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Demeter, Despoina & Persephone (aka we are family..)
« on: July 22, 2013, 05:57:58 am »
I've been working with Demeter for the last few months and it's been great, it just feels like a natural fit. Which is great, granted I need to put more effort in, but She's very patient...luckily for me :whis:

However recently, and I mean really recently I've started to read up about Persephone and Despoina. I guess it just seems like a natural progression as Persephone and Demeter's myth are so firmly linked together. As for Despoina, well I guess I find her interesting as there is scant information on her.

Which leads me nicely to my question; who works with Persephone and/or Despoina? What are they like to work with?

Also, on a slightly related note has anyone found themselves drawn to deities that are connected to a deity they already worship? E.g siblings, consorts, offspring etc... If so what drew you to them?

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Re: Demeter, Despoina & Persephone (aka we are family..)
« Reply #1 on: July 22, 2013, 07:40:29 am »
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I've been working with Demeter for the last few months and it's been great, it just feels like a natural fit. Which is great, granted I need to put more effort in, but She's very patient...luckily for me :whis:

However recently, and I mean really recently I've started to read up about Persephone and Despoina. I guess it just seems like a natural progression as Persephone and Demeter's myth are so firmly linked together. As for Despoina, well I guess I find her interesting as there is scant information on her.

Which leads me nicely to my question; who works with Persephone and/or Despoina? What are they like to work with?

Also, on a slightly related note has anyone found themselves drawn to deities that are connected to a deity they already worship? E.g siblings, consorts, offspring etc... If so what drew you to them?


I work with Persephone and consider her to be my patron Goddess... that being said I view deities as an allegorical way of channeling and understanding energy, so that obviously colors my experiences as well as the fact that I am definitely not a recon.

To answer your last question, as an extension of my work for Persephone I end up also honoring and thinking of Hades frequently, as well as Demeter. Those two deities are closely linked to her so it feels natural. I tend to more strongly honor/think of Hades than Demeter. For me it's largely because of personal experience- I lost my mother at a tender age and was very stunted emotionally by family and that trauma, all wrapped up in unwitting control of my mother. It wasn't until I met my husband and put considerable physical distance and reasonable emotional distance between that and myself that I began to really come into my own as a person, which is why Persephone and her story really called to me. Given that personal backstory I think it's understandable why I feel more strongly about Hades and feel relatively comfortable with darker deities.

As far as what its like to work with her, I would personally say there's at least a certain amount of willingness required to endure despite being.. uncomfortable, I suppose, at times. She's tied to rejuvination and fertility but there is no divorcing her from the absolute neccessity of death that she represents. The bulk of her power as the Queen and consort of Hades is during the hard, unyielding, cold days of winter which isn't the typical time for sex and relationship magic/energy, but following her, it is. Those are things you can't get around but must acknowledge and work with up front. That said I find it to ultimately be very grounding and rewarding.

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Re: Demeter, Despoina & Persephone (aka we are family..)
« Reply #2 on: July 22, 2013, 10:21:34 am »
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Also, on a slightly related note has anyone found themselves drawn to deities that are connected to a deity they already worship? E.g siblings, consorts, offspring etc... If so what drew you to them?


Not Hellenic, but...oh goodness, yes. Starting from Bast, I also ended up with the Seven Arrows of Bast (Nefertem, Heru-hekenu, Khonsu-Heru, Wadjet [UPG], Wenut, Heryshef [UPG]--and Bast, who is one of Her own Arrows, yes, it's complicated). The first three are also Her sons, and with the addition of Ma'ahes I've recently started working on rituals and so forth for the Four Sons of Bast. (She has consorts too, but they're more abstract for me at the moment.)

And it's not so much that anything drew *me* to them as that they basically started coming out of the woodwork. : P  Heru-hekenu turned up first--can't remember the exact circumstances, but it probably involved coming across his name in Naville's Bubastis or Habachi's Tell Basta and getting hooked--and then all the rest of them. I guess they wanted a piece of the modern-day action. ^_^

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Re: Demeter, Despoina & Persephone (aka we are family..)
« Reply #3 on: July 22, 2013, 10:09:20 pm »
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Which leads me nicely to my question; who works with Persephone and/or Despoina? What are they like to work with?

