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Author Topic: A Question About Goddesses and Mental Illness  (Read 3937 times)

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Re: A Question About Goddesses and Mental Illness
« Reply #45 on: May 08, 2014, 05:24:05 pm »
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you also don't have to jump into doing offerings, or serving a deity. Building a daily devotional practice from square one is a good thing .. start with just sitting quietly, or reading about a spiritual topic, listening to instrumental music, drumming, whatever feels right for you. the practice helps and it's something to build on. if/when you want to /feel like adding offerings or whatever. Do so. a small cup of water is a great offering. it's the repetition, time and intent that seems to matter more than what exactly the offering is. I also struggle with mental illness, though a different form than you. As for deities, there are a lot that could work it depends on whom feels right. I work with the Norse deities primarily so that's who I'm most familiar with.

Mengloth or one of her handmaidens might be good places to start. they're all healers with different specialties:

Sigyn might be a possibility.
 

there are 3 groups within the nordic pantheons and you can read more here:

 
Thanks. I'm trying to do this slowly, very slowly. Dipping my toes in first.

For some reason, I'm reticent to work with the Norse gods. Not because of Them, really. It just seems like I might do better with a more hands-on deity?
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Re: A Question About Goddesses and Mental Illness
« Reply #46 on: May 08, 2014, 05:29:58 pm »
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I've had a great deal of support dealing with OCD, scrupulosity and anxiety from Kuan Yin and working through lovingkindness meditation in general. A significant part of lovingkindness meditation involves practicing feeling compassion for your loved ones, your enemies and for yourself. Left to my own devices I'd skip straight to compassion for my enemies and she made me stop and work on the hard parts, too.

I've also had some very good experiences with Delirium but she's not someone I'd necessarily recommend if you're not familiar with her family and her canon.

 
Jack, one of the first Ones I tried to contact was Kuan Yin. But this was a while ago, like a few years. I think She must be very subtle in Her communication, or that She and I weren't meant to work together, because I didn't get much of a response. It's entirely possible, of course, that it takes a lot for me to recognize Divine communication.  

That said, She seems, from Her lore, to be quite amazing. As does Delirium (especially fascinating). If I never work with either, I'm glad that They both exist out there somewhere.
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Re: A Question About Goddesses and Mental Illness
« Reply #47 on: May 08, 2014, 05:48:12 pm »
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I too have mental health issues and find it can affect my practice. I have been lucky though in that when I have been called by a goddess it has broken through the fog of depression and I have heard the call clearly.

Currently I work with Athena and she has been very much training me to 'rise above' my low mood.
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Re: A Question About Goddesses and Mental Illness
« Reply #48 on: May 08, 2014, 07:53:43 pm »
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Jack, one of the first Ones I tried to contact was Kuan Yin. But this was a while ago, like a few years. I think She must be very subtle in Her communication, or that She and I weren't meant to work together, because I didn't get much of a response. It's entirely possible, of course, that it takes a lot for me to recognize Divine communication.

 
I started with guided meditation and didn't feel any divine presence when I started - when I'm really bad off, I tend to shut down, though, so I have no way of knowing if she was there or not. You may find the meditation helpful even if you get no divine feedback, though. (I can recommend websites if you're interested.)

There have certainly been times when I didn't click with specific gods or entire pantheons, though, and there's nothing wrong with that. (It's Egypt and most of the Celtic gods for me! XD)
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Re: A Question About Goddesses and Mental Illness
« Reply #49 on: May 08, 2014, 09:22:44 pm »
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Thanks. I'm trying to do this slowly, very slowly. Dipping my toes in first.

For some reason, I'm reticent to work with the Norse gods. Not because of Them, really. It just seems like I might do better with a more hands-on deity?

 
hmm depends on what you mean by "hands-on deities"?

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Re: A Question About Goddesses and Mental Illness
« Reply #50 on: May 08, 2014, 10:08:07 pm »
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hmm depends on what you mean by "hands-on deities"?

