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Author Topic: Are You a God-Slave? Will You Be?  (Read 34061 times)

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Re: Are You a God-Slave? Will You Be?
« Reply #225 on: February 15, 2012, 08:14:07 am »
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I would equate that to being a monk or nun. I feel that is different than serving the Gods.
I think that it's a more proper way of putting it. God - slave can sound harsh and lead to major misconceptions.

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Re: Are You a God-Slave? Will You Be?
« Reply #226 on: February 15, 2012, 04:17:32 pm »
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I think that it's a more proper way of putting it. God - slave can sound harsh and lead to major misconceptions.

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But why would I use a term that is more commonly attributed to a Christian religion (although the terms can and are applied to non-Christian religious members)? That seems to me it would cause way more confusion, and has quite a bit of baggage attached to those terms. So I don't know if calling myself a "pagan nun" is any more proper.

(Although I've heard and found a lot of material published by monks or nuns about living ascetic lives are often very appealing to pagan ascetics.)
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Re: Are You a God-Slave? Will You Be?
« Reply #227 on: February 16, 2012, 11:36:39 am »
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I think that it's a more proper way of putting it. God - slave can sound harsh and lead to major misconceptions.

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However, god-slave is a more accurate term for my path.  Using monk or nun just doesn't work.
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Re: Are You a God-Slave? Will You Be?
« Reply #228 on: February 07, 2013, 07:13:14 pm »
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In the book that I've been reading, I've stumbled upon the phrase "god-slave" which both intrigued me and worried me and disgusted me and terrified me. From what I have gathered, the terminology is similar to that of having a patron deity, however, instead of merely having this divine parent, so to speak, loving you and offering you encouragement from afar, you have literally dedicated your every waking second to the patron that has chosen you.

Let me reiterate:

You have completely dedicated your entire life to this god/dess that has chosen you.

At least... I think. I think that's the reasoning behind that terminology.

The reason I stumbled upon all of this confusing morass was because of Galina Krasskova, free range tribalist heathen and the article written on patheos that I've linked here. Specifically, she says:



I was just wondering... how do you guys feel about all of this?

Personally, I can see my relationship with Sekhmet heading in this direction. So far, she's been the distant parent coaxing me to live my life appropriately. So far, she's been there to pick me up when I'm down and to yell at me when I'm wrong and to give me encouragement when I need it most. That's where she is now: she's teaching me and letting me come to conclusions on my own and I think, at some point, she would enjoy having me become a god-slave.

Honestly, I don't think I'm at all ready for that level of commitment. All joking about commitment phobias aside, it's a really big step. It's ten times more serious, to me, than marrying the significant other that you love. It's thirty times more important than anything else that I could do on this plane of existence. To me, it's important, but I just... I can't even imagine giving of myself so completely to my Hubby. How can I get that way with Sekhmet?

If that is the direction that I am heading, and something inside of me is saying yes very clearly, then I think I have a long way to go before I get there. I'm excited at having something so clearly to look forward to but I'm also... leery. It's... so much. Just. So much.

 
Technically, yes. For me, godslave means someone who was claimed by their patron(s) and who could be called to service by the god/s at any time.
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Re: Are You a God-Slave? Will You Be?
« Reply #229 on: February 08, 2013, 09:00:52 am »
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Technically, yes. For me, godslave means someone who was claimed by their patron(s) and who could be called to service by the god/s at any time.

 
Ummm, no.  Just....no.  Did you read the rest of this thread?

Based on your recent posts, the last thing I'd think you'd call yourself is a godslave.  It requires, IME, much more dedication and effort than your posts indicate you've shown to date.
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Are You a God-Slave? Will You Be?
« Reply #230 on: February 08, 2013, 01:32:05 pm »
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Technically, yes. For me, godslave means someone who was claimed by their patron(s) and who could be called to service by the god/s at any time.

It also indicates a long-term commitment, being *in* service for the long haul. Slaves don't get to ragequit, call their masters all kinds of nasty names, and be right back to them once said slaves' tempers cool. When a deity owns you, you're not the most important player in the relationship. (I'm comfortable using the term "owned," but not describing myself as a godslave. It's weird.)
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Re: Are You a God-Slave? Will You Be?
« Reply #231 on: February 08, 2013, 01:59:41 pm »
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(I'm comfortable using the term "owned," but not describing myself as a godslave. It's weird.)


Yeah, I don't use the term either even though I consider myself obligated to follow direct orders from my deities. I do consider myself to be a servant, thus the name "Gilbride" (servant of Brighid). I guess I see "slavery" as something imposed on you and "service" as a free commitment to serve (no matter how all-encompassing your service). It's not that I object to the term, though, I just don't use it.

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Re: Are You a God-Slave? Will You Be?
« Reply #232 on: February 08, 2013, 03:12:50 pm »
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Ummm, no.  Just....no.  Did you read the rest of this thread?

