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Tim Tebow & public displays of piety
« on: March 27, 2012, 06:39:35 pm »
Evangelical quarterback Tim Tebow has come to my hometown, New York. And I am displeased.

It's not that he's hard on the eyes (quite the opposite). It's not that I care what his religion is; that's his business.

The problem is, he seems intent on making his religion everybody's business, and that nonsense drives me batty. And not just Tebow; all too often, at some awards ceremony, some person (usually black like me, lamentably) will ostentatiously thank "Jesus Christ, my Lord and Savior," and all I want to do is scream at the TV screen, "And if you'd lost, would you have thanked him then?!"

As Darkhawk mentioned in another thread:

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As a general rule, I think it tacky to talk overmuch about religion in spaces in which that is not on point; this is how I was raised, to treat religion as a private, personal matter. This means that I find overwhelming chunks of public discourse to be tacky. This is not wisdom; this is the standard of civility and privacy I was taught by my environment as a child.

I couldn't have said it better. But to me, it's not only that it's tacky:

--Are you that insecure? Do you have to parade your religious belief in order to convince yourself that it's genuine?

--Here in the U.S., it's nearly always evangelical Christians who do it. To me, this smacks of an attempt to "enforce" a religious hegemony in the public sphere

And now, Tebow is in NYC...one the most religiously diverse cities in the country, if not the world. We have everything, including oodles of those who believe in nothing. How are they supposed to root for the hometown team with Tebow's antics getting in the way every 10 seconds?

Am I overreacting? Is he worthy of scorn? Or are his public pieties harmless? Or maybe his devotion to his beliefs should even be applauded? What's your take?
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Re: Tim Tebow & public displays of piety
« Reply #1 on: March 27, 2012, 06:44:41 pm »
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Evangelical quarterback Tim Tebow has come to my hometown, New York. And I am displeased.

It's not that he's hard on the eyes (quite the opposite). It's not that I care what his religion is; that's his business.

The problem is, he seems intent on making his religion everybody's business, and that nonsense drives me batty. And not just Tebow; all too often, at some awards ceremony, some person (usually black like me, lamentably) will ostentatiously thank "Jesus Christ, my Lord and Savior," and all I want to do is scream at the TV screen, "And if you'd lost, would you have thanked him then?!"

As Darkhawk mentioned in another thread:



I couldn't have said it better. But to me, it's not only that it's tacky:

--Are you that insecure? Do you have to parade your religious belief in order to convince yourself that it's genuine?

--Here in the U.S., it's nearly always evangelical Christians who do it. To me, this smacks of an attempt to "enforce" a religious hegemony in the public sphere

And now, Tebow is in NYC...one the most religiously diverse cities in the country, if not the world. We have everything, including oodles of those who believe in nothing. How are they supposed to root for the hometown team with Tebow's antics getting in the way every 10 seconds?

Am I overreacting? Is he worthy of scorn? Or are his public pieties harmless? Or maybe his devotion to his belief even be applauded? What's your take?

 
I'm glad he's the hell out of Denver!  I heard he already has a sandwich named after him out there.  I imagine said sandwich comes already sacked, has extra virgin olive oil, and can't pass for anything.

I for one thinks he needs to just shut up about his faith already.  His job is to play a sport, not use that as a platform to preach.

Honestly though, from what I've heard about the NY media, he'll be old news as soon as he loses two games and Sanchez will be the starter again no later than 1/3 of the season being over with.
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Re: Tim Tebow & public displays of piety
« Reply #2 on: March 27, 2012, 06:56:45 pm »
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Evangelical quarterback Tim Tebow has come to my hometown, New York. And I am displeased.

I just roll my eyes at people who try to give all the credit for their every success to their God. It must be nice to have a deity with nothing better to do than to make touchdowns  (or sales, or whatever) for you because you aren't able to do it on your own.

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And not just Tebow; all too often, at some awards ceremony, some person (usually black like me, lamentably) will ostentatiously thank "Jesus Christ, my Lord and Savior," and all I want to do is scream at the TV screen, "And if you'd lost, would you have thanked him then?!"
As far as I can tell this weird mentality affects white just as much as blacks -- at least I see a lot of white people doing it too. In my experience, they give their God credit for every success while every failure is their responsibility (or Satan's in a few cases). It makes no sense to me. Never has. I could see giving your deity credit for miraculous successes (in sports terms, catching that Hail Mary pass because you tripped and fell  and the football landed in your hands as you got back up and you managed to stagger across the goal line and win the game), but for normal stuff????

