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Re: "Fictional" deities
« Reply #15 on: March 07, 2013, 03:49:46 pm »
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I actually know someone who's had very good results from working with Aslan and I've worked with him myself. He seems real enough to me.

 
Curious - how has that worked out?
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Re: "Fictional" deities
« Reply #16 on: March 07, 2013, 03:55:03 pm »
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Curious - how has that worked out?

 
Addendum: as CS Lewis meant Aslan to be a Christ-figurehead, would you say the Aslan you worked with was ...Christ-like?
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Re: "Fictional" deities
« Reply #17 on: March 07, 2013, 07:06:33 pm »
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Curious - how has that worked out?

 
Very well for her. I don't work so much with Lightbringers as a type - Kuan Yin is my go-to for comfort - but he's her primary Reiki guide as well as the main god on her altar and has been most of the time I've known her, so she must be getting something out of it. :)

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Addendum: as CS Lewis meant Aslan to be a Christ-figurehead, would you say the Aslan you worked with was ...Christ-like?

 
Sure, in roughly the same way, say, the Buddha is Christ-like.
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Re: "Fictional" deities
« Reply #18 on: March 07, 2013, 08:46:27 pm »
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I actually know someone who's had very good results from working with Aslan and I've worked with him myself. He seems real enough to me.

 
I think I "believed" in Aslan far more than I ever "believed" in Jesus Christ when I was six, and even now, when my relationship with Jesus Christ is a bit more nuanced, he's as real as Jesus Christ to me.
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« Reply #19 on: March 08, 2013, 02:35:53 am »
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Very well for her. I don't work so much with Lightbringers as a type - Kuan Yin is my go-to for comfort - but he's her primary Reiki guide as well as the main god on her altar and has been most of the time I've known her, so she must be getting something out of it. :)


 
Oh, I didn't want to imply that her experiences -or yours- weren't 'real' I was more curious about how those experiences could fit with my theory.

Part of my religious path involves getting to the core of 'storytelling as sacred art' which is mostly about delving into the initiatic potentialities in telling a story - basically knowing a subject/truth through fictional exploration, admitting that a story that takes form through inspiration is more something 'discovered' than 'created'.

Which it is not to say that I think Narnia is real, but potentially, in some form, the idea of Aslan and other Narnia-things might have predated  CS Lewis tapping into it.

It goes back to the concept of the act of creation not being entirely conscious or rational, for the artist.
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« Reply #20 on: March 08, 2013, 02:51:03 am »
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Oh, I didn't want to imply that her experiences -or yours- weren't 'real' I was more curious about how those experiences could fit with my theory.

Part of my religious path involves getting to the core of 'storytelling as sacred art' which is mostly about delving into the initiatic potentialities in telling a story - basically knowing a subject/truth through fictional exploration, admitting that a story that takes form through inspiration is more something 'discovered' than 'created'.

Which it is not to say that I think Narnia is real, but potentially, in some form, the idea of Aslan and other Narnia-things might have predated  CS Lewis tapping into it.

It goes back to the concept of the act of creation not being entirely conscious or rational, for the artist.

 
That is not unrelated to religious work I'm doing, actually. Very interesting. Have you written about this at all?

(Also, you can totally say you think Narnia is real, I won't argue with you. :))
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« Reply #21 on: March 08, 2013, 03:21:12 am »
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That is not unrelated to religious work I'm doing, actually. Very interesting. Have you written about this at all?

(Also, you can totally say you think Narnia is real, I won't argue with you. :))

 
A little actually, but for now it is mostly a collection of impressions and related quotes :

http://seastruckbythecrossroads.wordpress.com/tag/sacred-storytelling

http://seastruckbythecrossroads.wordpress.com/2012/05/05/the-sacred-in-storytelling/

I have been interested in how the 'original' myths came into being and how that process might be delved into, if one wanted it or was called to it. I have been feeling a strong connection of that process to the goddess Psyche in ways I can't yet pinpoint but I look forward exploring in future.

I also found that the Hellenic phenomenon of nympholepsy gives good basis for historical precedents, given the fact Hellenes were sure every single form of inspiration , in science or art was the result of a divine rapture ( inspiration in itself was considered just that). A counterpoint to that is the bard figure in the Celtic world.


This tough the sort of subject that I find easier to explore in the practice of writing, altough it requires to approach writing in a certain way (steering away from wishfullfillment fantasies for one, and trying to 'listen' to the story instead of controlling it).
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Re: "Fictional" deities
« Reply #22 on: March 08, 2013, 05:05:22 am »
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That is not unrelated to religious work I'm doing, actually. Very interesting. Have you written about this at all?

