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Re: Dealings with devout Christians
« Reply #60 on: February 08, 2013, 02:50:07 pm »
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Thankfully its not that bad where I live. The only thing that does get on my nerves is the way people assume that because you're pagan that you worship satan and sacrifice lambs under the full moon!

If people are willing to listen to you then its easy to try and talk sense into them, its the 'my way or no way' people that I find hard to talk to

 
Just walk away.  Sometimes it's easier said than done.  But those are the people who will never open their minds to new possibilities for whatever reason.
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Re: Dealings with devout Christians
« Reply #61 on: November 11, 2013, 03:40:01 pm »
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Of it not being safe, physically or emotionally, for my girlfriend to hold hands with me, because she's the wrong race and I'm the wrong sex.

It's exhausting, and it's heartbreaking. My neighbors have and continue to vote against my civil rights as a queer individual. Not all of them, of course - there are liberals and non-Christians in town, and not all the conservatives or Christians are bad people who hate gays - but dammit if I don't feel constant pressure for being wrong, and I'm not even super out of the closet.
It just makes me sad that when I end up moving in with my girlfriend in the next few years, I can't live here. I mean that I do not have the mental spoons to do it. I can't raise a family here. I can't build a life. This culture is toxic and consistently tells me I'm wrong for being a queer Pagan, and I can't do this for much longer.

as someone who is simultaneously trying to sort out his faith, sexual orientation, and gender identity while living with his conservative mom in north Florida, I offer my sympathy and I hope you find a place that's more accepting
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Re: Dealings with devout Christians
« Reply #62 on: November 11, 2013, 07:01:18 pm »
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anyway how do you think they would react if I respond to them with "Oh yeah Jesus he's the 1st avatar of that one Semitic god right?" [smirks]

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Re: Dealings with devout Christians
« Reply #63 on: November 11, 2013, 10:08:52 pm »
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anyway how do you think they would react if I respond to them with "Oh yeah Jesus he's the 1st avatar of that one Semitic god right?" [smirks]

 
I suspect they'd mostly be confused.
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Re: Dealings with devout Christians
« Reply #64 on: January 05, 2014, 09:22:16 am »
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Hi everyone

Having recently converted to Paganism I've had a couple of run-ins with devout Christians and was wondering how you dealt with them. At the moment I'm just trying to ignore the constant evangelism!

Thanks

 So far for me I have not gotten a lot of attention even though i am a regular attender of church services in my local area.

I have gotten a weird glance from my pastor since I was wearing ear rings my mother bought me that have pentagrams on them.

but so far things have not gotten to horribly bad just yet.

hopefully others can have just as good a luck as I am.

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Re: Dealings with devout Christians
« Reply #65 on: January 05, 2014, 01:02:06 pm »
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So far for me I have not gotten a lot of attention even though i am a regular attender of church services in my local area.

I have gotten a weird glance from my pastor since I was wearing ear rings my mother bought me that have pentagrams on them.

but so far things have not gotten to horribly bad just yet.

hopefully others can have just as good a luck as I am.



You could always remind him of the use of the pentagram in early church history  - IIRC it was a very close run thing whether the pentagram or the cross was finally adopted as the main christian symbol.  

In fact around here there are several christian buildings which feature the pentagram - this one for example

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Re: Dealings with devout Christians
« Reply #66 on: January 05, 2014, 01:23:16 pm »
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You could always remind him of the use of the pentagram in early church history  - IIRC it was a very close run thing whether the pentagram or the cross was finally adopted as the main christian symbol.  

In fact around here there are several christian buildings which feature the pentagram - this one for example

 
After reading through this thread I feel extremely lucky. My family are all devout Christians with the exception on maybe three of us. We get the odd request to go to church but are able to politely refuse and whoever asked never pushes. The only attempt to try to convert us is made at Christmas when they are pray. My uncle usually leads the prayer and also says something along the lines of "Jesus help those who haven't accepted you into their hearts to do so this coming year...". I don't even think that is specifically directed at us since he has been doing that since before I can remember.

