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Looking for dragon resources
« on: November 26, 2012, 01:04:56 pm »
Greetings!

For a long time, I have been interested in dragons (as well as other so called beasts of lore). Well, I am fairly new to working with any sort of astral/spiritual realm beings, and upon trying to find information on where one begins such a journey, I keep finding unreliable information.

As far as I have seen, the only books regarding dragons in a pagan context are very heavily influenced by Wicca, which I am not interested in at all. And most websites or Online groups seem to be of no help either. Most seem to either be very Wicca-esque or the person running it believes themselves to be of dragon royalty trapped in a human body.

So, I'm not really sure where to look. I don't view dragons as being evil, but a lot of lore, especially Western, makes them out as such. Eastern dragons interest me, but my pagan practices tend to be Celtic based, and I fear mixing could clash. Are there any modern based dragon traditions that aren't of a Wicca flavor? Where should I look to (websites preferred for ease of access) when trying to work with astral beings, particularly dragons? Would I be better off studying dragon mythology (and which ones?) and just create my own tradition?

Any tips, advice, or suggestions would be greatly appreciated!

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Re: Looking for dragon resources
« Reply #1 on: November 26, 2012, 02:00:54 pm »
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Greetings!

For a long time, I have been interested in dragons (as well as other so called beasts of lore). Well, I am fairly new to working with any sort of astral/spiritual realm beings, and upon trying to find information on where one begins such a journey, I keep finding unreliable information.

As far as I have seen, the only books regarding dragons in a pagan context are very heavily influenced by Wicca, which I am not interested in at all. And most websites or Online groups seem to be of no help either. Most seem to either be very Wicca-esque or the person running it believes themselves to be of dragon royalty trapped in a human body.

So, I'm not really sure where to look. I don't view dragons as being evil, but a lot of lore, especially Western, makes them out as such. Eastern dragons interest me, but my pagan practices tend to be Celtic based, and I fear mixing could clash. Are there any modern based dragon traditions that aren't of a Wicca flavor? Where should I look to (websites preferred for ease of access) when trying to work with astral beings, particularly dragons? Would I be better off studying dragon mythology (and which ones?) and just create my own tradition?

Any tips, advice, or suggestions would be greatly appreciated!

 
http://www.blackdrago.com/species.htm#basilisk

http://www.fox-moon.com/dragon.html

http://www.draconika.com/

http://ebon-dragon.com/cotd/Rituals.html

Just a few of the references I've dug up over the last year or so. There's not a lot of information out there, but you may want to be looking into draconic magic practitioners.

My own experiences vary pretty drastically than what everyone else seems to be reporting on, and I'm not comfortable sharing that here. But my point is, you may need to clarify exactly what you're interested in when you say 'dragon.' Are you interested in the lore itself? In working with them? Contacting them? Being aware of them? Or simply looking into dragonesque magic systems?

Sorry I can't be of more help. Best of luck. :)

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« Reply #2 on: November 26, 2012, 02:46:11 pm »
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As far as I have seen, the only books regarding dragons in a pagan context are very heavily influenced by Wicca, which I am not interested in at all. And most websites or Online groups seem to be of no help either. Most seem to either be very Wicca-esque or the person running it believes themselves to be of dragon royalty trapped in a human body.

 
You probably have already seen Dancing With Dragons by DJ Conway then... the rituals themselves are heavily based on Wicca, but the information about the dragons themselves and the appendices of herbs/stones/etc for different types of dragons were pretty neat.

It's a book I've used a bunch in reference, even if I haven't done any of the rituals.
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« Reply #3 on: November 26, 2012, 02:51:57 pm »
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You probably have already seen Dancing With Dragons by DJ Conway then... the rituals themselves are heavily based on Wicca, but the information about the dragons themselves and the appendices of herbs/stones/etc for different types of dragons were pretty neat.

It's a book I've used a bunch in reference, even if I haven't done any of the rituals.

 
I would take that book with a grain of salt... The concepts are interesting, the artwork is nice, but as a practical guide... personally, I'd pass it entirely. :)

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« Reply #4 on: November 26, 2012, 02:55:40 pm »
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Greetings!

For a long time, I have been interested in dragons (as well as other so called beasts of lore). Well, I am fairly new to working with any sort of astral/spiritual realm beings, and upon trying to find information on where one begins such a journey, I keep finding unreliable information.

As far as I have seen, the only books regarding dragons in a pagan context are very heavily influenced by Wicca, which I am not interested in at all. And most websites or Online groups seem to be of no help either. Most seem to either be very Wicca-esque or the person running it believes themselves to be of dragon royalty trapped in a human body.

