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Candle ban
« on: January 22, 2014, 03:52:03 am »
So the new flat we're moving to *explicitly* bans candles in the contract. I've never experienced this, not since student housing. I'm going to shout religious discrimination if I have a problem (I might call the EHRC first though, as religious discrimination laws are really not very clear in this country, but Pagans have had success with them before). I'll also set up a honey jar for our dear landlord - but I wondered if anyone had negotiated on this one before? (And yes, it really is that important to me.)
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Re: Candle ban
« Reply #1 on: January 22, 2014, 04:13:30 am »
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So the new flat we're moving to *explicitly* bans candles in the contract. I've never experienced this, not since student housing. I'm going to shout religious discrimination if I have a problem (I might call the EHRC first though, as religious discrimination laws are really not very clear in this country, but Pagans have had success with them before). I'll also set up a honey jar for our dear landlord - but I wondered if anyone had negotiated on this one before? (And yes, it really is that important to me.)

 
(I also appear to be banned from singing and playing music...!)

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Re: Candle ban
« Reply #2 on: January 22, 2014, 04:41:14 am »
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(I also appear to be banned from singing and playing music...!)

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The singing and music bit is a bit rough.  It's one thing to tell someone to keep it down, but to ban it outright's steep!

Most of my leases have had 'no open flame' clauses, but I've never been in a position to negotiate - here, it's hard enough to find a place that'll allow pets in the first place, so I couldn't risk looking like I might be be a troublesome tenant.  Other unexpected things I've had banned, or seen banned on other people's leases: indoor plants, durian (fair enough!), waterbeds, fairy lights, and incense.  

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« Reply #3 on: January 22, 2014, 12:07:01 pm »
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So the new flat we're moving to *explicitly* bans candles in the contract. I've never experienced this, not since student housing. I'm going to shout religious discrimination if I have a problem (I might call the EHRC first though, as religious discrimination laws are really not very clear in this country, but Pagans have had success with them before). I'll also set up a honey jar for our dear landlord - but I wondered if anyone had negotiated on this one before? (And yes, it really is that important to me.)

I use a couple different kinds of battery powered candles and they're not bad.

I always wondered, does it stop being an open flame if you have a hurricane lantern or something similar?
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« Reply #4 on: January 22, 2014, 12:07:44 pm »
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(I also appear to be banned from singing and playing music...!)

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I - what? What's the justification for that? Are the walls that thin?
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Re: Candle ban
« Reply #5 on: January 22, 2014, 12:15:37 pm »
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I - what? What's the justification for that? Are the walls that thin?

 
My previous apartment in my current town had a ban on music (after I think 9pm at night), also having more than 2 guests over and no overnight guests without express advance permission. College town, and while the front half of the building was larger apartments, the back was studios owned by students.

Part of me was fine with it because it meant no parties into the wee hours when I had to go to work. Part of me found a new apartment when my lease was up :) (And for an apartment I'd moved into sight-unseen after getting the job from across the country, it was fine for a year.)

I've seen a lot more restrictive leases in college towns or in places where you have a lot of students living than in other places. Same thing with the open flame.
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Re: Candle ban
« Reply #6 on: January 22, 2014, 12:24:59 pm »
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I use a couple different kinds of battery powered candles and they're not bad.

I always wondered, does it stop being an open flame if you have a hurricane lantern or something similar?

 
I really, really don't want to use LED candles. Fire is so central to both ADF and most of my magical practices that... yeah. Wouldn't work.
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Re: Candle ban
« Reply #7 on: January 22, 2014, 12:36:44 pm »
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I - what? What's the justification for that? Are the walls that thin?

 
I *think* it used to be student accommodation - it certainly looks like it in places - and that it's always had a very restrictive contract as a result. We're getting the landlord's written permission to waive several of the clauses - I might ask for that one to be relaxed. 'After 9pm' is fine by me, but no music at all is just going to be depressing.