Based on your recent posts, the last thing I'd think you'd call yourself is a godslave.  It requires, IME, much more dedication and effort than your posts indicate you've shown to date.

I'm claimed, and could be called to service at any time. Hence, godslave. That's my UPG.
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Re: Are You a God-Slave? Will You Be?
« Reply #233 on: February 08, 2013, 03:33:52 pm »
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I'm claimed, and could be called to service at any time. Hence, godslave. That's my UPG.


And if you might be called to service but are determined to not serve, BY YOUR loud proclamation, there's no service getting done - thus claim or no claim makes no difference. 'No religion, no gods' is not compatible with being a god-servant, devotee or spirit-worker, let alone godslave.

 Facts beat UPG (which by way stands for Unverified Personal Gnosis which is not equal to 'my opinion' as you seem to be implying here).
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Re: Are You a God-Slave? Will You Be?
« Reply #234 on: February 08, 2013, 03:35:30 pm »
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I'm claimed, and could be called to service at any time. Hence, godslave. That's my UPG.

 
The problem is you're using the word in a way that feels highly offensive to people called to that role.

You're constantly talking about your REFUSALS.  Your anger, your disgust, your mistreatment.  This isn't the relationship of a lesser to a greater, with you as the lesser.

Yes, you can call it whatever you want.  It's your life.  But you can't go around slapping UPG on it as though that excuses everything.

You DO NOT ACT as /godslave/ means.  What you post looks far more like a messed-up romantic relationship.  That's an entirely different relationship, different concept, different worldview.

You can claim you're a godslave until you're blue in the face - but if you don't act like one, people aren't going to believe you.

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Re: Are You a God-Slave? Will You Be?
« Reply #235 on: February 08, 2013, 03:42:27 pm »
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You can claim you're a godslave until you're blue in the face - but if you don't act like one, people aren't going to believe you.

 
I honestly don't care if people believe me or not. My definition is my own. You all can go live in your own world with your own definition. Again, I don't care.
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« Reply #236 on: February 08, 2013, 04:06:23 pm »
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I honestly don't care if people believe me or not. My definition is my own. You all can go live in your own world with your own definition. Again, I don't care.

 
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Re: Are You a God-Slave? Will You Be?
« Reply #237 on: February 08, 2013, 04:12:24 pm »
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My definition is my own.


That was kinda the point. :whis:
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Re: Are You a God-Slave? Will You Be?
« Reply #238 on: February 08, 2013, 04:31:01 pm »
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I honestly don't care if people believe me or not. My definition is my own. You all can go live in your own world with your own definition. Again, I don't care.

 
That's all well and fine, but when you claim to be a thing that, by common definition, you aren't, people get a little--or sometimes a lot--annoyed. Words mean things. You can't just co-opt them for your own use and claim it's UPG.

You might feel called to be a god-slave, but from your posts, you don't sound. . . well, you don't sound like you fit into the role yet. That doesn't reflect badly on you. You're just in a different place in terms of spiritual development. Given time and lots of hard work, you'll get where you want to be (or at least where you need to be).

You've said you don't trust your god, he's a liar, etc. From what I understand about god-slavery, there's a deep amount of trust and surrender in the relationship. And the focus is on what that god/dess needs or wants. If someone talks as you do about their relationship with a god/dess, it just doesn't sound like it's god-slavery time. At least yet.

I feel called to be a god-slave, too, but I refuse to call myself that until it's time. Words mean things. UPG will not bend reality to your will, nor will it change the meaning of words.

UPG is not a catch-all for everything in the universe. My suggestion to you would be to pick a different term.
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Re: Are You a God-Slave? Will You Be?
« Reply #239 on: February 08, 2013, 05:52:39 pm »
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That's all well and fine, but when you claim to be a thing that, by common definition, you aren't, people get a little--or sometimes a lot--annoyed. Words mean things. You can't just co-opt them for your own use and claim it's UPG.

You might feel called to be a god-slave, but from your posts, you don't sound. . . well, you don't sound like you fit into the role yet. That doesn't reflect badly on you. You're just in a different place in terms of spiritual development. Given time and lots of hard work, you'll get where you want to be (or at least where you need to be).

You've said you don't trust your god, he's a liar, etc. From what I understand about god-slavery, there's a deep amount of trust and surrender in the relationship. And the focus is on what that god/dess needs or wants. If someone talks as you do about their relationship with a god/dess, it just doesn't sound like it's god-slavery time. At least yet.

I feel called to be a god-slave, too, but I refuse to call myself that until it's time. Words mean things. UPG will not bend reality to your will, nor will it change the meaning of words.

UPG is not a catch-all for everything in the universe. My suggestion to you would be to pick a different term.

 
I might have to slightly agree with someone on this thread that said they didn't like the term godslave because the term slave has such negative connotations.

Maybe I'm more like a god-observer right now. I believe in them. But I don't follow or actively worship them right now.
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