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Author Topic: "Hecate is a Crone Goddess" and Other 'Myth'conceptions  (Read 14393 times)

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Re: "Hecate is a Crone Goddess" and Other 'Myth'conceptions...
« Reply #45 on: July 18, 2011, 12:09:55 am »
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If by "huggy" we mean "like embracing a cactus" and "kissy" we mean "that of a Dementor", then yes.


 
That's exactly what I was thinking.  I guess I didn't realize there was a mythconception that TM was the fuzzy wuzzy type.  If she were I doubt she'd be kicking my ass all the time.  Of course I fully admit that it's my own fault.  She only does it when I get whiny and don't stand up for myself.

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Re: "Hecate is a Crone Goddess" and Other 'Myth'conceptions...
« Reply #46 on: July 18, 2011, 03:25:49 am »
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Re: "Hecate is a Crone Goddess" and Other 'Myth'conceptions...
« Reply #47 on: July 18, 2011, 04:54:08 am »
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That's exactly what I was thinking.  I guess I didn't realize there was a mythconception that TM was the fuzzy wuzzy type.  If she were I doubt she'd be kicking my ass all the time.  Of course I fully admit that it's my own fault.  She only does it when I get whiny and don't stand up for myself.

 
She kicks my ass all the time. Calls me names like "weakling" and when I scream back at Her that I'm not, She says "Now, see, why can't I get you to put that fight towards [current situation]?" Mainly because I'm a master at self-deception, and She needs to constantly break down the mirrors in which I see a lie.
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Re: "Hecate is a Crone Goddess" and Other 'Myth'conceptions...
« Reply #48 on: July 18, 2011, 11:23:02 am »
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 I guess I didn't realize there was a mythconception that TM was the fuzzy wuzzy type.


I don't know how wide spread it is. It's an idea that I used to run into quite a bit, though. Mostly from the ancient matriarchy, when the world was all peaceful and perfect before the men took over, crowd. The logic, for lack of a better word, went something like this;

The Morrigan is just another aspect of The Great Mother Goddess who loves us all and only wants the best for us, so she's really only interested in in protecting us, as any mother would. That's where her warrior aspect comes from, because mothers will fight for their children. Cause, you know, there weren't any wars back then. When the mean old patriarchal men took over, they were afraid of Her and tried to make her look evil and dangerous.  They turned Her into a war goddess, because women hate war, so that we would stop worshiping Her. She's really quite misunderstood!:rolleye::

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Re: "Hecate is a Crone Goddess" and Other 'Myth'conceptions...
« Reply #49 on: July 18, 2011, 04:10:32 pm »
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I don't know how wide spread it is. It's an idea that I used to run into quite a bit, though. Mostly from the ancient matriarchy, when the world was all peaceful and perfect before the men took over, crowd. The logic, for lack of a better word, went something like this;

The Morrigan is just another aspect of The Great Mother Goddess who loves us all and only wants the best for us, so she's really only interested in in protecting us, as any mother would. That's where her warrior aspect comes from, because mothers will fight for their children. Cause, you know, there weren't any wars back then. When the mean old patriarchal men took over, they were afraid of Her and tried to make her look evil and dangerous.  They turned Her into a war goddess, because women hate war, so that we would stop worshiping Her. She's really quite misunderstood!:rolleye::

 
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Re: "Hecate is a Crone Goddess" and Other 'Myth'conceptions...
« Reply #50 on: July 18, 2011, 06:04:30 pm »
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I don't know how wide spread it is. It's an idea that I used to run into quite a bit, though. Mostly from the ancient matriarchy, when the world was all peaceful and perfect before the men took over, crowd. The logic, for lack of a better word, went something like this;

The Morrigan is just another aspect of The Great Mother Goddess who loves us all and only wants the best for us, so she's really only interested in in protecting us, as any mother would. That's where her warrior aspect comes from, because mothers will fight for their children. Cause, you know, there weren't any wars back then. When the mean old patriarchal men took over, they were afraid of Her and tried to make her look evil and dangerous.  They turned Her into a war goddess, because women hate war, so that we would stop worshiping Her. She's really quite misunderstood!:rolleye::

 
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Re: "Hecate is a Crone Goddess" and Other 'Myth'conceptions...
« Reply #51 on: July 18, 2011, 07:42:09 pm »
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I don't know how wide spread it is. It's an idea that I used to run into quite a bit, though. Mostly from the ancient matriarchy, when the world was all peaceful and perfect before the men took over, crowd. The logic, for lack of a better word, went something like this;

The Morrigan is just another aspect of The Great Mother Goddess who loves us all and only wants the best for us, so she's really only interested in in protecting us, as any mother would. That's where her warrior aspect comes from, because mothers will fight for their children. Cause, you know, there weren't any wars back then. When the mean old patriarchal men took over, they were afraid of Her and tried to make her look evil and dangerous.  They turned Her into a war goddess, because women hate war, so that we would stop worshiping Her. She's really quite misunderstood!:rolleye::

 
I think I've heard the same story about a thousand times now. I think it's a good story, but as historical fact? Um...I'll get back to you on that one. For male deities, almost half of them are "dying and rising gods" it seems. Barbara Walker is particularly egregious for this, practically EVERY male deity is a "sacred king".

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Re: "Hecate is a Crone Goddess" and Other 'Myth'conceptions...
« Reply #52 on: July 18, 2011, 08:18:29 pm »
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For male deities, almost half of them are "dying and rising gods" it seems. Barbara Walker is particularly egregious for this, practically EVERY male deity is a "sacred king".