Also, on a slightly related note has anyone found themselves drawn to deities that are connected to a deity they already worship? E.g siblings, consorts, offspring etc... If so what drew you to them?

 


I consider Persephone my patron as well but oddly, do not work with either Hades or Demeter. With Hades, I respect him but give a very wide distance. He doesn't seem to have any interest in me and I'm okay with that. When it comes to Demeter though....everything just seems flat. I don't get bad vibes from her, just the knowing that this isn't going to work. If anything, she reminds me of my mother, who I love - but we have vastly different energies and I'd waste more energy trying to mesh ours together than actually using it.


As far as working with Persephone goes specifically: she's like a quiet warmth in the dark - it's not any brighter but it feels brighter to have her there. She's excellent for learning to trust your own intuition, coming into your own power and self-possession.

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Re: Demeter, Despoina & Persephone (aka we are family..)
« Reply #4 on: July 23, 2013, 01:54:17 pm »
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Which leads me nicely to my question; who works with Persephone and/or Despoina? What are they like to work with?

 
So I read some place that Despoine (/Despoena) was the daughter of Demeter and worshiped alongside her mother and only to the initiates of the cult were her true name revealed. So I wondered how much you have to share on her? if you think that Despoine is her true name, or if there is another name hidden behind. Do you think it might actually be another name for Persephone in this example?

I also read that both Artemis and Hekate bore the title despoine, and it is the latter of the two I feel attracted towards regarding that name/title.
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Re: Demeter, Despoina & Persephone (aka we are family..)
« Reply #5 on: July 23, 2013, 05:51:54 pm »
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To answer your last question, as an extension of my work for Persephone I end up also honoring and thinking of Hades frequently, as well as Demeter. Those two deities are closely linked to her so it feels natural. I tend to more strongly honor/think of Hades than Demeter. For me it's largely because of personal experience- I lost my mother at a tender age and was very stunted emotionally by family and that trauma, all wrapped up in unwitting control of my mother. It wasn't until I met my husband and put considerable physical distance and reasonable emotional distance between that and myself that I began to really come into my own as a person, which is why Persephone and her story really called to me. Given that personal backstory I think it's understandable why I feel more strongly about Hades and feel relatively comfortable with darker deities.


I never really think about Hades, then again I never feel a big pull towards male deities. That's how I feel about Persephone- it feels natural as I'm already working with Demeter. I guess it's also do with the sense of loss and grief that their story carries; I lost a close relative recently so the story has taken on a deeper significance.
Sounds like you've been through a lot, I can see why you're so pulled to the story of Demeter and Persephone. I seem to be drawn to deities that have a darker side-Sekhmet and Morrigan being good examples.

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As far as what its like to work with her, I would personally say there's at least a certain amount of willingness required to endure despite being.. uncomfortable, I suppose, at times. She's tied to rejuvination and fertility but there is no divorcing her from the absolute neccessity of death that she represents. The bulk of her power as the Queen and consort of Hades is during the hard, unyielding, cold days of winter which isn't the typical time for sex and relationship magic/energy, but following her, it is. Those are things you can't get around but must acknowledge and work with up front. That said I find it to ultimately be very grounding and rewarding.


It sounds like she's quite the challenging deity to work with. I think working with her alongside Demeter will be a good, positive step in my life. It's been a year of loss for me unfortunately. I look forward to welcoming her into my life, hopefully through her I'll come to terms with what's happened so that I can move on.

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Re: Demeter, Despoina & Persephone (aka we are family..)
« Reply #6 on: July 23, 2013, 05:57:05 pm »
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Not Hellenic, but...oh goodness, yes. Starting from Bast, I also ended up with the Seven Arrows of Bast (Nefertem, Heru-hekenu, Khonsu-Heru, Wadjet [UPG], Wenut, Heryshef [UPG]--and Bast, who is one of Her own Arrows, yes, it's complicated). The first three are also Her sons, and with the addition of Ma'ahes I've recently started working on rituals and so forth for the Four Sons of Bast. (She has consorts too, but they're more abstract for me at the moment.)


