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Uses of Wodan
« on: October 08, 2011, 12:16:44 pm »
htto://etheses.whiterose.ac.uk/393/1/uk_bl_ethos_270854.pdf

Above is a link to Shaw's thesis on Wodan. It's been an interesting and frustrating and mind-melting read so far.  The basic purpose of his paper is to show that Odin/Wodan/Woden are different deities that were understood separately and that the pan-germanic monolithic Odin is the result of literary misunderstandings that have influenced modern scholars.
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Re: Uses of Wodan
« Reply #1 on: October 08, 2011, 02:01:39 pm »
Quote from: Juniperberry;24515
htto://etheses.whiterose.ac.uk/393/1/uk_bl_ethos_270854.pdf

Above is a link to Shaw's thesis on Wodan. It's been an interesting and frustrating and mind-melting read so far.  The basic purpose of his paper is to show that Odin/Wodan/Woden are different deities that were understood separately and that the pan-germanic monolithic Odin is the result of literary misunderstandings that have influenced modern scholars.

 
Try the link again. is it supposed to be "htt O or http?
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Re: Uses of Wodan
« Reply #2 on: October 08, 2011, 02:18:37 pm »
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Try the link again. is it supposed to be "htt O or http?

 


Weird.
 I just c&p'ed it.  Try this one.

http://www.heathenalliance.org/blog/2011/uses-of-woden/
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Re: Uses of Wodan
« Reply #3 on: October 08, 2011, 02:28:37 pm »
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Weird.
 I just c&p'ed it.  Try this one.

http://www.heathenalliance.org/blog/2011/uses-of-woden/

 
Along with the Woden issue some other little tidbits I found interesting included the possibility of Continental Germania being gynocentric, the military and social importance of the mead hall and  drink, and the possibility of the shield-covered hall (Valholl) actually referring to the literal shield walls seen in battle (slaughter-hall).
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Re: Uses of Wodan
« Reply #4 on: October 14, 2011, 05:28:31 am »
Quote from: Juniperberry;24526
Weird.
 I just c&p'ed it.  Try this one.

http://www.heathenalliance.org/blog/2011/uses-of-woden/

 
I'm glad it worked weirdly; the Heathen Alliance link included a brief summary of Shaw's credentials, which I was happy to have - this is enough of a departure from the mainstream of relevant scholarship (at least, as I know of it; I could easily be out of date) that I wanted to check that this was, indeed, a linguist/philologist weighing in on what's predominantly a linguistic/philological issue.  Similarly, I'd be interested in scholarly critiques of the thesis, if you, or anyone, has links.

This is of some personal interest to me, since I sometimes work with/honor a deity who is very firm that he's not Odin, despite many similarities.  Thanks for posting it, JB.

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Re: Uses of Wodan
« Reply #5 on: October 14, 2011, 01:17:00 pm »
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I'm glad it worked weirdly; the Heathen Alliance link included a brief summary of Shaw's credentials, which I was happy to have - this is enough of a departure from the mainstream of relevant scholarship (at least, as I know of it; I could easily be out of date) that I wanted to check that this was, indeed, a linguist/philologist weighing in on what's predominantly a linguistic/philological issue.  Similarly, I'd be interested in scholarly critiques of the thesis, if you, or anyone, has links.

This is of some personal interest to me, since I sometimes work with/honor a deity who is very firm that he's not Odin, despite many similarities.  Thanks for posting it, JB.

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(I'm only my second cup of coffee after a long night of painting the house so hopefully I can be somewhat coherent. )

I haven't seen anything come down the pipe yet, but I'm also interested in any arguments since it is such a bold and divergent claim. I know his arguments have met some resistance in the heathen community... It's a pretty dry read that contains a lot of info (even outside of the uses of Wodan) and I'll have to read it a few times before everything sinks in.

Basically it comes down to this:

--Scholars recorded the use of Wodan in some parts of continental Germania that was a god of war/healing and who was also connected to- not Mercury- but Saint Mercurius.

--Scholars looking to build a national history in Anglo-Saxon took this Wodan (who had become a catch-all term for heathen deity in academic circles) and put him in the role of supernatural human that was the ancestor of the royal lines.

--Snorri et al took *that* combination of Wodan/Woden and conflated them with Scandinavian Othinn, a god of poetry, to create the Odin we have now- which is an incorrect, pan-germanic All Father. Shaw argues that , linguistically, the in Wodan would not translate into the
. in Othinn and therefore isn't a Scandinavian accent on a Germanic name. Or something. The argument for technicalities in language were making my brain bleed. :P



If you're interested, AL has a discussion on the paper in the public boards under "Gods", I believe. Another new argument coming out is that the Migration Era kings of Scandinavia were in actuality Huns and that as the ruling elite they changed the face of norse mythology and culture and *that's* what we have today. Mind. Blown. I can't wait to read it. :)

Anyway. I'll let you know if I hear more on Shaw.
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