 
I mean gods who are more likely to be involved (or whatever that looks like for the Divine) in their devotees, individually. Right now, I'm thinking the word bhakti fits my devotional style best...
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Re: A Question About Goddesses and Mental Illness
« Reply #51 on: May 08, 2014, 10:09:11 pm »
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I too have mental health issues and find it can affect my practice. I have been lucky though in that when I have been called by a goddess it has broken through the fog of depression and I have heard the call clearly.

Currently I work with Athena and she has been very much training me to 'rise above' my low mood.

 
I'm glad that you have such a good relationship. :-)
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Re: A Question About Goddesses and Mental Illness
« Reply #52 on: May 08, 2014, 10:11:18 pm »
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They're more relevant to Abrahamic theologies,  but I think we impose similar models onto our gods too.  It's a sociological,  cultural model,  rather than a theological one. But the book is very readable -  take a look yourself and see if you think the model applies. It's an interesting read.

 
I've intended to read this for a while. I really think it'd be fascinating.
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Re: A Question About Goddesses and Mental Illness
« Reply #53 on: May 08, 2014, 10:18:01 pm »
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I started with guided meditation and didn't feel any divine presence when I started - when I'm really bad off, I tend to shut down, though, so I have no way of knowing if she was there or not. You may find the meditation helpful even if you get no divine feedback, though. (I can recommend websites if you're interested.)

There have certainly been times when I didn't click with specific gods or entire pantheons, though, and there's nothing wrong with that. (It's Egypt and most of the Celtic gods for me! XD)

 
I shut down too. And, honestly, on my Bad Days, I can use all the help (Divine or no) help I can get. I would appreciate a little direction that guided meditation might provide. Thank you.

I've been waiting for a click. And it seems it may have come, but I can't say for sure this click will remain...clicking equally for each deity in this particular pattern. I don't know. Time will tell, I suppose.
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Re: A Question About Goddesses and Mental Illness
« Reply #54 on: May 08, 2014, 10:31:22 pm »
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I shut down too. And, honestly, on my Bad Days, I can use all the help (Divine or no) help I can get. I would appreciate a little direction that guided meditation might provide. Thank you.

I've been waiting for a click. And it seems it may have come, but I can't say for sure this click will remain...clicking equally for each deity in this particular pattern. I don't know. Time will tell, I suppose.

 
I hope something from this thread sticks and helps you. :) The meditations I used are by Gil Fronsdal.
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Re: A Question About Goddesses and Mental Illness
« Reply #55 on: May 08, 2014, 11:55:42 pm »
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one reason I included the main page link so that the OP could see the different groups. So I need to post in every instance about my faith and practice a disclaimer? and full run-down on norse theology?

 
I owe you an apology. I'm not heathen myself, so when I didn't recognize Mengloth's name, I looked at your links - but did not look closely enough; just enough to think, 'Oh, Jotnar; that never goes well with the mainstreamers.' (Not because I think the mainstream is always right, but because I know that they can be very, um, direct, in expressing their stance.)

A little knowledge is a dangerous thing - by which I mean, now, not the OP having too little, but me. Had I looked just a little more closely at the links, I would not have posted as I did. I screwed up, and I'm sorry.

I'll note that a link to the 'Who is Mengloth?' page, rather than to the top shrine page, probably would have been a good idea, but I'm not offering that as an excuse for my over-hasty conclusion-jumping, I did click on that page once I was there... and only read the first paragraph or so:ashamed:. Had I been less hasty and continued reading, I would have seen how this is lore-based, and that the 'Eww, Jotnar!' aspect didn't really apply.

So, what you supplied was indeed sufficient. (As a counter-example, to ensure that my haste hasn't misled you about TC's policies/customs: Someone recommending a Jotun who is described in the literature as actively adversarial, and whose rec is based on a personal - their own, or someone else's - gnosis that this depiction is inaccurate, would need to mention that it was UPG, and one likely to be controversial among heathens.)

