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Creating Servitors/Creating Gods?
« on: November 26, 2012, 03:56:46 pm »
So I've read a little about creating servitors but I still don't fully understand it. Can anyone give me a simple step-by-step process?
Also I was wondering if you could call upon them at any time, or if you could summon them via ritual?
And can you have your servitor contact other beings?

Also I was wondering if you could make a God figure by creating a servitor and channeling a lot of energy into it?
(I realize this might not be a great idea, but is it possible?)

Thanks for the help :)

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Re: Creating Servitors/Creating Gods?
« Reply #1 on: November 26, 2012, 08:47:05 pm »
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Can anyone give me a simple step-by-step process? Also I was wondering if you could call upon them at any time, or if you could summon them via ritual?

1. Plan out what you want your servitor to do. If you want them to be summonable, then put how they'd live in their off-time as part of the blueprint. Don't forget to name it, of course, some psychic signature that would allow it to known that somebody is calling this servitor specifically. How intelligent will you want it to be? I remember reading one story about a magickian who, sensibly, created an entity to protect hir. The result was a servitor that felt upset whenever the magickian would do something dangerous, like going out-of-body, and had no scruples about damaging the magickian's energy body for the greater safety. So, plan it well. Will it have a lifespan? What is its energy source? How separate are you from it? (The protective servitor in the example was programmed to be with the magickian always, so the magickian was unable to be rid of it when it started acting up.)

2. Program the information. If all the plans can be represented in a pictorial representation, a sculpture, a sigil... then, draw it out, mold it, whatever.

3. Energize the program. I've heard it recommended that one consciously stores energy, as pure as you can make it, in the biggest crystal you can find, over a period of ten months... but, I don't know, lately I've had what I believe are servitors, popping out after a few hours of attentiveness. I'm guessing they were primed.

The Magnus of Strovolos by Kyriacos C. Markides had the eponymous Magus warn one of his students that we aren't playing with clay when we do this (personal corollary: unless you are literally playing with clay, like, in step 2,) but we're molding the stuff of life. Take that as you will.

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And can you have your servitor contact other beings?

Usually, when contacting another being, I get their name or psychic signature, send out a link, and send my message down that link. That, I considered spellwork. I don't know if this next thing would be considered general spellwork or specifically servitor-creation, but what I started to do was give my message a body and little wings and a tracking device for the name or psychic signature of its recipient. I believe that it worked, and took much less energy (when I thought servitors usually take up more energy,) but probably was less effective because it's like sending a postcard instead of giving someone a phone call: in the former the recipient can see the subject line and ignore it.

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Also I was wondering if you could make a God figure by creating a servitor and channeling a lot of energy into it? (I realize this might not be a great idea, but is it possible?)

The hypothesis among chaotes (well, some of them, sometimes,) is that a lot of our gods are only there because people worship and believe in them, because belief lends their energy, and collectively that energy becomes very powerful. For some reason that's called an egregore instead of a servitor, but they're basically the same. I used to think that was basically what Paganism or even all deity-centered Religion was, the creation and maintenance of egregores, but... now, I think, egregores would become either mindless or confused because there's multiple information coming in from undisciplined people. Most deities seem very comfortable, certain, and sentient to me-- not reactively shaped by belief, but acting towards belief because somebody is calling them and they listen in and think about it.


The legends of Blodeuwedd and Galatea, sound to me very much like these were created gods, although, they might not be.
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Re: Creating Servitors/Creating Gods?
« Reply #2 on: November 26, 2012, 09:01:24 pm »
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1. Plan out what you want your servitor to do. If you want them to be summonable, then put how they'd live in their off-time as part of the blueprint. Don't forget to name it, of course, some psychic signature that would allow it to known that somebody is calling this servitor specifically. How intelligent will you want it to be? I remember reading one story about a magickian who, sensibly, created an entity to protect hir. The result was a servitor that felt upset whenever the magickian would do something dangerous, like going out-of-body, and had no scruples about damaging the magickian's energy body for the greater safety. So, plan it well. Will it have a lifespan? What is its energy source? How separate are you from it? (The protective servitor in the example was programmed to be with the magickian always, so the magickian was unable to be rid of it when it started acting up.)

2. Program the information. If all the plans can be represented in a pictorial representation, a sculpture, a sigil... then, draw it out, mold it, whatever.

3. Energize the program. I've heard it recommended that one consciously stores energy, as pure as you can make it, in the biggest crystal you can find, over a period of ten months... but, I don't know, lately I've had what I believe are servitors, popping out after a few hours of attentiveness. I'm guessing they were primed.

The Magnus of Strovolos by Kyriacos C. Markides had the eponymous Magus warn one of his students that we aren't playing with clay when we do this (personal corollary: unless you are literally playing with clay, like, in step 2,) but we're molding the stuff of life. Take that as you will.