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Am I overreacting? Is he worthy of scorn? Or are his public pieties harmless? Or maybe his devotion to his belief even be applauded? What's your take?
To me, you are overreacting a bit. Of course, I've spent most of my life in the South where this stuff is much more common so I'm biased toward seeing it as "I can't understand it weird but still normal."
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Re: Tim Tebow & public displays of piety
« Reply #3 on: March 27, 2012, 07:11:15 pm »
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I for one thinks he needs to just shut up about his faith already.  His job is to play a sport, not use that as a platform to preach.


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Honestly though, from what I've heard about the NY media, he'll be old news as soon as he loses two games and Sanchez will be the starter again no later than 1/3 of the season being over with.


Supposedly Sanchez remains the Jets' starting QB. So maybe Tebow will spend his entire life on the bench...and he can thank Jesus for it.
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Re: Tim Tebow & public displays of piety
« Reply #4 on: March 27, 2012, 07:20:25 pm »
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I just roll my eyes at people who try to give all the credit for their every success to their God. It must be nice to have a deity with nothing better to do than to make touchdowns  (or sales, or whatever) for you because you aren't able to do it on your own.


Exactly. They read the Lord's handiwork into it when they want to, and somehow fail to see it when it's not convenient.

In that vein, I wonder what message from his god Tebow received from this year's Super Bowl: The Giants from New York (which at the time was the most recent state to legalize same-sex marriage) vs. the New England Patriots, from Massachusetts (the first state to do so)--the Marriage Equality Super Bowl!
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Re: Tim Tebow & public displays of piety
« Reply #5 on: March 27, 2012, 07:26:02 pm »
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Am I overreacting? Is he worthy of scorn? Or are his public pieties harmless? Or maybe his devotion to his beliefs should even be applauded? What's your take?



I absolutely hate Tim Tebow.

At first, I thought he was pretty brave to be so up front about his faith. Then it started to become highly annoying and now it's just down right obnoxious.

The NFL, not to mention mainstream society, would never tolerate a pagan's overly religious celebrations and salutes in the end zones and on the side lines in public, and the audience would have a field day with it. So why in the hell should people have to tolerate it with Tim Tebow??? We shouldn't.

They need to start fining his rear end every single time he does that in the games and that would wipe that crap out in a hurry. I'm sick and tired of the double standards when it comes to Christians being able to subject everyone to their religious piety.

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Re: Tim Tebow & public displays of piety
« Reply #6 on: March 27, 2012, 07:30:54 pm »
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They need to start fining his rear end every single time he does that in the games and that would wipe that crap out in a hurry. I'm sick and tired of the double standards when it comes to Christians being able to subject everyone to their religious piety.

I know nothing about Tim Tebow except that he's a football player and a Christian.  We're not a "sports family".  What's he doing that's problematic?

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Re: Tim Tebow & public displays of piety
« Reply #7 on: March 27, 2012, 08:04:09 pm »
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Evangelical quarterback Tim Tebow has come to my hometown, New York. And I am displeased.

What's your take?

 
I think you're kinda brilliant, that's my take! You pretty much hit on everything that I could have said about all of it. Unless the specific topic is religion or spirituality, then there's really no need to parade it out in front of everybody like he does. And yeah, why doesn't everyone thank their Higher Power when they lose? Perhaps because the Higher Power really doesn't give a crap one way or the other about who does or doesn't win a football GAME!

But, of course, that's just my take on things.  :ange:

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Tim Tebow & public displays of piety
« Reply #8 on: March 27, 2012, 08:21:17 pm »
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I know nothing about Tim Tebow except that he's a football player and a Christian.  We're not a "sports family".  What's he doing that's problematic?

Brina

 
While I'm with Brina regarding knowledge of Tebow (who? what? huh?), I have to say it's irritated me for years when people insist on thanking God for whatever it is they're getting recognition for.

Should my mother thank God I didn't die of a pulmonary embulism three years ago? Or did it have more to do with the EMTs at the firehouse a block away from us, the ER staff at the hospital only five minutes from our apartment, and the fact that I'm a stubborn wench who kept fighting? I mean, there may have been some divine assistance (one of my aunts is a nun, and most of the local family are fairly devout), but there were a bunch of other factors involved.
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Re: Tim Tebow & public displays of piety
« Reply #9 on: March 27, 2012, 09:01:12 pm »
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I know nothing about Tim Tebow except that he's a football player and a Christian.  We're not a "sports family".  What's he doing that's problematic?

