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Author Topic: Reinterpreting Bïfrost  (Read 1257 times)

Juniperberry

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Reinterpreting Bïfrost
« on: July 09, 2012, 05:50:22 pm »
Came across this in the 15th ISC papers:

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This paper argues that while de Vries is probably correct in his interpretation of the etymological roots and literal meaning of Bifrǫst/ Bilröst,  he neglects to recognise the most appropriate metaphoric connotation. This is because the key to unlocking the meaning of  the  names appears to lie in the realisation that they are actually poetic kennings which conform in form and meaning to numerous other kennings representing the same phenomenon : namely the trembling, shuddering, shaking movement of the sea or ocean. Evidence for this can be found by analysing the roots of the names Bifrǫst/ Bilröst. It has been speculated that name could denote a  way, path, trail or road  of some kind  (e.g. Simek :   ‘swaying road to heaven’),  but what appears not to have been considered is the specific association of these concepts with the sea in Old Norse and skaldic poetry. This association is substantiated by one of the largest groups of sea kenning which denote the sea as a  way, road, path or trail  Within this group are a significant number of  examples using  rǫst -  some examples being  blárǫst  (the blue trail);  hafrǫst ( sea-way); lǫgrǫst  (water -path);  Gylfa rǫst (Gylfi’s road)  and Huglar  rǫst (Hugl’s (island) way


This is interesting to me in a couple of ways. Nordic geography saw the world as flat, Midgard encircled by the ocean. In Bïfrost legend, the Jotuns cross the bridge to enter Midgard. With Jotuns being those at the edges of Midgard and the sea being the edge of the world, Jotuns crossing the ocean makes total sense.

Another thing that fits in perfectly is Heimdall. He sits on Bïfrost, awaiting the Jotuns. And...he's the son of the nine ocean mothers.
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Re: Reinterpreting Bïfrost
« Reply #1 on: July 09, 2012, 09:49:07 pm »
Quote from: Juniperberry;63466
Came across this in the 15th ISC papers:



This is interesting to me in a couple of ways. Nordic geography saw the world as flat, Midgard encircled by the ocean. In Bïfrost legend, the Jotuns cross the bridge to enter Midgard. With Jotuns being those at the edges of Midgard and the sea being the edge of the world, Jotuns crossing the ocean makes total sense.

Another thing that fits in perfectly is Heimdall. He sits on Bïfrost, awaiting the Jotuns. And...he's the son of the nine ocean mothers.


Plausible theory which fits into nordic concepts of a barrier between worlds...

Bonus info: I´m going to ISC 15 :cool:

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Re: Reinterpreting Bïfrost
« Reply #2 on: July 09, 2012, 10:43:56 pm »
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Plausible theory which fits into nordic concepts of a barrier between worlds...


The more I chew on it the more it makes sense. (And not in a Loki is Jesus way but, you know, for real...)

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Bonus info: I´m going to ISC 15 :cool:


Lucky. I suppose it'd be too much to ask for you to record every.single.second. Will you at least fill me in on what was said about this particular topic?
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Re: Reinterpreting Bïfrost
« Reply #3 on: July 10, 2012, 05:06:39 am »
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The more I chew on it the more it makes sense. (And not in a Loki is Jesus way but, you know, for real...)


Yeah... Currently writing an article in Danish on Loki according to the sources. When I´m done with it I´ll probably make a thread on AL and here.


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Lucky. I suppose it'd be too much to ask for you to record every.single.second. Will you at least fill me in on what was said about this particular topic?


I´ll see if I can. It depends wether or not I´ll go to that particular lecture (currently I´m trying to wrap my head around the structure of the conference).
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