So, I'm not really sure where to look. I don't view dragons as being evil, but a lot of lore, especially Western, makes them out as such. Eastern dragons interest me, but my pagan practices tend to be Celtic based, and I fear mixing could clash. Are there any modern based dragon traditions that aren't of a Wicca flavor? Where should I look to (websites preferred for ease of access) when trying to work with astral beings, particularly dragons? Would I be better off studying dragon mythology (and which ones?) and just create my own tradition?

Any tips, advice, or suggestions would be greatly appreciated!

 
I pursued a similar line of questioning a couple months ago. In fact, here's the thread. It's not very long, but perhaps you'll find something of use: Dragon Worship Resources.

My pursuit of dragons started with a "mental image" of divine twins who I first thought of as two humans, then as two dragons, and then it turns out it might have been Shu and Tefnut having a bit of fun.

Whatever the case, it would be a good idea to read up on dragon mythology at the least. You could build off your Celtic tradition, practice wise.

I've been poking at building around the Kemetic tradition, which would group dragons with fire-breathing cobras (but with a dragon-y twist! ;)) Being that I'm rather fond of all the Eyes of Ra, this works out. It's just not the most Kemetic part of my practice.

Also, be veeeeery clear on what you consider a dragon. Do they all have wings? Breathe fire? That will help you narrow your search and will definitely simplify what you do with it.
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Re: Looking for dragon resources
« Reply #5 on: November 26, 2012, 03:07:00 pm »
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You probably have already seen Dancing With Dragons by DJ Conway then... the rituals themselves are heavily based on Wicca, but the information about the dragons themselves and the appendices of herbs/stones/etc for different types of dragons were pretty neat.

It's a book I've used a bunch in reference, even if I haven't done any of the rituals.

Take this book with an entire salt shaker.

I still have this book. It's like Conway went through all the planets, Zodiac, elements, etc and put a dragon face on them. There's plenty of "erm, what?" to be had.

The "riding a chaos dragon" ritual gets me. I mean, the beginning chant is, in part:

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. . .
With [name of sword] in my hand, I enter your realm,
not for physical battle, but for knowledge and power. . . .

Because you totes want to enter the realm of chaos. :\ I mean, okay, so we could be referring to a different kind of chaos, but STILL.

Ahhh, or the ever-famous Dragons of Fire element chant:

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In your cavernous, fire-filled hall,
echoes the name that I now call.
Fafnir! [Ring gong twice] . . .

Because you want to use Fafnir as a symbol of fire. Totes. Can't speak for the other elemental dragons because I've never heard of Sairys, Naelyan, or Grael.

Also, bonus points for missing the point of Set's battle with A-pep:

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. . .The picture show the god Set "staking" or guiding Apep by a series of rods driven into the ground. A similar practice is still used to control or change the Earth's energy in certain areas of the world . . .

The book is okay as a reference, and a few of the chants are actually pretty good, but the rest makes me cringe a bit.
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Re: Looking for dragon resources
« Reply #6 on: November 26, 2012, 05:14:36 pm »
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My own experiences vary pretty drastically than what everyone else seems to be reporting on, and I'm not comfortable sharing that here. But my point is, you may need to clarify exactly what you're interested in when you say 'dragon.' Are you interested in the lore itself? In working with them? Contacting them? Being aware of them? Or simply looking into dragonesque magic systems?

Sorry I can't be of more help. Best of luck. :)

 
I've checked out fox-moon.com before; kinda glad to see it listed, as it seemed interesting.

To clarify, I'm interested in the lore, contacting and working with them, and being aware of them.

As well, thank you for the list of sites. I'll be checking them out when I have some time tonight.

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« Reply #7 on: November 26, 2012, 10:10:41 pm »
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I pursued a similar line of questioning a couple months ago. In fact, here's the thread. It's not very long, but perhaps you'll find something of use: Dragon Worship Resources.

My pursuit of dragons started with a "mental image" of divine twins who I first thought of as two humans, then as two dragons, and then it turns out it might have been Shu and Tefnut having a bit of fun.

Whatever the case, it would be a good idea to read up on dragon mythology at the least. You could build off your Celtic tradition, practice wise.

I've been poking at building around the Kemetic tradition, which would group dragons with fire-breathing cobras (but with a dragon-y twist! ;)) Being that I'm rather fond of all the Eyes of Ra, this works out. It's just not the most Kemetic part of my practice.

Also, be veeeeery clear on what you consider a dragon. Do they all have wings? Breathe fire? That will help you narrow your search and will definitely simplify what you do with it.

 
Thank you for the link to the thread. I'm gonna have a look at it soon :)

Thanks to all for the insight and links to check out :)

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