Brina


from http://www.spokesman.com/stories/2011/dec/18/tebow-remains-polarizing-figure-in-sports/:

"Man of faith or religious zealot? Tim Tebow, the Denver Broncos’ quarterback who continues to defy his critics, has become the most polarizing, and talked about, figure in professional sports today.

"There he is, leading his team to believe in another improbable victory. There he is, kneeling in that now-familiar “Tebowing” pose, praying on the sideline. There he is, singing hymns as he marches onto the field, thanking God for another divine win....

"As quarterback for University of Florida, Tebow had scripture written on his eye black. The next day, those scriptures became the most Googled bible verses. College officials, however, weren’t pleased and the NCAA has since banned the practice.

"Last year, Tebow was in the spotlight after appearing in an anti-abortion ad that aired during the Super Bowl. 'I know some people won’t agree with it,' Tebow said about the ad. 'But I think they can at least respect that I stand up for what I believe.'"

I actually don't have a problem with his making the ad--esp. considering his personal story--even though I disagree vehemently with his position. But the rest? Blecch.
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Re: Tim Tebow & public displays of piety
« Reply #10 on: March 27, 2012, 09:14:28 pm »
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I was always under the impression that in solely American sports, being pretty openly Christian was an accepted thing. I mean... very few NHL players speak out about religion (discussion of personal life seems very conservative in the NHL). CFL... you see prayer circles (where they're kneeling on the field, etc.) and some brief blurbs about God, but not as much as I'll hear about the NFL, NBA, MLB...

Hm.
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« Reply #11 on: March 27, 2012, 09:23:33 pm »
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And not just Tebow; all too often, at some awards ceremony, some person (usually black like me, lamentably) will ostentatiously thank "Jesus Christ, my Lord and Savior," and all I want to do is scream at the TV screen, "And if you'd lost, would you have thanked him then?!"

What's your take?

Every time I hear this happen I think of the several Bible passages that actually warn against this kind of thing in way; especially in the New Testament where the rewards are meant to be in heaven and those given on earth almost mar an existence. The beatitudes come to mind too. The meek shall inherit and the last shall be first, not the one with the Oscar or best pr tactic. But that's my cherry picking too.

I only know the guy from the media and do not follow sports, but it has annoyed me because I was raised to believe a similar thing. Include with religion, money and politics and you have the three no-no for public discussion. (Why they did not include bodily functions and sex, I have no idea.)

Things have changed so much in only 40 years and I am apt to change with them for the most part, but I do not feel my expressions of faith would be as welcomed as his in any public venue save ones like this.

I am not envious of his expression, but I am worried a little about the potential blowback his demonstrations might cause him later. It is with some relief that while I do not follow sports, I know sports fans, and playing ideological victim in that venue is not going to work. Not that he's tried it, but a relief that he won't be able to as so many have in the past in other arenas.
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« Reply #12 on: March 27, 2012, 09:27:29 pm »
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Evangelical quarterback Tim Tebow has come to my hometown, New York. And I am displeased.

It's not that he's hard on the eyes (quite the opposite). It's not that I care what his religion is; that's his business.

I haven't liked him since he played at Florida. I mean I get the point, your a Christian and you are really happy about that. But geeze man, every freakin' chance he gets and just starts in on all that crap. It gets old after the thousand times a head it, it gets old real fast.  I have no problems with Christians, but I do have a problem with people forcing their religion down my throat every chance they get. And living in Colorado, I'm glad to see him go, because the people here and obsessed with him.
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Re: Tim Tebow & public displays of piety
« Reply #13 on: March 27, 2012, 10:03:05 pm »
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And living in Colorado, I'm glad to see him go, because the people here and obsessed with him.

 
I'm holding you and Etheric personally responsible for my pain.

I know a woman, married to a famous man and richer than Midas, and you'd never know it to talk to her. She's utterly down to earth--and a devout Christian Scientist. You'd never know that either.

That the way to do it. That's what I respect.
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« Reply #14 on: March 27, 2012, 10:04:13 pm »
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What's your take?

 
I had the misfortune of being at UF while he was playing there, and the guy is a sanctimonious, misogynistic, homophobic creepy-ass dirtbag who feels entitled to slop his Jesus all over everyone else.  Beyond Tebow, I really think that we should have religious harassment laws that run along the same lines as sexual harassment laws.  Like, there's a difference between consensual flirting and masturbating on the subway, and Tebow and his ilk are doing the equivalent of whipping it out and waving it in the faces of innocent bystanders.

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