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Author Topic: Do Deities Care About People?  (Read 4129 times)

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Do Deities Care About People?
« on: August 24, 2011, 05:12:49 am »
Hi all,

I find it very interesting that we all have different ideas about Deities here and how they operate. My question is, do you think that they care about people and what we do?

To answer my own question, I think that they do - maybe some deities more than others though. I believe that I was thwapped by Brighid early this year so I figure if She didn't care about people then why would She bother? Of course it could all be my imagination lol.

So, what do you all think? Do deities care?
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Re: Do Deities Care About People?
« Reply #1 on: August 24, 2011, 08:11:47 am »
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So, what do you all think? Do deities care?

Some certainly seem to care about people, although how much they care and how they show it certainly varies a lot. However, at least some deities don't seem to care about people as people aren't their focus -- natural forces, animals, etc. are.
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Re: Do Deities Care About People?
« Reply #2 on: August 24, 2011, 09:04:17 am »
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Hi all,

I find it very interesting that we all have different ideas about Deities here and how they operate. My question is, do you think that they care about people and what we do?

To answer my own question, I think that they do - maybe some deities more than others though. I believe that I was thwapped by Brighid early this year so I figure if She didn't care about people then why would She bother? Of course it could all be my imagination lol.

So, what do you all think? Do deities care?

 
I think they care about the *whole* - for some gods, that's all people, for some it's specific people.  For some it might not be people at all.

I guess .. I believe They care, yes, but They are NOT human and don't use our rules for what caring means.

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Re: Do Deities Care About People?
« Reply #3 on: August 24, 2011, 09:33:40 am »
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Hi all,

I find it very interesting that we all have different ideas about Deities here and how they operate. My question is, do you think that they care about people and what we do?

To answer my own question, I think that they do - maybe some deities more than others though. I believe that I was thwapped by Brighid early this year so I figure if She didn't care about people then why would She bother? Of course it could all be my imagination lol.

So, what do you all think? Do deities care?


The heathen gods care about people but not in the way that we ( I, at least) may have come to expect our deities to care.

They certainly aren't doing all of This for nothing. Frigga doesn't weave the clouds for her own benefit, and Heimdall doesn't sit guard on Bifrost for no reason.

The world came to be, man came to be, and the gods took responsibility for us. They aren't perfect, but they do have a goodness and a sense of right and wrong, and they protect our opportunity to find happiness, to build families, to create meaning to our lives, and retain that meaning after death . They keep the world in order since its here now, we're here now, and its the fair and right thing to do.

That's quite a lot that they do: providing us with the ability to live our own lives and create our own experiences. It isn't a test of faith that only the faithful pass to move on to some otherworldly reward. It isn't a test of character in which the wise transcend and discover a new level of being. There isn't anything they're holding back from us that we need to earn, there isn't anywhere special that they're trying to lead us. This is it: we live here, we die here,  and we're all in it together to make the best of it.

And because it's like that, the gods don't give us lessons. They don't try to put something in your path to test you. Test you for what? They don't find the human soul inferior and in need of growth and learning. They aren't interested in souls or salvation or enlightenment. They've provided the world, its up to you to make it what you want. They wont push or guide you into some spiritual happiness or betterment. Make it on your own if that's what you want in life,  pass it on to your child, create meaning and a memory. They'll kindly keep a tornado from ripping through your house while you're busy with that. ;)

Its through a gifting relationship that the gods 'care' for us. We offer thanks or ask for assistance and they return the favor. Sometimes they may not care for your gifts or believe in your oaths, and they may not reciprocate.  Other times they accept your gifts and provide you protection or victory or abundance in return. Its a give and take.  They don't know what's in your heart or know some deeper, higher You that even you don't . They know you by your actions, by the relationship you build with them. They don't 'spirit guide'  you into a better relationship.

If a god caring about you means that they must have some unwarranted personal interest in you and that you're their pet project spiritually, than the heathen gods can seem a bit uncaring. If a god caring for you means that they keep chaos and disaster from descending on you so that you can live your life and that they'll hear you out when you come calling, then they care a lot.  That type of relationship and dynamic isn't for everyone, though.
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Re: Do Deities Care About People?
« Reply #4 on: August 24, 2011, 11:09:11 am »
Quote from: rocquelaire;15302
I find it very interesting that we all have different ideas about Deities here and how they operate. My question is, do you think that they care about people and what we do?

 
Yes.  No.  Other.

It's a large cosmos.  Most gods are concerned with the big gears in the cosmic clockwork.  And the thing about the big gears in the cosmic clockwork is that they turn, with ponderous inevitability and force.  The sun comes up; the sun goes down.

If by 'care about people' you mean 'fish people out from between the big gears in the cosmos before they get crushed by the inevitability of its workings', the answer is no: it's a rare god that will ever consider bothering with that sort of micromanagement.  The big gears go where they must.

Humanity, as a collective entity, sums up to one of those big gears, though.  Which means that the gods will have some concern about whether that big gear is meshing with the rest of the stuff or out of whack.  And that big gearbox is made up of little gears, each of us individually, which means that some gods may be into adjusting the little gears in order to produce a more functional big Humanity Gearbox, or producing things that will overall make the gear maintenance less irritating.  (Some religious codes can have this function.)

