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Philosophy and Theology Recommendations
« on: January 09, 2019, 05:56:20 pm »
To put it bluntly, I've lost most of my interest in books about ceremony and ritual. There are so many of them and many of those are particularly 101 books. Unless it's related to a path I have literally never heard of before I'm pretty much not interested anymore, especially if it's a tradition in question that speaks at length about the "Lord and Lady". I do not hate Wicca or similar traditions, It's gotten to the point where I feel as if I've seen it all before where Wicca is concerned. These days I seek things more akin to the Witch's Book of Silence which is more about philosophy than practice. That's what I'm looking for, books about philosophy and theology and I don't mean a survey of what these things look like in modern Pagan and Occult traditions. I'm seeking treatises that go in deep on these subjects. It's a constant source of frustration that when I ask for book recommendations for more "advanced" practitioners they always come back with books that focus on ceremony and technique which to me, is really mostly beginner stuff. So does anyone have any recommendations?
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Re: Philosophy and Theology Recommendations
« Reply #1 on: January 10, 2019, 10:06:21 am »
To put it bluntly, I've lost most of my interest in books about ceremony and ritual. There are so many of them and many of those are particularly 101 books. Unless it's related to a path I have literally never heard of before I'm pretty much not interested anymore, especially if it's a tradition in question that speaks at length about the "Lord and Lady". I do not hate Wicca or similar traditions, It's gotten to the point where I feel as if I've seen it all before where Wicca is concerned. These days I seek things more akin to the Witch's Book of Silence which is more about philosophy than practice. That's what I'm looking for, books about philosophy and theology and I don't mean a survey of what these things look like in modern Pagan and Occult traditions. I'm seeking treatises that go in deep on these subjects. It's a constant source of frustration that when I ask for book recommendations for more "advanced" practitioners they always come back with books that focus on ceremony and technique which to me, is really mostly beginner stuff. So does anyone have any recommendations?

I can't make specific recommendations for you because what I'm recommending has a whole slew of possibilities depending on your specific culture/background of interest. Personally, I find that when I bore of modern Pagan writers I get a lot of value going back to older "pagan" writers- by that I mean people who wrote books in times before Christianity even existed and so they would have never referred to themselves as "pagan". Marcus Aurelius' Meditiations for example is one I've reread a couple times now, or the one I just got recently and am looking forward to reading which is Hesiod's Theogony and Works and Days. Neither of these books are particularly thick, but they're dense and there's a lot to unpack. :)

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Re: Philosophy and Theology Recommendations
« Reply #2 on: January 10, 2019, 06:39:14 pm »
I can't make specific recommendations for you because what I'm recommending has a whole slew of possibilities depending on your specific culture/background of interest. Personally, I find that when I bore of modern Pagan writers I get a lot of value going back to older "pagan" writers- by that I mean people who wrote books in times before Christianity even existed and so they would have never referred to themselves as "pagan". Marcus Aurelius' Meditiations for example is one I've reread a couple times now, or the one I just got recently and am looking forward to reading which is Hesiod's Theogony and Works and Days. Neither of these books are particularly thick, but they're dense and there's a lot to unpack. :)

In a similar vein, I'd suggest Jung. Not specifically pagan, but his ideas have influenced modern paganism.

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Re: Philosophy and Theology Recommendations
« Reply #3 on: January 10, 2019, 07:18:23 pm »
To put it bluntly, I've lost most of my interest in books about ceremony and ritual. There are so many of them and many of those are particularly 101 books. Unless it's related to a path I have literally never heard of before I'm pretty much not interested anymore, especially if it's a tradition in question that speaks at length about the "Lord and Lady". I do not hate Wicca or similar traditions, It's gotten to the point where I feel as if I've seen it all before where Wicca is concerned. These days I seek things more akin to the Witch's Book of Silence which is more about philosophy than practice. That's what I'm looking for, books about philosophy and theology and I don't mean a survey of what these things look like in modern Pagan and Occult traditions. I'm seeking treatises that go in deep on these subjects. It's a constant source of frustration that when I ask for book recommendations for more "advanced" practitioners they always come back with books that focus on ceremony and technique which to me, is really mostly beginner stuff. So does anyone have any recommendations?