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Re: A Question About Goddesses and Mental Illness
« Reply #56 on: May 08, 2014, 11:58:29 pm »
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Lee, I was wondering, how much documentation and disclaimer do you recommend in such a situation? When I post about Mara and other Baltic deities, for example, a significant percentage of that is based on UPG and I do not always disclaim it as such in the post itself.

 
If it helps any... I've never at any time felt that you were unclear about the distinction between 'extant lore' and UPG.

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« Reply #57 on: May 09, 2014, 10:49:59 am »
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I owe you an apology. I'm not heathen myself, so when I didn't recognize Mengloth's name, I looked at your links - but did not look closely enough; just enough to think, 'Oh, Jotnar; that never goes well with the mainstreamers.' (Not because I think the mainstream is always right, but because I know that they can be very, um, direct, in expressing their stance.)

A little knowledge is a dangerous thing - by which I mean, now, not the OP having too little, but me. Had I looked just a little more closely at the links, I would not have posted as I did. I screwed up, and I'm sorry.

I'll note that a link to the 'Who is Mengloth?' page, rather than to the top shrine page, probably would have been a good idea, but I'm not offering that as an excuse for my over-hasty conclusion-jumping, I did click on that page once I was there... and only read the first paragraph or so:ashamed:. Had I been less hasty and continued reading, I would have seen how this is lore-based, and that the 'Eww, Jotnar!' aspect didn't really apply.

So, what you supplied was indeed sufficient. (As a counter-example, to ensure that my haste hasn't misled you about TC's policies/customs: Someone recommending a Jotun who is described in the literature as actively adversarial, and whose rec is based on a personal - their own, or someone else's - gnosis that this depiction is inaccurate, would need to mention that it was UPG, and one likely to be controversial among heathens.)

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ok.. I can understand that. What little we have about mengloth and her handmaidens is primarily based in lore. I wanted for the OP to see the list of handmaidens also  but I  I will keep in mind about the "who is" pages. and I would NOT have recommended someone like Surt, Loki, or Hela .. especially for this situation. I thought about recommending Eir, but her specialization tends to be towards surgery and less towards holistic healing from everything I've read.Makes sense because the Aesir are not shy about spilling blood. and sorry if I snapped back prematurely. The people I hang around with have and continue to get a lot of hmm flak for lack of a better term from most heathens because of our practices.. so I can be a little jumpy so if it came across like that. I'm sorry and thanks again for the clarification

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Re: A Question About Goddesses and Mental Illness
« Reply #58 on: May 09, 2014, 11:00:40 am »
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I mean gods who are more likely to be involved (or whatever that looks like for the Divine) in their devotees, individually. Right now, I'm thinking the word bhakti fits my devotional style best...

 
ahh *nods*. Actually the Norse deities can be very active in the lives of their devotees.Currently I'm working with Frey, and it's become a very intense part of my daily devotional practice and outside of my devotionals. it's your choice. the deity you feel best fits what you need is a good place to start.

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Re: A Question About Goddesses and Mental Illness
« Reply #59 on: May 09, 2014, 09:21:43 pm »
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and I would NOT have recommended someone like Surt, Loki, or Hela .. especially for this situation.

 
UPG ahead.

As someone who works with Loki and Sigyn, and who has had contact with Hela, I'd second that Hela isn't the best choice for someone who isn't up to being punched with things, she's very straightforward. She's definitely punched me to deal with my issues, but I was ready for that, and putting them off.

Loki, though? I've been working with him a month, only slightly shorter than I have with Sigyn (baby pagan), and he's great with this. He's a father, and a crazy uncle, all at once, he tries to cheer me up when I'm sad and he gives me the tools to deal with what I have to deal with.

(Or, in my case, avoiding dealing with it, brings in Hela to gut punch me and make me do so)

But the thing about Loki is, even though in lore he's cast as the Norse Devil, that's a Christian concept because it was Christians who wrote it down. I've never had "Norse Devil" vibes from him, he's been nothing but kind to me.

As I say, pure UPG, but I'd say, from my and other Lokean's experiences that I've talked  to and seen, that he's actually great for handing you the tools to try and deal with things.
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