Wow that all sounds gloriously complicated. ;) I haven't worked with Bast for a while, I hope she doesn't mind taking a back seat while I work with Persephone... ^^'
Also I'm curious about the Four Sons of Bast, where do you find info about them?

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And it's not so much that anything drew *me* to them as that they basically started coming out of the woodwork. : P  Heru-hekenu turned up first--can't remember the exact circumstances, but it probably involved coming across his name in Naville's Bubastis or Habachi's Tell Basta and getting hooked--and then all the rest of them. I guess they wanted a piece of the modern-day action. ^_^

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Ah, you do what I do! Start reading about one deity, which leads you to another and another... and well it just snowballs from there. XD

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Re: Demeter, Despoina & Persephone (aka we are family..)
« Reply #7 on: July 23, 2013, 06:10:03 pm »
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I consider Persephone my patron as well but oddly, do not work with either Hades or Demeter. With Hades, I respect him but give a very wide distance. He doesn't seem to have any interest in me and I'm okay with that. When it comes to Demeter though....everything just seems flat. I don't get bad vibes from her, just the knowing that this isn't going to work. If anything, she reminds me of my mother, who I love - but we have vastly different energies and I'd waste more energy trying to mesh ours together than actually using it.


With Hades I think it's a case of mutual apathy, or if he is interested he's keeping very quiet about it. With Demeter I feel she's very relaxed - she comes and goes at her leisure. Which I'm cool with; she definitely carries a very mature, motherly energy which I find relaxing and comforting. Although I have recently found out one of her epithets - Demeter Erinys, which reflects her rage at Poseidon and shows a darker side of her.

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As far as working with Persephone goes specifically: she's like a quiet warmth in the dark - it's not any brighter but it feels brighter to have her there. She's excellent for learning to trust your own intuition, coming into your own power and self-possession.


She sounds like she's a great source of comfort. The more I read the more I look forward to working with her. :)

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Re: Demeter, Despoina & Persephone (aka we are family..)
« Reply #8 on: July 23, 2013, 06:39:46 pm »
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So I read some place that Despoine (/Despoena) was the daughter of Demeter and worshiped alongside her mother and only to the initiates of the cult were her true name revealed. So I wondered how much you have to share on her? if you think that Despoine is her true name, or if there is another name hidden behind. Do you think it might actually be another name for Persephone in this example?

I also read that both Artemis and Hekate bore the title despoine, and it is the latter of the two I feel attracted towards regarding that name/title.

 
Despoina is the daughter of Poseidon and Demeter; whilst Demeter was looking for Persephone Poseidon pursued her in the hopes of getting lucky. Demeter turned herself into a horse to try and avoid this, unfortunately Poseidon pulled the same trick and in four-legged form had his wicked way with her. Demeter bore two children- Despoina and the horse Arion. Her main, perhaps only, centre of worship was in Arcadia.
I don't think Despoina is her true name, it means 'mistress' so it seems more likely that is an epithet or title. It's really tricky to say- over time it's likely that she's been conflated with Persephone as there is so little information on her.

I read that Hecate also bore that title, not seen anything on Artemis though. I've also read that Aphrodite, Persephone, Demeter and Hecate- then again it's from Wikipedia so you might want to take it with a pinch of salt. Btw it's the opposite with me, I feel more drawn to Artemis. :)

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Re: Demeter, Despoina & Persephone (aka we are family..)
« Reply #9 on: July 23, 2013, 07:26:59 pm »
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Despoina is the daughter of Poseidon and Demeter; whilst Demeter was looking for Persephone Poseidon pursued her in the hopes of getting lucky. Demeter turned herself into a horse to try and avoid this, unfortunately Poseidon pulled the same trick and in four-legged form had his wicked way with her. Demeter bore two children- Despoina and the horse Arion. Her main, perhaps only, centre of worship was in Arcadia.
I don't think Despoina is her true name, it means 'mistress' so it seems more likely that is an epithet or title. It's really tricky to say- over time it's likely that she's been conflated with Persephone as there is so little information on her.