A World Full of Gods -- John Michael Greer
The Case for Polytheism -- Steven Dillon
Dealing with Deities -- Raven Kaldera

I've read the first two and they're pretty good, and I haven't read Kaldera's but it looks worth a shot. I, too, enjoy pretentiously complicated works of theology but they're hard to find in paganism.

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Re: Philosophy and Theology Recommendations
« Reply #4 on: January 11, 2019, 08:38:10 am »
To put it bluntly, I've lost most of my interest in books about ceremony and ritual. There are so many of them and many of those are particularly 101 books. Unless it's related to a path I have literally never heard of before I'm pretty much not interested anymore, especially if it's a tradition in question that speaks at length about the "Lord and Lady". I do not hate Wicca or similar traditions, It's gotten to the point where I feel as if I've seen it all before where Wicca is concerned. These days I seek things more akin to the Witch's Book of Silence which is more about philosophy than practice. That's what I'm looking for, books about philosophy and theology and I don't mean a survey of what these things look like in modern Pagan and Occult traditions. I'm seeking treatises that go in deep on these subjects. It's a constant source of frustration that when I ask for book recommendations for more "advanced" practitioners they always come back with books that focus on ceremony and technique which to me, is really mostly beginner stuff. So does anyone have any recommendations?

Apocalyptic Witchcraft by Peter Grey. I think every person who calls themselves a witch should read it.

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Re: Philosophy and Theology Recommendations
« Reply #5 on: January 11, 2019, 10:57:42 pm »
To put it bluntly, I've lost most of my interest in books about ceremony and ritual. There are so many of them and many of those are particularly 101 books. Unless it's related to a path I have literally never heard of before I'm pretty much not interested anymore, especially if it's a tradition in question that speaks at length about the "Lord and Lady". I do not hate Wicca or similar traditions, It's gotten to the point where I feel as if I've seen it all before where Wicca is concerned. These days I seek things more akin to the Witch's Book of Silence which is more about philosophy than practice. That's what I'm looking for, books about philosophy and theology and I don't mean a survey of what these things look like in modern Pagan and Occult traditions. I'm seeking treatises that go in deep on these subjects. It's a constant source of frustration that when I ask for book recommendations for more "advanced" practitioners they always come back with books that focus on ceremony and technique which to me, is really mostly beginner stuff. So does anyone have any recommendations?

Personally, a good refresher on philosophy is Jostein Gaarder's Sophie's World: A Novel About the History of Philosophy. I'll always recommend it because it offers a quick guide to the different philosophers that have influenced human society from Aristotle to Rosseau to recent advances in Quantum Mechanics (yes, not a philosophy, but still offers some interesting insights). Reminds me that I should probably pick it up again sometime soon.
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Re: Philosophy and Theology Recommendations
« Reply #6 on: January 12, 2019, 12:36:54 am »
Personally, a good refresher on philosophy is Jostein Gaarder's Sophie's World: A Novel About the History of Philosophy. I'll always recommend it because it offers a quick guide to the different philosophers that have influenced human society from Aristotle to Rosseau to recent advances in Quantum Mechanics (yes, not a philosophy, but still offers some interesting insights). Reminds me that I should probably pick it up again sometime soon.

I second this.  I read it once in high school, and I still feel an emotional impression from that book years later.  I will also have to read it again sometime soon.  I found it immensely entertaining as well.
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Re: Philosophy and Theology Recommendations
« Reply #7 on: January 13, 2019, 04:18:57 pm »
To put it bluntly, I've lost most of my interest in books about ceremony and ritual. There are so many of them and many of those are particularly 101 books. Unless it's related to a path I have literally never heard of before I'm pretty much not interested anymore, especially if it's a tradition in question that speaks at length about the "Lord and Lady". I do not hate Wicca or similar traditions, It's gotten to the point where I feel as if I've seen it all before where Wicca is concerned. These days I seek things more akin to the Witch's Book of Silence which is more about philosophy than practice. That's what I'm looking for, books about philosophy and theology and I don't mean a survey of what these things look like in modern Pagan and Occult traditions. I'm seeking treatises that go in deep on these subjects. It's a constant source of frustration that when I ask for book recommendations for more "advanced" practitioners they always come back with books that focus on ceremony and technique which to me, is really mostly beginner stuff. So does anyone have any recommendations?

Another recommendation is a book I am currently reading, The Passion of the Western Mind, by Richard Tarnas.  In one volume it gives an overview of the history of Western thought.
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