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Bride to the Trickster God
« on: June 17, 2014, 12:11:23 pm »
So this post is more-or-less a spin-off of this post.
(Also on a side note: the title was inspired by the manga, Bride to the Water God)

I've been hearing that the darker, chaotic gods *cough*Loki*cough* are "to be proceeded w/ caution", "He's an asshole...", "Don't bother w/ him"... or something to that extent.

I wanted the worshipers, priest/ess', wives/husbands, etc... to talk about their experiences on the darker, chaotic, mischievous gods (and goddesses).
That, maybe if we give them some room to 'speak' that they can show us that they aren't all that bad...

These Gods/Goddesses can include; Coyote, Loki, Kokopelli, Hades, The Morrigan, Hecate...
and any other God/Goddesses that I haven't mentioned off the top of my head.

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Re: Bride to the Trickster God
« Reply #1 on: June 17, 2014, 01:10:23 pm »
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So this post is more-or-less a spin-off of this post.
(Also on a side note: the title was inspired by the manga, Bride to the Water God)

I've been hearing that the darker, chaotic gods *cough*Loki*cough* are "to be proceeded w/ caution", "He's an asshole...", "Don't bother w/ him"... or something to that extent.

I wanted the worshipers, priest/ess', wives/husbands, etc... to talk about their experiences on the darker, chaotic, mischievous gods (and goddesses).
That, maybe if we give them some room to 'speak' that they can show us that they aren't all that bad...

These Gods/Goddesses can include; Coyote, Loki, Kokopelli, Hades, The Morrigan, Hecate...
and any other God/Goddesses that I haven't mentioned off the top of my head.

 
There's a wide berth between "proceed with caution" and "don't bother with him." Most of the Lokeans I know will tell you to proceed with caution. =P It doesn't mean we think he's "that bad." Just that, well. You probably don't want to stick your hand in that particular fire unless you're wearing your welding gloves or your oven mitts.
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Re: Bride to the Trickster God
« Reply #2 on: June 17, 2014, 01:29:31 pm »
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There's a wide berth between "proceed with caution" and "don't bother with him." Most of the Lokeans I know will tell you to proceed with caution. =P It doesn't mean we think he's "that bad." Just that, well. You probably don't want to stick your hand in that particular fire unless you're wearing your welding gloves or your oven mitts.


Yeah, I'm starting to see that in other posts. I just found this post talking about the trickster and chaos gods.

I'm really curious about people who are married to the more chaotic gods/goddesses and how they live their lives w/ them. I'm sure it can be really fun!

Here's a little side story: Loki seems to have taken... vested interest... in me.
So, I'm wondering how others live with the more chaotic sides of God/Goddesses.
but I want everyone's point of view (not just the wives and hubby's) =p

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Re: Bride to the Trickster God
« Reply #3 on: June 17, 2014, 05:29:51 pm »
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So this post is more-or-less a spin-off of this post.
(Also on a side note: the title was inspired by the manga, Bride to the Water God)

I've been hearing that the darker, chaotic gods *cough*Loki*cough* are "to be proceeded w/ caution", "He's an asshole...", "Don't bother w/ him"... or something to that extent.

I wanted the worshipers, priest/ess', wives/husbands, etc... to talk about their experiences on the darker, chaotic, mischievous gods (and goddesses).
That, maybe if we give them some room to 'speak' that they can show us that they aren't all that bad...

These Gods/Goddesses can include; Coyote, Loki, Kokopelli, Hades, The Morrigan, Hecate...
and any other God/Goddesses that I haven't mentioned off the top of my head.


Comparing "trickster" gods to deities that just have a reputation for being "dark" kind of bothers me...Loki should be approached with caution for different reasons than Hecate should be approached with caution, and some people might be able to deal with Loki and not Hecate or the Morrigan, or vice-versa.

But...you asked for experiences, so I'm going to tell you mine. Loki hangs around. He likes to make trouble. Sometimes he pulls really spectacular pranks on me. But no, he's not my spouse, even though he's clearly taken an interest in me. I wouldn't call having him around "fun" either. He tends to steal things and not give them back. It can be a real pain in the ass. Still, if I want a rune reading, he's my guy. He'll give me very frank, honest advice that I know I can rely on.
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Re: Bride to the Trickster God
« Reply #4 on: June 17, 2014, 06:50:13 pm »
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Comparing "trickster" gods to deities that just have a reputation for being "dark" kind of bothers me...