I read that Hecate also bore that title, not seen anything on Artemis though. I've also read that Aphrodite, Persephone, Demeter and Hecate- then again it's from Wikipedia so you might want to take it with a pinch of salt. Btw it's the opposite with me, I feel more drawn to Artemis. :)

 
Sure, now that I once more look here (Despoine) I can see that story. However, it is also said she only gave birth to Areion, while it is also said that there was only given birth to Despoine, besides the story of giving birth to them both (from what I can gather from http://www.theoi.com). It is the mystery behind that name that seem to be the alluring factor I think :D It is also interesting what lied behind the title of Despoine (the mistress). Had it a sexual aspect or did it have a completely different aspect, having to do with the chaotic aspect of womanhood from a male perspective?

I think Artemis is lovely! though with the aspect of Despoine I seem to be attracted to Hekate. I would not be surprised if it was her the Arkadian Cult worshiped alongside Demeter, seeing that she is close to Persephone and the one (if I remember it all right) who accompanies her when she leaves the Underworld in the spring. So the Arkadian Cult could have seen her as a comfort to Demeter and therefore worshiped her alongside. Just thoughts...
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Re: Demeter, Despoina & Persephone (aka we are family..)
« Reply #10 on: July 23, 2013, 08:24:30 pm »
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Sure, now that I once more look here (Despoine) I can see that story. However, it is also said she only gave birth to Areion, while it is also said that there was only given birth to Despoine, besides the story of giving birth to them both (from what I can gather from http://www.theoi.com). It is the mystery behind that name that seem to be the alluring factor I think :D It is also interesting what lied behind the title of Despoine (the mistress). Had it a sexual aspect or did it have a completely different aspect, having to do with the chaotic aspect of womanhood from a male perspective?


I really like theoi, it's been a good source of information. I'm glad I got bored at work - if i hadn't I never would've found the site. Yeah... Greek myths like to conflict a lot >3< It is definitely the mystery, it makes me feel frustrated and intrigued at the same time. Oh god- when I read the 'sexual aspect' bit all that sprung to mind was a marble statue of a dominatrix, in all her leather-clad, whip flexing glory. XD

Anyway moving swiftly on.... :whis: To me the title 'the mistress' conjures up an image of a young woman just moving into adulthood, wanting to settle down but at the same being full of restless energy. Yet this image belies a greater knowledge to which others defer. It also of course suggests being the chief deity of something, in this case the Arcadian cult.

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I think Artemis is lovely! though with the aspect of Despoine I seem to be attracted to Hekate. I would not be surprised if it was her the Arkadian Cult worshiped alongside Demeter, seeing that she is close to Persephone and the one (if I remember it all right) who accompanies her when she leaves the Underworld in the spring. So the Arkadian Cult could have seen her as a comfort to Demeter and therefore worshiped her alongside. Just thoughts...


Hmm there is something about Artemis that I like, probably because she's so connected to nature and animals. I've looked into Hecate but I think it's another case of mutual apathy. It would make sense that Hecate is the deity to whom they were referring, as she is linked to the abduction myth. I guess it depends on whether or not you believe if Despoina played a part in the story of Persephone or if it was a separate myth entirely.

Sorry if I'm being unclear, I'm rather tired and peckish. ^^;

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Re: Demeter, Despoina & Persephone (aka we are family..)
« Reply #11 on: July 23, 2013, 11:37:12 pm »
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I never really think about Hades, then again I never feel a big pull towards male deities. That's how I feel about Persephone- it feels natural as I'm already working with Demeter. I guess it's also do with the sense of loss and grief that their story carries; I lost a close relative recently so the story has taken on a deeper significance.
Sounds like you've been through a lot, I can see why you're so pulled to the story of Demeter and Persephone. I seem to be drawn to deities that have a darker side-Sekhmet and Morrigan being good examples.


