, I will make that thread tonight, in a little bit.

How would you say no to a deity? And what if that deity doesn't budge.

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« Reply #26 on: March 20, 2016, 09:23:05 pm »
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My sis has noted that Death is the place that everyone is welcome and nobody is ever turned away when they turn up at the door.

 
I agree with that. And somehow, it has inspired me tonight in a weird artistic way.

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« Reply #27 on: March 20, 2016, 09:32:46 pm »
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uber-feminine LOL. Yeah, I sense a story behind that. And yet she's heavily connected to Sekhmet. But hey, thank you for your help. I have always wondered how the hellenic gods interact with those outside their pantheon largely because I know there are interactions within the pantheon. And when you are devoted to one god and then another appears there is no way to know how that will go.

So Zeus appears as very authoritarian. Thanks. If I remember, I will make that thread tonight, in a little bit.

How would you say no to a deity? And what if that deity doesn't budge.


I just don't get on with uber-feminine love deities, ngl. Venus and Aphrodite also are in that Not Interested category. I'm just not feminine enough to find that enriching, or enticing. But on the other hand, I can dig Sekhmet just fine, so. /swings and roundabouts, I guess?

Well, in my limited experience, Zeus is a bit bossy, and that doesn't seem ... out of character for Him? Those with a deeper relationship with Him may be of more help to you than me, though.

How you say no to a deity basically involves going up to them, and saying no, and then walking away. If they are nice, they respect your answer and bugger off. If they aren't, then you may need to call on other gods you're close to in order to get them to bugger off. I called on Hekate last night just to give me a bit more power in terms of telling Poseidon to bugger off, and it seemed to work.

But if they're a bit more persistent, you may need to call on deity allies and do some warding to make it clear you said no, and they need to leave you alone. If a god can't respect your boundaries and your non-consent to work with them, then they're probably not worth your devotion anyway. I've never had to deal with this, but I know others have, and they probably have better advice than I can probably give.

But you should never be afraid to say no to a god if they're asking for something that you're not prepared to give. Deity relationships are two-way. You give, and they give, and if the offer isn't worth it, say no and walk away.
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« Reply #28 on: March 20, 2016, 10:00:24 pm »
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I just don't get on with uber-feminine love deities, ngl. Venus and Aphrodite also are in that Not Interested category. I'm just not feminine enough to find that enriching, or enticing. But on the other hand, I can dig Sekhmet just fine, so. /swings and roundabouts, I guess?

Well, in my limited experience, Zeus is a bit bossy, and that doesn't seem ... out of character for Him? Those with a deeper relationship with Him may be of more help to you than me, though.

How you say no to a deity basically involves going up to them, and saying no, and then walking away. If they are nice, they respect your answer and bugger off. If they aren't, then you may need to call on other gods you're close to in order to get them to bugger off. I called on Hekate last night just to give me a bit more power in terms of telling Poseidon to bugger off, and it seemed to work.

But if they're a bit more persistent, you may need to call on deity allies and do some warding to make it clear you said no, and they need to leave you alone. If a god can't respect your boundaries and your non-consent to work with them, then they're probably not worth your devotion anyway. I've never had to deal with this, but I know others have, and they probably have better advice than I can probably give.

But you should never be afraid to say no to a god if they're asking for something that you're not prepared to give. Deity relationships are two-way. You give, and they give, and if the offer isn't worth it, say no and walk away.

 
Ok then. My last question about that though. What if it was a deity that you do have a relationship with, and you have few other deity relationships, or at least none equivalent to that deity. Would you do the same thing?

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Re: Gods interacting with other gods from different pantheons
« Reply #29 on: March 20, 2016, 10:24:00 pm »
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Ok then. My last question about that though. What if it was a deity that you do have a relationship with, and you have few other deity relationships, or at least none equivalent to that deity. Would you do the same thing?

 
Yes.

Have done so.

Will do so again if need be.  Would really rather not; things are better without disputes.  (But since some of my gods are ornery bastards, expecting a dispute-free life is probably unwise.)
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