Sorry. I kind of quickly grouped Gods and Goddesses that I've seen people say things like; "At first, I didn't want to deal with [Insert god/ess] because s/he seemed [dark, scary, not someone I'd want to work with, etc...]"

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[...] If I want a rune reading, he's my guy. He'll give me very frank, honest advice that I know I can rely on.

Ah, that is interesting. Loki seems to want to talk to me w/ Runes, rather than my pendulum... Every once in a while he'll say "Go on... Pick one..."
Still working on what the runes mean, looking for a few resources that will give me a good idea of interpretation.

Thank you Redfaery for your experiences!

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Re: Bride to the Trickster God
« Reply #5 on: June 18, 2014, 12:16:17 am »
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Sorry. I kind of quickly grouped Gods and Goddesses that I've seen people say things like; "At first, I didn't want to deal with [Insert god/ess] because s/he seemed [dark, scary, not someone I'd want to work with, etc...]"

 
I got you. I just think that the reasons some gods get reputations like that are more complicated. For example, you mentioned Hades, but from what I can tell, he's simply unpopular because of his domain? I mean, if you look at the mythology, I'd much rather deal with Hades than some of the other Greek Gods. He actually seems to have been less for smiting people who offended him than say, Zeus or Athena.

Then you get figures like the Morrigan who are viewed as being, for lack of a better word, demanding. From what I gather, the Morrigan simply takes no shit from her worshipers, so if you're looking for a goddess to coddle and reassure you in a tough time, rather than slap you across the face and say "get over yourself!" she's not for you.

Loki has something of that "not here to hold your hand" vibe, from what I gather, except you get the trickster qualities that he'll throw your life upside down and make you grow stronger from the chaos he creates. Or...you know, just troll you for the lulz. I'm very fortunate that I have a guardian deity who keeps him from creating too much chaos in my own life.
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Re: Bride to the Trickster God
« Reply #6 on: June 18, 2014, 12:20:32 am »
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Then you get figures like the Morrigan who are viewed as being, for lack of a better word, demanding. From what I gather, the Morrigan simply takes no shit from her worshipers, so if you're looking for a goddess to coddle and reassure you in a tough time, rather than slap you across the face and say "get over yourself!" she's not for you.

 
One aspect that's often ascribed to the Morrigan is the Battle Raven. In my experience, if I'm not willing to fight the battles that are placed in front of me, she'll kick my ass until I am. There was one time (frequent MUX users will remember me talking about this) when I was waffling on a decision I HAD to make one way or another. After months of going back and forth and praying over a decision and not actually making it, I got ATTACKED BY CROWS. Crows that were normally friendly to me and had a habit of sharing my fries during my lunch break. So there's that.
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Re: Bride to the Trickster God
« Reply #7 on: June 18, 2014, 01:11:56 am »
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So this post is more-or-less a spin-off of this post.
(Also on a side note: the title was inspired by the manga, Bride to the Water God)

I've been hearing that the darker, chaotic gods *cough*Loki*cough* are "to be proceeded w/ caution", "He's an asshole...", "Don't bother w/ him"... or something to that extent.

I wanted the worshipers, priest/ess', wives/husbands, etc... to talk about their experiences on the darker, chaotic, mischievous gods (and goddesses).
That, maybe if we give them some room to 'speak' that they can show us that they aren't all that bad...

These Gods/Goddesses can include; Coyote, Loki, Kokopelli, Hades, The Morrigan, Hecate...
and any other God/Goddesses that I haven't mentioned off the top of my head.


I work with Lucifer, who is highly stigmatized and even saying his name seems to strike fear into people. His presence intimidated the heck out of me for a while at the beginning, partially because it felt extremely powerful and partially because it just felt... dark, I guess, and it also made me question what I was getting myself into. Nowadays, his presence seems to have gotten a bit lighter however, there is a sense of 'darkness' in it, too.

My experiences with him... he seems to be trying to instill the whole 'think for yourself' thing in me and to not always rely on him. He's kind and loving (at least right now, it could change in the future...) and just... ugh. It's really hard to sit down and talk about what he is because it'll just sound like fangirling.

Despite that though, I know he could probably easily turn around and show me his darker aspects and that thought basically leads me to be like "how much do I trust him not to tear me asunder?". I trust him that he won't for no good reason but also simply try to keep that thought in mind: that he has darker sides I haven't seen yet.