My experiences follows Persephone's in the sense of who the key players are, my role, and my relationships to my mother and husband respectively in a spiritual sense.

My own understanding is formed largely via UPG but is informed also through accounts of encounters with her in her Queen form. I interpret the Rape of Persephone as Hades not gaining Demeter's approval rather than coercion or unwillingness on Persephone's part. My own husband is an older man who I met remotely, who lived on the other side of the country, who was everything I was not and who I married and joined with despite not an insignificant amount of opposition and drama that has melted into a comfortable respect of my role in his life (and his mine) and that we are here to stay. When considering Persephone I cannot ignore the feelings I have towards my husband, and I feel that same warmth and draw to Hades as well, as I imagine Persephone loves her husband. It's felt well received and while Hades is not a soft deity per se, I don't find him difficult. Hades is one you can be comfortable around in your grief and misery, your "worst" really and its ok.

When it comes to my mother and how I empathize with Demeter's part of the story, my feelings are less tender but more visceral. My great takeaway is that the cleaving force between mother and daughter is as inevitable as death and that brings me great comfort.

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It sounds like she's quite the challenging deity to work with. I think working with her alongside Demeter will be a good, positive step in my life. It's been a year of loss for me unfortunately. I look forward to welcoming her into my life, hopefully through her I'll come to terms with what's happened so that I can move on.

 
You're mileage may vary! I based that on the idea that most people are uncomfortable with death and honoring her you really can't be. I think her energy is very transformative, especially when utilized alongside trauma (like a death) so I have high hopes for your journey!

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Re: Demeter, Despoina & Persephone (aka we are family..)
« Reply #12 on: July 24, 2013, 06:55:52 am »
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I really like theoi, it's been a good source of information. I'm glad I got bored at work - if i hadn't I never would've found the site. Yeah... Greek myths like to conflict a lot >3< It is definitely the mystery, it makes me feel frustrated and intrigued at the same time. Oh god- when I read the 'sexual aspect' bit all that sprung to mind was a marble statue of a dominatrix, in all her leather-clad, whip flexing glory. XD

Anyway moving swiftly on.... :whis: To me the title 'the mistress' conjures up an image of a young woman just moving into adulthood, wanting to settle down but at the same being full of restless energy. Yet this image belies a greater knowledge to which others defer. It also of course suggests being the chief deity of something, in this case the Arcadian cult.

Hmm there is something about Artemis that I like, probably because she's so connected to nature and animals. I've looked into Hecate but I think it's another case of mutual apathy. It would make sense that Hecate is the deity to whom they were referring, as she is linked to the abduction myth. I guess it depends on whether or not you believe if Despoina played a part in the story of Persephone or if it was a separate myth entirely.

Sorry if I'm being unclear, I'm rather tired and peckish. ^^;


I do not think you are unclear, I think our thoughts on "the mistress" are quite similar just engaging it from two different perspectives.

I agree that she (Despoine) seem to be the chief deity in this cult, it is her they protect by not revealing her name, not Demeter. It might be a life and death cult like the one's surrounding Dionysus, just here with two Goddesses: a fertility Goddess (Demeter) and a "death" Goddess (Hekate?) - one having a personal connection to Olympus while the other to the Underworld. They might have seen Death as the governing factor over Life, the one thing that mortal life cannot escape - that way establishing Despoine (Death) above Demeter (Life) thus keeping her more sacred. In a couple of post we might have recreated the entire cult ;) hehe just thoughts...