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Re: Dealings with devout Christians
« Reply #67 on: January 05, 2014, 01:25:35 pm »
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Hi everyone

Having recently converted to Paganism I've had a couple of run-ins with devout Christians and was wondering how you dealt with them. At the moment I'm just trying to ignore the constant evangelism!

Thanks

In the past I would have argued with them or dismissed them. Now I try to engage with them if I have the time and they are good company. Speaking with a Christian who is passionate about their faith can be very rewarding. I like to hear what other people believe and how their faith has changed them. I've learnt a lot from my encounters with different Christians, and I think that there's something beautiful about a person who cares about me and wants me to go to heaven when I die. I may not agree with what they believe, but I appreciate their motive.

I'm less patient with Christians who try to convert people as a gamer tries to score points in game. Highest number of converts wins! When I meet Christians like that, I usually try to steer the talk towards their own personal experiences with their faith. I don't argue or analyze, and if they try to get back to their "list of reasons why I should convert" I normally just say: "Isn't a Christian life, lived well and in service to God, the best argument for Christianity? Love your enemy, take care of the needy, that kind of thing. Remember that love is greater than faith. Your job isn't to convince me. Your job it to love me and through your love help me to see what makes your faith special"
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Re: Dealings with devout Christians
« Reply #68 on: January 06, 2014, 11:22:03 am »
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...can I move out of Jesusville now?


I do sympathize. I've lived in the Texas and New Mexico most of my life.
 
Sometimes I am glad I live in Roswell. The alien theme brings in the tourists so people are more lenient in regards to beliefs and lifestyles. There are some Christians who are more in your face, but I haven't had too many negative encounters. Most people claim that any belief in a God being is better than no belief at all.

What I do not understand is the gun obsession. I'm not opposed to guns. I just don't understand why some people feel the need to advertise their love of guns with their love of Jesus. I don't see how those two opposing philosophies fit in their brains. I guess that explains why there is so little room for science.

I also don't understand why some Christians need to fill an entire wall with crosses. Does this behavior make them think Jesus would like them more?

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Re: Dealings with devout Christians
« Reply #69 on: January 08, 2014, 05:10:55 am »
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Hi everyone

Having recently converted to Paganism I've had a couple of run-ins with devout Christians and was wondering how you dealt with them. At the moment I'm just trying to ignore the constant evangelism!

Thanks

 
quite simple, no BS, I just ignore them. I just can't bring myself to care about them if they are going to attack me

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Re: Dealings with devout Christians
« Reply #70 on: January 08, 2014, 10:28:24 pm »
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Hi everyone

Having recently converted to Paganism I've had a couple of run-ins with devout Christians and was wondering how you dealt with them. At the moment I'm just trying to ignore the constant evangelism!

Thanks


I live in a rather dangerous area, people tend not to be pushy around here because you never know who is going to go completely psychotic and stab you, that may be why all I need to say is "I have my beliefs, thank you." I then proceed to immediately close the door, the only people to ever push it were 2 mormons, who asked if I was happy, I stated I was, thanked them and they went away.

More than few times in the street I have given a death glare, they don't approach when you do that. :ange:
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Re: Dealings with devout Christians
« Reply #71 on: January 08, 2014, 11:59:43 pm »
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... you never know who is going to go completely psychotic and stab you...

 
Despite the popular misconceptions, people who experience psychoses are seldom violent, and when they are, it's much more likely to be towards themselves, than towards others. Far more often, they are the victims of others' violence - which is, in part, the result of fear rooted in the stereotype of the 'violent psychotic'. So when you say, 'go psychotic and stab you,' whether you are mischaracterizing actual people with psychoses, or, more colloquially, suggesting that those who engage in random violence must be mentally ill, you perpetuate the damaging stereotypes.

Lest you think this is an intellectual exercise: there are many people on this board with conditions or disorders that mean they are less safe because of those stereotypes.