He's certainly not all bad, though. I'm actually way more happier or at least content since working with him, compare to the last two years. Lucifer's kind of perked me up. My love for art has been revived since he's shown up and I am getting a bit more motivated to try to get my life into order, which is nice and it's also helping me figure things out a bit better. c: I'll definitely take it!

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Re: Bride to the Trickster God
« Reply #8 on: June 18, 2014, 01:39:00 am »
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I wanted the worshipers, priest/ess', wives/husbands, etc... to talk about their experiences on the darker, chaotic, mischievous gods (and goddesses).

These Gods/Goddesses can include; Coyote, ...

 
He's much more steady, stable, reliable, and loyal than - f'ex - my not-yet-ex-enough corporeal spouse. (Who, just to be clear, wasn't and isn't some flighty prat; mostly, he's just way crappier at managing his executive function, and at having realistic ethics.)

Beyond that, I have little to say. You do realize you're asking people for intimate details of their marital lives, yes?

(You are also assuming that godspouses are necessarily 'wives' or 'husbands'. The rigid gender binarism here is very uncomfortable to me.)

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Re: Bride to the Trickster God
« Reply #9 on: June 18, 2014, 03:24:46 am »
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So this post is more-or-less a spin-off of this post.

I've been hearing that the darker, chaotic gods *cough*Loki*cough* are "to be proceeded w/ caution", "He's an asshole...", "Don't bother w/ him"... or something to that extent.

I wanted the worshipers, priest/ess', wives/husbands, etc... to talk about their experiences on the darker, chaotic, mischievous gods (and goddesses).
That, maybe if we give them some room to 'speak' that they can show us that they aren't all that bad...

These Gods/Goddesses can include; Coyote, Loki, Kokopelli, Hades, The Morrigan, Hecate...
and any other God/Goddesses that I haven't mentioned off the top of my head.

 
I find the way you're grouping deities together very odd, here. You mention deities who have very little in common, some of whom might be called 'dark' but others wouldn't... I tend to approach each deity as an individual, rather than as an archetype, personally. My personal experience is that they prefer to be allowed to be themselves.

I honour a deity (Baoi, or Cailleach Bhearra) who I personally understand as a goddess of chaos and creation. There's very little lore about her, although she is often compared to figures for whom there is more information out there. She's not at all dark, IME, but she's very demanding. Chaos doesn't have to be spooky or bloody. It can be the chaos of a hurricane or a volcano - intense, relentless, sometimes violent chaos and change, destroying everything in its wake to make room for new creation again, and to kick-start it.

My personal experience (very UPG-ish) of Bhearra is that her kind of chaos is relentless. She doesn't understand the need of human beings for a break from chaotic change that leads to creation and growth. In her world, which is the wilderness of the County Cork hills and mountains, no one's stopping her creating in savage, wild ways. She sometimes stirs up chaos in my life, not for her fun, but because I've got set in my ways and stopped being creative and/or useful.

I suspect, from what I know of Loki, that he's a very different kind of chaotic deity. But I can bet that he'll have just as intense an effect on your life. Just in different ways.
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Re: Bride to the Trickster God
« Reply #10 on: June 18, 2014, 05:08:08 am »
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I suspect, from what I know of Loki, that he's a very different kind of chaotic deity. But I can bet that he'll have just as intense an effect on your life. Just in different ways.


I can vouch for that. In my UPG experience Loki can kind of be described as a very intelligent, thoughtful troll. That might seem like an oxymoron, since all but perhaps .1% of forum trolls are just assholes, but there is a brand of troll on some social media sites (the ones with the right environment, like Gawker) that are actually....clever.

Like the dude on Gawker who commented "Why does everyone think atheists aren't generous? I always tip waiters 10%!" Cue half the commenters proceeding to flame and insult him, and the other half laughing their asses off about said freakout. That's what I mean when I say "clever trolling." They stir up shit to play into people's preconceptions and biases, and they get away with it when people aren't willing to step back and detach from the situation, and realize that - hey, maybe more is going on here that I think.

That's what Loki does, in my life at least. Whenever I get settled into a smooth, boring routine, he pops back in. He reminds me that I should never be satisfied with the status quo, that I should never, ever, ever settle for blending in poorly when I can stand out exceptionally. Although I'm only starting to realize it, he fulfills an important function in my spiritual life, which is probably why Sarasvati hasn't kicked him out. He reminds me that I am and always will be an outsider, but there's nothing wrong with that, because as an outsider, there are things I can see, do, and say that no insider can.