My vote on who Despoine is (in the Arkadian Cult) goes for Hekate and that the close relationship between her and Demeter have spawned in the search for Persephone. Personally it makes more sense to me if the only child that came out of Poseidons and Demeters engagement as Horses is the immortal horse Areion, then again Greek Mythology does not always make sense. Also it might be that some writers have thought Despoine is a daughter of Demeter because of the close relationship between the two (and the fact that Demeter is counted as one of the first generation Olympians). Hmm I seem to have a lot of thoughts today :P

With the Gods and Goddesses I see them as beings with their own separate life, so they like us do not have an infinite amount of time to give - though some of them from certain perspectives definitely can come off as quite infinite. So if there is nothing within a relationship for them, I simply think they see no reason to engage in it - which is not so different from any other being in existence. In such a case it is up to the suitor to convince the deity that it is worth their time. I think both Artemis and Hekate is absolutely great - not to mention how amazing Demeter is :D

On a side note I do think one can worship Persephone without getting into the death factor of her role as the Queen of the Underworld. In relationship with her mother she acts more in the guise of a fertility Goddess, a giver of life. Though I personally do not see death as anything other than a transformation of life and the King and Queen of the Underworld as caretakers of Life - it is this life they take care of that Persephone brings with her when she leaves the Underworld. Basically I am Chthonic in my view and see the Underworld as where Life dwell and is nurtured before it grow into the world. It seems like my thoughts are rambling on today... so I will stop before I write some complete gibberish :P
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Re: Demeter, Despoina & Persephone (aka we are family..)
« Reply #13 on: July 24, 2013, 06:37:09 pm »
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I do not think you are unclear, I think our thoughts on "the mistress" are quite similar just engaging it from two different perspectives.


That's good to know, I know I tend to waffle when I'm tired. ^^; I like hearing other people's perspectives on deities - I find it really interesting. :)

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I agree that she (Despoine) seem to be the chief deity in this cult, it is her they protect by not revealing her name, not Demeter. It might be a life and death cult like the one's surrounding Dionysus, just here with two Goddesses: a fertility Goddess (Demeter) and a "death" Goddess (Hekate?) - one having a personal connection to Olympus while the other to the Underworld. They might have seen Death as the governing factor over Life, the one thing that mortal life cannot escape - that way establishing Despoine (Death) above Demeter (Life) thus keeping her more sacred. In a couple of post we might have recreated the entire cult ;) hehe just thoughts...


I definitely agree that she's the chief deity, worshiped over Demeter. It is possible that the cult was the Arcadians' take on the Eleusinian mysteries just with different goddesses. I kinda like the idea of Hekate being the 'mystery goddess'. It would make sense as she plays a rather large part in the abduction myth. Although, I get the feeling that there's a connection to water. But that's probably because her dad make have been Poseidon. It would be hilarious if we reconstructed the cult on here! Might cause some archaeologists to flip out though. ;)

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My vote on who Despoine is (in the Arkadian Cult) goes for Hekate and that the close relationship between her and Demeter have spawned in the search for Persephone. Personally it makes more sense to me if the only child that came out of Poseidons and Demeters engagement as Horses is the immortal horse Areion, then again Greek Mythology does not always make sense. Also it might be that some writers have thought Despoine is a daughter of Demeter because of the close relationship between the two (and the fact that Demeter is counted as one of the first generation Olympians). Hmm I seem to have a lot of thoughts today :P


Like I say I think Hecate would make sense- especially if it was a life/death cult. Then again, it may not have been. Biologically speaking I agree, horses mating usually produces horses... not people. But as you pointed out Greek - and in fact most mythology - doesn't tend to make sense. That's an interesting point; although the prevalent belief seems to have been that she was Demeter's daughter. However, just because a belief is widely held doesn't necessarily mean it's correct.

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With the Gods and Goddesses I see them as beings with their own separate life, so they like us do not have an infinite amount of time to give - though some of them from certain perspectives definitely can come off as quite infinite. So if there is nothing within a relationship for them, I simply think they see no reason to engage in it - which is not so different from any other being in existence. In such a case it is up to the suitor to convince the deity that it is worth their time. I think both Artemis and Hekate is absolutely great - not to mention how amazing Demeter is :D


Yeah, deities are definitely like humans in that respect; if they're not interested they won't bother. Do you think deities can be wooed (for lack of a better word) into a relationship with a potential worshiper? I'm not so sure, I guess it depends on the personality of deity..I would hate to over-generalise. I love Demeter, she's so chilled.