Individual gods may also have individual fondness for individual humans.  This will almost certainly not override the 'you climbed in between the big gears, you idiot?  Sucks to be you' principle except in extreme cases.
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Re: Do Deities Care About People?
« Reply #5 on: August 24, 2011, 07:52:20 pm »
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Some certainly seem to care about people, although how much they care and how they show it certainly varies a lot. However, at least some deities don't seem to care about people as people aren't their focus -- natural forces, animals, etc. are.


This.

I mostly deal with 2 gods from the Olympian pantheon, and both care about me, but they do show it differently.  Quite differently, in fact!
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Re: Do Deities Care About People?
« Reply #6 on: August 25, 2011, 04:31:29 am »
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So, what do you all think? Do deities care?


Depends on the deity.

Of the four I've had contact with, I'm certain that two of them (the two I belong to) care about me, one has something to teach me but doesn't care about me, and one has an interest in me that could never be described as 'caring' but is certainly insistent.

But the caring (and love) of deities isn't the same as humans, and in my experience isn't the same as the way many Christians believe Jesus loves and cares for them. Even at its warmest, it's still the caring of something very, very old, and very, very huge. I like the way Darkhawk described it - it's not quite what I believe, but close. Even a deity that cares for you isn't going to disturb the way of things for your sake, that's just not an option.
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Re: Do Deities Care About People?
« Reply #7 on: August 26, 2011, 03:53:16 am »
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Depends on the deity.

Of the four I've had contact with, I'm certain that two of them (the two I belong to) care about me, one has something to teach me but doesn't care about me, and one has an interest in me that could never be described as 'caring' but is certainly insistent.

But the caring (and love) of deities isn't the same as humans, and in my experience isn't the same as the way many Christians believe Jesus loves and cares for them. Even at its warmest, it's still the caring of something very, very old, and very, very huge. I like the way Darkhawk described it - it's not quite what I believe, but close. Even a deity that cares for you isn't going to disturb the way of things for your sake, that's just not an option.

 
This.

I think they can care for us in a way that is both more pure and more primal than we can fully wrap our mind around.

They can be loyal, be of guidance and comford and smooth over certain difficulties out of love, but the fact remains that They see life and death and pain from a very different, higher perspective.

Exemple: I trust my Lady protection and care, and I think She will help me out of my troubles... but I don't expect this means that my strenght will never tested or that i shall not change myself or put in any effort in order to get over those issues that are creating my troubles in first place. I believe we go through every incarnation with a precise purpose, and that this is why life looks often hard to us, even when we recognize we are luckier than others. I think no god or goddess, no matter how loving, would take that burden off our shoulders. I think that if a certain anguish or test is supposed to make us stronger or wiser, deities will let you suffer it, even if they can feel compassionate towards you.

I don't necessarily think that deities care about every single human on the planet in the same capacity as they should have their free likes or dislikes as all sentient beings.
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Re: Do Deities Care About People?
« Reply #8 on: August 26, 2011, 11:20:30 am »
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I like the way Darkhawk described it - it's not quite what I believe, but close. Even a deity that cares for you isn't going to disturb the way of things for your sake, that's just not an option.

 
It doesn't matter how fond Neb.y Set is of me, we still tied down the patio furniture and the baby slide because there's a hurricane due to come through. ;)
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Re: Do Deities Care About People?
« Reply #9 on: August 26, 2011, 11:28:27 am »
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It doesn't matter how fond Neb.y Set is of me, we still tied down the patio furniture and the baby slide because there's a hurricane due to come through. ;)


*nods* We're still going to put the patio furniture in the shed, etc.
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Re: Do Deities Care About People?
« Reply #10 on: August 27, 2011, 12:04:28 am »
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It doesn't matter how fond Neb.y Set is of me, we still tied down the patio furniture and the baby slide because there's a hurricane due to come through. ;)

Haha, indeed! :P
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Re: Do Deities Care About People?
« Reply #11 on: August 27, 2011, 01:55:20 am »
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So, what do you all think? Do deities care?

 
Regarding the Ones I worship: They care about me insofar as They need me to do Their work. If I'm not functioning, I'm not useful to Them. Following that, They take care of me. If I continually refuse to be what They want me to be, They leave. And I smarten up, because the absence of Them is a fate worse than death.

Other than that personal insight, I'm in agreement with Darkhawk.
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Re: Do Deities Care About People?
« Reply #12 on: August 27, 2011, 02:25:08 pm »
Quote from: rocquelaire;15302
Hi all,

I find it very interesting that we all have different ideas about Deities here and how they operate. My question is, do you think that they care about people and what we do?

To answer my own question, I think that they do - maybe some deities more than others though. I believe that I was thwapped by Brighid early this year so I figure if She didn't care about people then why would She bother? Of course it could all be my imagination lol.

So, what do you all think? Do deities care?

 
Personally yes I think deities care about people. Even people who do not believe. Deities I think try to show us things everyday but we need to be more aware and open to there ideas. Some people may say "well then why do they cause natural disasters" who says they ever did. If they care for us they wouldnt. But then again if they care for our planet and want to tell us to shapen up, then maybe they do. Who knows. But yes I do think deities care about us and our actions :)

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