SJ called the helpline, who reckon that I have a good case to argue discrimination, but that I should wait until he complains (which is unlikely as we get 24 hours notice for landlords' visits) rather than making a fuss about it now. They think that, if he tries to make us homeless, we'd have a good case! So I'm not going to worry about it - just be very careful. (But I always am.)
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Re: Candle ban
« Reply #8 on: January 22, 2014, 03:49:29 pm »
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I - what? What's the justification for that? Are the walls that thin?


If not the walls, then other people's skin, probably.

Seriously, though, if the renter's agreement is that restrictive, why bother?  Surely there are more accommodating landlords?  

And would a religious discrimination suit fly if the provisions were made explicit at the time you knowingly entered into the contract?
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If not the walls, then other people's skin, probably.

Seriously, though, if the renter's agreement is that restrictive, why bother?  Surely there are more accommodating landlords?


Not really. This one allows cats, has a garden, and we love the place. It's enormous. Also there is no mold.

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And would a religious discrimination suit fly if the provisions were made explicit at the time you knowingly entered into the contract?

 
Apparently, although I am not the expert - the org I telephoned is.
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« Reply #10 on: January 22, 2014, 04:24:31 pm »
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Apparently, although I am not the expert - the org I telephoned is.

 
That's interesting, I'm not sure that'd go over here.  Would the landlord be able to invoke fire-safety concerns?  That's probably what would happen here, with the favor going to the landlord in the interests of safety.
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Re: Candle ban
« Reply #11 on: January 22, 2014, 06:37:16 pm »
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So the new flat we're moving to *explicitly* bans candles in the contract.

 And if you light a candle with the curtains drawn, who'll ever know? The management committee of my block added a ban on the use of fireplaces for those who got lease extensions, but my neighbour who likes a wood fire hasn't taken any notice. She still has a log bin in the garden, too. I'm a great believer in the adage "what the eye doesn't see, the heart [or landlord] doesn't grieve over."
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Re: Candle ban
« Reply #12 on: January 24, 2014, 12:09:39 pm »
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So the new flat we're moving to *explicitly* bans candles in the contract. I've never experienced this, not since student housing. I'm going to shout religious discrimination if I have a problem (I might call the EHRC first though, as religious discrimination laws are really not very clear in this country, but Pagans have had success with them before). I'll also set up a honey jar for our dear landlord - but I wondered if anyone had negotiated on this one before? (And yes, it really is that important to me.)

Candles were banned in the two student apartments I lived in and frankly I just ignored it XD
Especially last year. I used tea-lights a lot, especially the thicker ones and never had a problem so that might be an idea :D
I'm lucky this year that I'm living in a rented room in a family home and my landlady loves candles and incense. :)
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« Reply #13 on: January 24, 2014, 12:21:39 pm »
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Candles were banned in the two student apartments I lived in and frankly I just ignored it XD
Especially last year. I used tea-lights a lot, especially the thicker ones and never had a problem so that might be an idea :D
I'm lucky this year that I'm living in a rented room in a family home and my landlady loves candles and incense. :)
If you can't have incense an oil-burner is an excellent substitute!

 
Yeah, I ignored the ban all four years of college. What can I say, I'm a "those rules don't apply to me" kind of person. :) The trick is to know EXACTLY where all your candles and incense are when inspection time rolls around. And when someone knocks on your door say "I'M IN A TOWEL GIVE ME A MINUTE" and rush around pushing things into drawers.
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Re: Candle ban
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Yeah, I ignored the ban all four years of college. What can I say, I'm a "those rules don't apply to me" kind of person. :) The trick is to know EXACTLY where all your candles and incense are when inspection time rolls around. And when someone knocks on your door say "I'M IN A TOWEL GIVE ME A MINUTE" and rush around pushing things into drawers.

 
Part of the problem is that I really believe in keeping rules. (I'd make a terrible anarchist.) It's a mix of being afraid of getting in trouble, and believing that I need rules or I'll get all out of control and/or set the house alight. If I can remember that I am capable of being responsible for a few candles, I think I'll be all right. :D:

Oh. We may also have told the landlord that we only have two cats.

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