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Author Topic: 1890 wood engraving of The Kingdom of Hades w/ Hecate  (Read 1283 times)

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1890 wood engraving of The Kingdom of Hades w/ Hecate
« on: August 17, 2012, 08:54:41 am »
The attached image is listed as The Kingdom of Hades.  I recently purchased said item due to the inclusion of Hecate.  Yet all the write ups for this item have only focused upon the presence of Persephone, Hades, and Eryins as named individuals.

The attached image shows an image of Hecate with her twin torches.  Yet it contains two items that I have not found on any other items.  The first is the Iynx or Hecate's Wheel image that is depicted to the right of one of her torches and above her head.  The second item would be what appears to be a feline behind her legs.

Now the Iynx image clearly is not that which is commonly known as Hecate's Wheel.  Yet it matches other imagery of Iynx's.  It's prominate position above Hecate seem's to clearly indicate it is associated to her alone of all the figure's displayed upon the image.  Besides this image I am only aware of one other item which depicts both Hecate and the image of a Iynx or Jinx.

The cat like creature seem's to be Leopard based upon the ringlet like images upon its body.  Yet to my knowledge Hecate has only been associated to the Lion.  Yet the image seems to clearly indicate that it is not a lion being depicted.  

The item itself is an 1890 wood engraving based upon a vase.  Todate I have not been able to locate an image of the actual vase used to create this print.

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Re: 1890 wood engraving of The Kingdom of Hades w/ Hecate
« Reply #1 on: August 17, 2012, 04:08:04 pm »
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The attached image is listed as The Kingdom of Hades.  I recently purchased said item due to the inclusion of Hecate.  Yet all the write ups for this item have only focused upon the presence of Persephone, Hades, and Eryins as named individuals.

The attached image shows an image of Hecate with her twin torches.  Yet it contains two items that I have not found on any other items.  The first is the Iynx or Hecate's Wheel image that is depicted to the right of one of her torches and above her head.  The second item would be what appears to be a feline behind her legs.

Now the Iynx image clearly is not that which is commonly known as Hecate's Wheel.  Yet it matches other imagery of Iynx's.  It's prominate position above Hecate seem's to clearly indicate it is associated to her alone of all the figure's displayed upon the image.  Besides this image I am only aware of one other item which depicts both Hecate and the image of a Iynx or Jinx.

The cat like creature seem's to be Leopard based upon the ringlet like images upon its body.  Yet to my knowledge Hecate has only been associated to the Lion.  Yet the image seems to clearly indicate that it is not a lion being depicted.  

The item itself is an 1890 wood engraving based upon a vase.  Todate I have not been able to locate an image of the actual vase used to create this print.

 
I know theoi.com mentions the polecat being associated with her based off a interpretation of writings,so maybe it's a polecat.
there's something attached to her heel as well,is that a Hermes messenger reference.
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Re: 1890 wood engraving of The Kingdom of Hades w/ Hecate
« Reply #2 on: August 17, 2012, 04:26:14 pm »
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I know theoi.com mentions the polecat being associated with her based off a interpretation of writings,so maybe it's a polecat.
there's something attached to her heel as well,is that a Hermes messenger reference.


I don't think so, a polecat in usage to Hecate / Hekate refers to a weasel.  That would make for one giant weasel if that is what it is.  I though there was something attached to her right heel as well then looked closer and its the paw from the other rear leg of the cat creature.

This thread here also talks about what I think the weasel was.   http://www.ecauldron.com/forum/showthread.php?3427-Hekate-and-the-supposed-sacred-Weasel-(Polecat)

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Re: 1890 wood engraving of The Kingdom of Hades w/ Hecate
« Reply #3 on: August 17, 2012, 06:00:18 pm »
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I don't think so, a polecat in usage to Hecate / Hekate refers to a weasel.  That would make for one giant weasel if that is what it is.  I though there was something attached to her right heel as well then looked closer and its the paw from the other rear leg of the cat creature.

This thread here also talks about what I think the weasel was.   http://www.ecauldron.com/forum/showthread.php?3427-Hekate-and-the-supposed-sacred-Weasel-(Polecat)

 
artistic license?
maybe it's a hekate-Artemis combo....so that's a leapord or cheetah?
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Re: 1890 wood engraving of The Kingdom of Hades w/ Hecate
« Reply #4 on: August 17, 2012, 06:09:09 pm »
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artistic license?
maybe it's a hekate-Artemis combo....so that's a leapord or cheetah?


I had though of that but there is no underworld connection for Artemis.  Most conflating with Artemis i've seen is with regard to the wilderness not the chthonic facet of Hecate / Hekate.  The leopard / cheetah does make me think of Cybele / Kybele as a possibility.  Cybele / Kybele is associated with large cats though most seem to be a lioness.  Hecate / Hekate is also conflated with Cybele / Kybele in parts of Anatolia in various parts of what is modern Turkey.

I suppose it could be a styilized Lioness as they at times have spots.  The lioness would also fit to some Chaldean aspects of Hecate / Hekate.

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Re: 1890 wood engraving of The Kingdom of Hades w/ Hecate
« Reply #5 on: August 17, 2012, 06:15:38 pm »
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artistic license?
maybe it's a hekate-Artemis combo....so that's a leapord or cheetah?


Possibly both Goddesses share attributes and functions. Although the cat figure puts me in mind of Kybele especially as it is close to the throned figure
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Re: 1890 wood engraving of The Kingdom of Hades w/ Hecate
« Reply #6 on: August 17, 2012, 09:33:21 pm »
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Possibly both Goddesses share attributes and functions. Although the cat figure puts me in mind of Kybele especially as it is close to the throned figure

 
I'm not familiar with kybele,but sounds like a possibility to me.
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Re: 1890 wood engraving of The Kingdom of Hades w/ Hecate
« Reply #7 on: August 17, 2012, 09:41:55 pm »
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I don't think so, a polecat in usage to Hecate / Hekate refers to a weasel.  That would make for one giant weasel if that is what it is.

It's possible the artist did not know that a polecat meant a weasel.
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Re: 1890 wood engraving of The Kingdom of Hades w/ Hecate
« Reply #8 on: August 17, 2012, 10:20:20 pm »
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It's possible the artist did not know that a polecat meant a weasel.


That could be a possibility.  Yet, It's supposed to be an engraving based upon an earlier vase which I would think for the time frame they would know that a polecat was a weasel.

That's one of the reasons i've been trying to discover which vase the engraving is from so I can get a date or time frame.  With the inclusion of the lynx in the engraving I'm assuming its from the Roman period, perhaps 1st - 5th century A.D.  But I think we all know what assume means in that regard.

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Re: 1890 wood engraving of The Kingdom of Hades w/ Hecate
« Reply #9 on: August 18, 2012, 08:36:58 am »
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With the inclusion of the lynx in the engraving I'm assuming its from the Roman period, perhaps 1st - 5th century A.D.  But I think we all know what assume means in that regard.

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