Usually, when contacting another being, I get their name or psychic signature, send out a link, and send my message down that link. That, I considered spellwork. I don't know if this next thing would be considered general spellwork or specifically servitor-creation, but what I started to do was give my message a body and little wings and a tracking device for the name or psychic signature of its recipient. I believe that it worked, and took much less energy (when I thought servitors usually take up more energy,) but probably was less effective because it's like sending a postcard instead of giving someone a phone call: in the former the recipient can see the subject line and ignore it.


The hypothesis among chaotes (well, some of them, sometimes,) is that a lot of our gods are only there because people worship and believe in them, because belief lends their energy, and collectively that energy becomes very powerful. For some reason that's called an egregore instead of a servitor, but they're basically the same. I used to think that was basically what Paganism or even all deity-centered Religion was, the creation and maintenance of egregores, but... now, I think, egregores would become either mindless or confused because there's multiple information coming in from undisciplined people. Most deities seem very comfortable, certain, and sentient to me-- not reactively shaped by belief, but acting towards belief because somebody is calling them and they listen in and think about it.


The legends of Blodeuwedd and Galatea, sound to me very much like these were created gods, although, they might not be.

 


Thank you. This was exactly what I was looking for =D

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Re: Creating Servitors/Creating Gods?
« Reply #3 on: November 26, 2012, 09:37:46 pm »
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Thank you. This was exactly what I was looking for =D

 
Glad it helped! On a similar vein, I recommend looking up Dion Fortune's account of "artificial elementals".
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Re: Creating Servitors/Creating Gods?
« Reply #4 on: November 26, 2012, 10:53:57 pm »
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1. Plan out what you want your servitor to do. If you want them to be summonable, then put how they'd live in their off-time as part of the blueprint. Don't forget to name it, of course, some psychic signature that would allow it to known that somebody is calling this servitor specifically. How intelligent will you want it to be? I remember reading one story about a magickian who, sensibly, created an entity to protect hir. The result was a servitor that felt upset whenever the magickian would do something dangerous, like going out-of-body, and had no scruples about damaging the magickian's energy body for the greater safety. So, plan it well. Will it have a lifespan? What is its energy source? How separate are you from it? (The protective servitor in the example was programmed to be with the magickian always, so the magickian was unable to be rid of it when it started acting up.)

2. Program the information. If all the plans can be represented in a pictorial representation, a sculpture, a sigil... then, draw it out, mold it, whatever.

3. Energize the program. I've heard it recommended that one consciously stores energy, as pure as you can make it, in the biggest crystal you can find, over a period of ten months... but, I don't know, lately I've had what I believe are servitors, popping out after a few hours of attentiveness. I'm guessing they were primed.

The Magnus of Strovolos by Kyriacos C. Markides had the eponymous Magus warn one of his students that we aren't playing with clay when we do this (personal corollary: unless you are literally playing with clay, like, in step 2,) but we're molding the stuff of life. Take that as you will.


Usually, when contacting another being, I get their name or psychic signature, send out a link, and send my message down that link. That, I considered spellwork. I don't know if this next thing would be considered general spellwork or specifically servitor-creation, but what I started to do was give my message a body and little wings and a tracking device for the name or psychic signature of its recipient. I believe that it worked, and took much less energy (when I thought servitors usually take up more energy,) but probably was less effective because it's like sending a postcard instead of giving someone a phone call: in the former the recipient can see the subject line and ignore it.


The hypothesis among chaotes (well, some of them, sometimes,) is that a lot of our gods are only there because people worship and believe in them, because belief lends their energy, and collectively that energy becomes very powerful. For some reason that's called an egregore instead of a servitor, but they're basically the same. I used to think that was basically what Paganism or even all deity-centered Religion was, the creation and maintenance of egregores, but... now, I think, egregores would become either mindless or confused because there's multiple information coming in from undisciplined people. Most deities seem very comfortable, certain, and sentient to me-- not reactively shaped by belief, but acting towards belief because somebody is calling them and they listen in and think about it.


The legends of Blodeuwedd and Galatea, sound to me very much like these were created gods, although, they might not be.

 
I don't have any intention of doing this, but I just wanted to pop in and say that this was super interesting to read.

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Re: Creating Servitors/Creating Gods?
« Reply #5 on: November 28, 2012, 03:03:56 pm »
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Also I was wondering if you could make a God figure by creating a servitor and channeling a lot of energy into it?
(I realize this might not be a great idea, but is it possible?)

 
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Re: Creating Servitors/Creating Gods?
« Reply #6 on: November 30, 2012, 10:28:31 am »
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The hypothesis among chaotes (well, some of them, sometimes,) is that a lot of our gods are only there because people worship and believe in them, because belief lends their energy, and collectively that energy becomes very powerful.

 It made me think. Then it would mean that, for example, the Christian God would be real because the majority of people in the world believe in him. But they all believe that he is the only god, all powerful, oniscient, etc. Based on your theory, the energy of the amount of people worshipping him and believing in him could make him be the only god, or something like that. Maybe I missed something in the middle of your post, but it seems for me that it needs something more to complete your thoughts.

 I think that gods are thoughts and personification of things. So when you imagine a god orgoddess and attributes it to something, like "love", "bananas falling down of trees", whatever, then it becomes the personification of these things.

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