 
Now, that's partly Fraser's fault, for getting all monomythological and longwinded about his particular agenda.  Only partly, though - he does state that (rather nastily anti-pagan) agenda in the front material of The Golden Bough; the assumption that TGB is a true, unbiased, and comprehensive compendium of preChristian belief (rather than a very long thesis to prove a point) is the fault of umpteen bazillion romanticizing readers who didn't actually bother to read.

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Re: "Hecate is a Crone Goddess" and Other 'Myth'conceptions...
« Reply #53 on: July 21, 2011, 12:41:47 pm »
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Now, what is interesting is that the word that is commonly accepted to mean "cat" is here translated as "polecat", which aren't cats, they're weasels! I guess "goddess of weasels" doesn't sound as glamorous or "witchy" as "goddess of cats".

 
When I was younger, I tried to explain that to my Greek mythology teacher. He wasn't buying it. Either way, this gave me the need to do a nice early morning fist pump. :D

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« Reply #54 on: July 24, 2011, 01:52:57 am »
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If by "huggy" we mean "like embracing a cactus" and "kissy" we mean "that of a Dementor", then yes.


*snrk*  That made me laugh.

Misconceptions...I haven't heard many about the gods; I'm lucky enough that all the people I know who have more than a passing interest in mythology bothered to do the research, so none there.

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Re: "Hecate is a Crone Goddess" and Other 'Myth'conceptions...
« Reply #55 on: September 24, 2011, 11:38:17 am »
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What strange/odd/blatantly untrue things have you heard regarding the gods?

 
"Kali Yuga" means "age of the goddess".
That makes me absolutely furious.

I can sort of understand HOW some would think it, but to me, it shows that they haven't really studied the yuga ideas of Hinduism.


It's something that's quite often misunderstood, but I thought I would explain it for anyone reading who doesn't know:

There are two Kalis. Kali [f.] and Kali [m.]. There is a different in their pronunciation.

Kali, the Mother Goddess, is Kaalii, or Kālī. She is the goddess of time and change. Her name pretty much translates to "lady time" or "dark female", or "lady destruction". (kālī, from kāla: dark, black, death, or time (as in, my time has come); Śiva the Hindu god is also called as Kāla).

Kali, the malevolent entity, a demon, and king of the Kali Yuga. His name, Kali, is short, and sounds like "kuhlih" (a in "about", "i" as "in", whereas Kālī's name has the a in fa[/u]ther, and the ea in tea[/u]m. Kali comes from the root "kad", meaning "hurt, confusion".

If one takes Hindu eschatology seriously, then the Kali Yuga is going to occur for another 426,887 years (it lasts 432,000 years; we've had 5,113 so far), so life is gonna be tougher to get enlightened in and escape the cycle of reincarnation. It's not an age of goodness, but one of suffering and misery, definitely not fitting of Kālī's name; she's misunderstood enough as it is.

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Re: "Hecate is a Crone Goddess" and Other 'Myth'conceptions...
« Reply #56 on: October 02, 2011, 09:23:14 pm »
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What strange/odd/blatantly untrue things have you heard regarding the gods?

For instance, there's the 'Hecate is a crone goddess,' one that seems to annoy Hellenics everywhere

 
Speaking of Hekate....I enver quite understood where people get it that she led Persephone from the underworld- Hermes did that. Hekate helped Demeter.

There's also the one that says that Hestia gave up her place on Olympus for Dionysus.

Come to think of it the very idea that there are no more than 12 Olympian gods to the Greeks is rather a myth.

And a rather spectacular one that I remember seeing in one of DJ Conway's books (I'm pretty sure it was hers) that said that Apollo was originally a goddess, and we know this because he had male lovers.

I've also seen in one place or another, just about every god on Olympus cited as a deity of healing.

Oh, and Itzpapalotl is a sweet, harmless maiden that likes butterflies and occasionally like to gently tease men. (Forget where I'd seen this gem)

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Re: "Hecate is a Crone Goddess" and Other 'Myth'conceptions...
« Reply #57 on: October 02, 2011, 09:45:41 pm »
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And a rather spectacular one that I remember seeing in one of DJ Conway's books (I'm pretty sure it was hers) that said that Apollo was originally a goddess, and we know this because he had male lovers.

 
That would mean that most of the major male deities of that pantheon were originally goddesses.  And by extension that would mean gay and bisexual human males were originally females (and vice-versa for gay and bi human females).  Because obviously being attracted to members of one's own sex is impossible unless one was originally a member of the opposite sex.

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Re: "Hecate is a Crone Goddess" and Other 'Myth'conceptions...
« Reply #58 on: October 02, 2011, 09:51:44 pm »
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There's also the one that says that Hestia gave up her place on Olympus for Dionysus.



Uh, She did.  That's why she's given the first and last offering during the gods' rites.
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« Reply #59 on: October 03, 2011, 12:55:45 am »
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Uh, She did.  That's why she's given the first and last offering during the gods' rites.

 
??? That's not why. She's given first and last because she was the first born of Rheia but the last one to come out of Kronus.

Robert Graves came up with the "Hestia gave up her seat for Dionysos" and tried to pass it off as ancient myth, but there has never been any evidence to support that. I would have had less of an issue if he had claimed UPG, but he didn't.
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