(Also, you can totally say you think Narnia is real, I won't argue with you. :))

 
I've heard lots of people arguing for many fictional worlds being real in some sense, as a kind of interpretation of a connection with faerie or other types of otherworlds. I've seen this a lot with Lord of the Rings - that Tolkien tapped into faerie when he was working with the world he created there. I don't have an opinion, but it's certainly an interesting idea, in terms of where fictional worlds in some sense 'come from'.
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Re: "Fictional" deities
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I was just wondering if anyone here ever works with deities invented in works of fiction. For example, the pantheons of Terry Pratchett's Discworld, the gods and goddesses of The Legend of Zelda or The Elder Scrolls, or maybe just The Flying Spaghetti Monster. I don't myself, but I was curious about anyone else's opinions or experiences. Do you believe that people can have legitimate relationships or religious experiences with deities that are specifically meant to be viewed as fictional?

 
There are those who have used the Lovecraft Mythos in their craft and were very successful in their work.

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« Reply #24 on: March 09, 2013, 11:43:01 am »
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I was just wondering if anyone here ever works with deities invented in works of fiction. For example, the pantheons of Terry Pratchett's Discworld, the gods and goddesses of The Legend of Zelda or The Elder Scrolls, or maybe just The Flying Spaghetti Monster. I don't myself, but I was curious about anyone else's opinions or experiences. Do you believe that people can have legitimate relationships or religious experiences with deities that are specifically meant to be viewed as fictional?

 

I was thinking about this thread while at the grocery store last night, and I was reminded of how a couple days before you posted this I had been wishing that a certain character from a book I like was a real deity. How what he represents is a stunning ideal to me.

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« Reply #25 on: March 10, 2013, 08:18:13 pm »
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I was thinking about this thread while at the grocery store last night, and I was reminded of how a couple days before you posted this I had been wishing that a certain character from a book I like was a real deity. How what he represents is a stunning ideal to me.


I do this all the time. All. The. Time, including with my own fiction. My fictional deities have definite real-world inspirations though (f'ex the god of love is a mashup of Dionysus and Aphrodite, while the god of thieves is more like a male Laverna).

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« Reply #26 on: March 10, 2013, 11:49:18 pm »
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I was just wondering if anyone here ever works with deities invented in works of fiction. For example, the pantheons of Terry Pratchett's Discworld, the gods and goddesses of The Legend of Zelda or The Elder Scrolls, or maybe just The Flying Spaghetti Monster. I don't myself, but I was curious about anyone else's opinions or experiences. Do you believe that people can have legitimate relationships or religious experiences with deities that are specifically meant to be viewed as fictional?

 
All deities are fictional, to some extent. I think all deities are complex symbols we use to relate to what is unknowable and beyond our understanding, so it doesn't really matter whether someone uses concepts of divinity from ancient cultures or fictional stories if they resonate with that person.

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« Reply #27 on: March 11, 2013, 12:36:06 am »
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I was just wondering if anyone here ever works with deities invented in works of fiction. For example, the pantheons of Terry Pratchett's Discworld, the gods and goddesses of The Legend of Zelda or The Elder Scrolls, or maybe just The Flying Spaghetti Monster. I don't myself, but I was curious about anyone else's opinions or experiences. Do you believe that people can have legitimate relationships or religious experiences with deities that are specifically meant to be viewed as fictional?

 
this is a really cool idea! i like it.

i kiiinda do this because i make up my own gods so that they're closer to me and i know more about them. i sort of think of gods like personifications of power so whatever you name it or however you worship it and whatnot, its still a force in the universe. but also sometimes i feel like every god is still their own person. not just the same dude with a lot of names. so to sum it up: this was a really confusing answer that went all over the place.

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« Reply #28 on: March 11, 2013, 04:37:26 pm »
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I was just wondering if anyone here ever works with deities invented in works of fiction. For example, the pantheons of Terry Pratchett's Discworld, the gods and goddesses of The Legend of Zelda or The Elder Scrolls, or maybe just The Flying Spaghetti Monster. I don't myself, but I was curious about anyone else's opinions or experiences. Do you believe that people can have legitimate relationships or religious experiences with deities that are specifically meant to be viewed as fictional?

 
I remember seeing a thread (I think it was on this forum) on a similar topic where someone said they had worked with the Chaos Gods of the Warhammer/W40K universe and had thought it went okay.

I remember thinking at the time "Assuming you're telling the truth; What's wrong with you?!"

You'd have to be a Warhammer or W40K fan to understand my reaction.
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« Reply #29 on: March 11, 2013, 04:45:55 pm »
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I remember seeing a thread (I think it was on this forum) on a similar topic where someone said they had worked with the Chaos Gods of the Warhammer/W40K universe and had thought it went okay.

I remember thinking at the time "Assuming you're telling the truth; What's wrong with you?!"

You'd have to be a Warhammer or W40K fan to understand my reaction.


I'm not entirely familiar with 40K but I know enough to echo the "What's wrong with you?!"  :)

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