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On a side note I do think one can worship Persephone without getting into the death factor of her role as the Queen of the Underworld. In relationship with her mother she acts more in the guise of a fertility Goddess, a giver of life. Though I personally do not see death as anything other than a transformation of life and the King and Queen of the Underworld as caretakers of Life - it is this life they take care of that Persephone brings with her when she leaves the Underworld. Basically I am Chthonic in my view and see the Underworld as where Life dwell and is nurtured before it grow into the world. It seems like my thoughts are rambling on today... so I will stop before I write some complete gibberish :P


I'm getting a lot different perceptions of Persephone. Which is great, by knowing different perspectives I feel like I'm getting to know Persephone as a more well-rounded deity. My general feeling I get from her is that she is the embodiment of both potential life and it's inevitable demise. The idea that new life comes from the earth and to the earth it will return. Nothing wrong with a good ramble, but it probably would be a good idea to stop before you stray into total gibberish. :p

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Re: Demeter, Despoina & Persephone (aka we are family..)
« Reply #14 on: July 25, 2013, 02:44:32 pm »
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That's good to know, I know I tend to waffle when I'm tired. ^^; I like hearing other people's perspectives on deities - I find it really interesting. :)

I definitely agree that she's the chief deity, worshiped over Demeter. It is possible that the cult was the Arcadians' take on the Eleusinian mysteries just with different goddesses. I kinda like the idea of Hekate being the 'mystery goddess'. It would make sense as she plays a rather large part in the abduction myth. Although, I get the feeling that there's a connection to water. But that's probably because her dad make have been Poseidon. It would be hilarious if we reconstructed the cult on here! Might cause some archaeologists to flip out though. ;)

Like I say I think Hecate would make sense- especially if it was a life/death cult. Then again, it may not have been. Biologically speaking I agree, horses mating usually produces horses... not people. But as you pointed out Greek - and in fact most mythology - doesn't tend to make sense. That's an interesting point; although the prevalent belief seems to have been that she was Demeter's daughter. However, just because a belief is widely held doesn't necessarily mean it's correct.

Yeah, deities are definitely like humans in that respect; if they're not interested they won't bother. Do you think deities can be wooed (for lack of a better word) into a relationship with a potential worshiper? I'm not so sure, I guess it depends on the personality of deity..I would hate to over-generalise. I love Demeter, she's so chilled.

I'm getting a lot different perceptions of Persephone. Which is great, by knowing different perspectives I feel like I'm getting to know Persephone as a more well-rounded deity. My general feeling I get from her is that she is the embodiment of both potential life and it's inevitable demise. The idea that new life comes from the earth and to the earth it will return. Nothing wrong with a good ramble, but it probably would be a good idea to stop before you stray into total gibberish. :p

 
I agree on the water. Whether it is Hekate (her grandmother Eurybia, goddess over the mastery of the sea) or a daughter of Demeter and Poseidon, then water feels central. It both bring life to soil and carry away the passing of time - brings with it the new and carries away the old.

Sure, though one could say we do archeology within our thoughts, finding bits and pieces to see how they fit together. And I think it is starting to make a lot of sense; at least in my head.

I think any being can be wooed if it is done the right way; it is up to the suitor to find just the way to spark the connection. Though some deities are probably easier to woo than others ;) Being yourself and living life to the fullest (just the way you see it done) would be my suggestion and let those gods and goddesses that feel the connection take part and let the others be... that is how I used to do it when I worked with kids, and as soon as new kids saw how much fun the other kids had it they were won over without any effort at all :D

My connection with Persephone is dualistic in a way, as both the blossoming flower and the dark keeper of secrets. With that said she is not one I have spend a lot of time with, at least not consciously in this lifetime of mine here in a human body on Earth. The last year has mostly been spend with the Olympian Muses, especially Kalliope has been around a lot (sometimes hanging out on the edge of my thoughts).
Grief and sorrow grows on the far banks of the river Styx, go there and visit them and you might not find your own way back home. - Achilles

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