....well, that came off a bit ranty. Sorry.:o
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Re: Bride to the Trickster God
« Reply #11 on: June 18, 2014, 02:49:52 pm »
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[...]

You do realize you're asking people for intimate details of their marital lives, yes?


I kind of realize now that I am asking that, and yes..., I kind of want to know. But I didn't intend for anyone to be uncomfortable. Share what you are willing to share, or don't.

God-spouses are a new term, and with my analytical and curious brain wants to gather as much data as possible. (Granted, these are people's lives here...)

How should I put this... I want to know what I'm getting into...
and I want others to know for future references.

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(You are also assuming that godspouses are necessarily 'wives' or 'husbands'. The rigid gender binarism here is very uncomfortable to me.)

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Correct. Again, I didn't wish for anyone to be uncomfortable.
Godspouse is a new term for me. I have no clue what this exactly entails...
To me, Godspouse means... being intimately connected to the Divine/a certain deity.
but what they together do, what the spouses' role in that relationship... It sounds completely different from (ex. a scribe or handmaiden) to the deity...

It's probably something I will learn on my own over time...

But please, feel free to share if you wish...

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Re: Bride to the Trickster God
« Reply #12 on: June 18, 2014, 09:54:38 pm »
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So this post is more-or-less a spin-off of this post.
(Also on a side note: the title was inspired by the manga, Bride to the Water God)

I've been hearing that the darker, chaotic gods *cough*Loki*cough* are "to be proceeded w/ caution", "He's an asshole...", "Don't bother w/ him"... or something to that extent.

I wanted the worshipers, priest/ess', wives/husbands, etc... to talk about their experiences on the darker, chaotic, mischievous gods (and goddesses).
That, maybe if we give them some room to 'speak' that they can show us that they aren't all that bad...

These Gods/Goddesses can include; Coyote, Loki, Kokopelli, Hades, The Morrigan, Hecate...
and any other God/Goddesses that I haven't mentioned off the top of my head.

 
I will give you a personal account of one event that happened to me last year. I do not work with deity at this time, the entities that I do work with do not want me to talk about them.

About a year ago I was working as a caretaker for elderly people I was leaving one woman's home after my shift and was about to turn right at the end of her road. I felt a demanding thought enter my mind that insisted I turn left. I even started turning the car my direction and did a U turn in the street. So I took the back road instead of the main highway to my home. As I made my way down the road I came to a four way stop with a dog standing in the middle of the cross way. I pulled up very slowly and stopped. The dog walked around my car. I opened the door to peek at it, but my door yanked from my hand and opened all the way. The dog stood next to me watching me, suddenly she jumped over me into the car and curled up on the passenger floor. I knew it was Hecate who sent me the message so I would find the dog and get her to her owners.

Hecate has not made contact with me since, but on occasion I will hear a dog barking if I'm about to do something really stupid.

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Re: Bride to the Trickster God
« Reply #13 on: June 18, 2014, 10:09:48 pm »
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Correct. Again, I didn't wish for anyone to be uncomfortable.
Godspouse is a new term for me. I have no clue what this exactly entails...
To me, Godspouse means... being intimately connected to the Divine/a certain deity.
but what they together do, what the spouses' role in that relationship... It sounds completely different from (ex. a scribe or handmaiden) to the deity...

 
What sie was pointing out was that you're assuming a female "wife" or a male "husband" and erasing the identities of the many, many people who don't identify along a gender binary. And that you're asking some VERY intimate questions about the nature of a marital relationship, which is as awkward when you're talking about divine spouses as human. Kind of creepy.
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Re: Bride to the Trickster God
« Reply #14 on: June 19, 2014, 10:18:19 am »
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[...] You're asking some VERY intimate questions about the nature of a marital relationship, which is as awkward when you're talking about divine spouses as human. Kind of creepy.

 
Ugh, again, Sorry!!!
I don't mean to creep!

Divine vs. human... I mean, to me... we're spiritual beings having a human experience, and that we're all essentially a portion of the Divine...

So, Deity is an aspect of the whole Divine that doesn't have human experiences...
So, Divine and Us (on a spiritual level) are essentially on the same level.
Deep down we're all God.

So Godspouse is similar to marital spouse? Except The spouses' spouse is God/ess, which isn't here on a physical plane???
I could be totally wrong!!! I often am...

I feel like I'm trying to put together a puzzle that doesn't have every piece, and some pieces that don't even belong w/ that puzzle!

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