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Re: Dealings with devout Christians
« Reply #72 on: January 09, 2014, 12:21:47 am »
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Despite the popular misconceptions, people who experience psychoses are seldom violent, and when they are, it's much more likely to be towards themselves, than towards others. Far more often, they are the victims of others' violence - which is, in part, the result of fear rooted in the stereotype of the 'violent psychotic'. So when you say, 'go psychotic and stab you,' whether you are mischaracterizing actual people with psychoses, or, more colloquially, suggesting that those who engage in random violence must be mentally ill, you perpetuate the damaging stereotypes.

Lest you think this is an intellectual exercise: there are many people on this board with conditions or disorders that mean they are less safe because of those stereotypes.

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I am judging my direct neighbors by experience. This includes a firebombing, more threats of violence than I can count, threats of murder, more assaults with and without weapons than I have ever seen. I am speaking from experience with direct neighborhood.. My neighbor is psychotic, delusional, deranged, diagnosed and free to do what he wants.

So I have direct experience with it. I have also heard screaming at doorknockers from said person. The only victims around here are his victims, which include myself.

Perhaps you should think about it, not me. I am less safe because of my neighbor, no stereotypes here, just reality.
I don't care about stereotypes, we all have to deal with them. I am a female who works in IT.
If you take offense to my recounting of his behaviour, keeping in mind that I live in my neighborhood, you do not, perhaps you can knock on his door and ask him to behave. The police don't even do that unless they surround his place first, with highly armed tactical police.
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« Reply #73 on: January 09, 2014, 12:38:31 am »
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I am judging my direct neighbors by experience.

(Unfortunately I cannot add this to my previous post)

Just to make it crystal clear and not leave any doubt, I only judge people by their own behaviour/s and do not judge people by their labels, be they self imposed or otherwise. I do not make assumptions, it might be a good idea to not take offense to things which do not involve or are not pointed at you.

I guess that is why the religious zealots that arrive at my door don't get egged.
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Re: Dealings with devout Christians
« Reply #74 on: January 09, 2014, 12:50:57 am »
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I am judging my direct neighbors by experience. This includes a firebombing, more threats of violence than I can count, threats of murder, more assaults with and without weapons than I have ever seen. I am speaking from experience with direct neighborhood.. My neighbor is psychotic, delusional, deranged, diagnosed and free to do what he wants.


So just out of curiosity, are you your neighbor's psychologist? Does he offer you his treatment recommendations? How do you know he's diagnosed with psychosis?

Also, if he's free to do what he wants, he must not actually have broken any laws. I mean, I would expect someone accused of firebombing, multiple assaults and threats would have been, I dunno, arrested.

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So I have direct experience with it. I have also heard screaming at doorknockers from said person. The only victims around here are his victims, which include myself.


Not only are you his psychologist, but you know every aspect of his life and that he could in no way be a victim!

Also you happen to know one guy and therefore understand all mentally ill people, it would seem?

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Perhaps you should think about it, not me.


Well, if you're opposed to thinking...

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I am less safe because of my neighbor, no stereotypes here, just reality.
I don't care about stereotypes, we all have to deal with them. I am a female who works in IT.
If you take offense to my recounting of his behaviour, keeping in mind that I live in my neighborhood, you do not, perhaps you can knock on his door and ask him to behave. The police don't even do that unless they surround his place first, with highly armed tactical police.

 
I take offence to your generalization that because you know one guy who likes to scream outside your door, you are an expert in psychosis and in the causes of violence. That's pretty much what a stereotype is.

Also, seriously, a tactical police unit? That's not impressive. Back in Arizona they had tanks, man, call me when you've got tanks. (No but seriously, the overuse of the tactical police unit is a serious problem in a lot of American cities and it's absolutely ridiculous.)

I'll just leave these here. You know, in case you change your opinion on thinking.

Facts About Mental Illness and Violence
Violent Crime Against Mentally Ill Prevalent, Underreported
People With Mental Illness ‘More Likely To Have Violence Done To Them Than To Inflict Harm On Others’
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