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Re: White Nationalists and Heathenry
« Reply #480 on: April 29, 2013, 07:23:58 pm »
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I just looked at the SPLC list of hate groups and did not see any group that I did not expect to see. Certainly nothing as broad as Astaru/Heathens.

 
Usually when the "FBI Watch List" comes up they're referring to the Megiddo report which includes hilarity like

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Odinists dangerous is the fact that many believe in the necessity of becoming martyrs for their cause. For example, Bob Mathews, the leader of The Order, died in a fiery confrontation with law enforcement. Also, William King relished the fact that he would receive the death penalty for his act of dragging James Byrd, Jr. to his death.


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Finally, Odinism is another white supremacist ideology that lends itself to violence and has the potential to inspire its followers to violence in connection to the millennium.


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Re: White Nationalists and Heathenry
« Reply #481 on: April 29, 2013, 09:39:59 pm »
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Usually when the "FBI Watch List" comes up they're referring to the Megiddo report which includes hilarity like....

I'm sorry to say it but the majority of people I've met online and offline who called themselves "Odinists" were racists of some type. Even these weren't all potential terrorists, of course, but the racists seem to gravitate toward calling themselves "Odinists" these days. Perhaps because there aren't many major racist-friendly Asatru groups any more.
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« Reply #482 on: April 30, 2013, 11:12:36 am »
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I'm sorry to say it but the majority of people I've met online and offline who called themselves "Odinists" were racists of some type. Even these weren't all potential terrorists, of course, but the racists seem to gravitate toward calling themselves "Odinists" these days. Perhaps because there aren't many major racist-friendly Asatru groups any more.

I think precisely because that assumption was so widespread, Asatru have gone to great lengths to distance themselves from the more obviously and disgustingly racist groups. Which isn't to say mainstream Asatru doesn't have its racists, because it does, or that it's post-racist in any way, because it's still members of the white majority hanging out whitely. But the term Odinists is a good bellwether for that kind of thing.
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« Reply #483 on: April 30, 2013, 11:20:24 am »
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because it's still members of the white majority hanging out whitely.

 
Yeaaaaah. It's a thing.

I wonder what a post-racial Asatru (or any other Pagan/polytheist/vaguely related) religion would look like? What exactly does post-racial mean?
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« Reply #484 on: April 30, 2013, 11:24:20 am »
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What exactly does post-racial mean?

 
I'm not sure.  We certainly don't live in a post-racial society.  It's better than it was, but I doubt racism will ever go away entirely.


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« Reply #485 on: April 30, 2013, 11:58:25 am »
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Yeaaaaah. It's a thing.

I wonder what a post-racial Asatru (or any other Pagan/polytheist/vaguely related) religion would look like? What exactly does post-racial mean?

 
Post racial means that race is not important or germaine to any questions at hand and that no one actually considers race in any way shape or form when answering those questions. Most people who want to claim that society is post racial want us to pretend that society actually already is so no more changes will be made that impact their level of privilege.
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« Reply #486 on: April 30, 2013, 08:33:31 pm »
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Yeaaaaah. It's a thing.


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I wonder what a post-racial Asatru (or any other Pagan/polytheist/vaguely related) religion would look like? What exactly does post-racial mean?

Well, what I meant was that we're still (mostly) white (mostly) Americans and Europeans, with all the invisible knapsacky goodness that goes along with it. I suppose a truly post-racial Asatru wouldn't have to deal with this thread because it wouldn't exist. It wouldn't occur to anyone that the color of your skin mattered to the gods.
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Re: White Nationalists and Heathenry
« Reply #487 on: May 01, 2013, 08:07:02 am »
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I'm not sure.  We certainly don't live in a post-racial society.  It's better than it was, but I doubt racism will ever go away entirely.

Due to the human desire to classify things, it probably can never go away completely, just the categories we view the world through can change. After all, there's little evidence of prejudice based on skin color in ancient Rome or Greece -- the societies appear to have been racially color blind. However, there was still lots of prejudice. For example, the ancient Greeks considered anyone who did not speak Greek uncivilized.
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Re: White Nationalists and Heathenry
« Reply #488 on: May 01, 2013, 04:09:16 pm »
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Did you know that we're on the SPLC's hate list as well as being watched by the FBI. Really, nice.


I was hoping you would come back and extrapolate and link on the 'we'.  Is it odinists, heaths asatru in general, the Ecauldron?
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Re: White Nationalists and Heathenry
« Reply #489 on: November 02, 2013, 10:43:43 am »
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Fffffuuuu there's a group six miles from my hometown. Thanks a lot wadjet, now I'm gonna be super skeeved out whenever I visit Lexington.

I'm living near Jacksonville Florida and there's four of them there. As a centrist liberal who is an agnostic panentheist universalist who practices a mix paganism, eastern religions,bits and pieces of Catholicism as well as western occultism and is of uncertain sexual orientation/ gender identity this scares me. I also have a friend who is an autistic liberal christian and is proud of his socialist[favors universal health care/antipoverty programs] leanings as well as a black lesbian friend. I figure if we all in run in separate directions they will not know which there supposed to chase after.
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Re: White Nationalists and Heathenry
« Reply #490 on: November 19, 2013, 07:26:07 pm »
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I'm living near Jacksonville Florida and there's four of them there. As a centrist liberal who is an agnostic panentheist universalist who practices a mix paganism, eastern religions,bits and pieces of Catholicism as well as western occultism and is of uncertain sexual orientation/ gender identity this scares me. I also have a friend who is an autistic liberal christian and is proud of his socialist[favors universal health care/antipoverty programs] leanings as well as a black lesbian friend. I figure if we all in run in separate directions they will not know which there supposed to chase after.


Neo-Nazis will do what they always do, usurp, pervert and corrupt everything they lay their hands on.  Their logic and ideology is so weak and thin they have to grasp anything and plant their ideology onto heathenry and other non-racial ideas - like the Theory of Evolution for example.

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