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Thorism???
« on: August 27, 2011, 05:06:23 am »
I've been told my a few Asatruers that there is another small sect within Heathenry called "Thorism" which worships Thor as it's primary deity. I was wondering if anybody knew anything about it and if it was indeed true. Thor is my patron and if it is true I'd be interested in looking into it a lot more. Are there any links or websites available?

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Re: Thorism???
« Reply #1 on: August 28, 2011, 06:18:39 pm »
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I've been told my a few Asatruers that there is another small sect within Heathenry called "Thorism" which worships Thor as it's primary deity. I was wondering if anybody knew anything about it and if it was indeed true. Thor is my patron and if it is true I'd be interested in looking into it a lot more. Are there any links or websites available?


Interesting, I've never heard of that before. Are you sure they weren't talking about the fictional religion inspired by the comic book character of the same name? That's what I got when I googled it.

I suppose it makes sense that individual gods would have their separate cults (just look at Hinduism for several prominent examples). In my case "mostly-Freyjaism" sounds kind of awkward though. I suppose if you want to worship Thor as your primary deity, I don't think anyone's going to stop you. I'm certainly not one to talk.

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Re: Thorism???
« Reply #2 on: August 31, 2011, 08:58:14 am »
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I've been told my a few Asatruers that there is another small sect within Heathenry called "Thorism" which worships Thor as it's primary deity. I was wondering if anybody knew anything about it and if it was indeed true. Thor is my patron and if it is true I'd be interested in looking into it a lot more. Are there any links or websites available?

 
Wouldn't the terms "Friggaswoman" or "Odinsman" or "Thorsman/woman" cover this though?  Or at least part of it?  It's a way to say I'm primarily focused on this deity.  

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Re: Thorism???
« Reply #3 on: December 15, 2011, 10:47:20 am »
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I've been told my a few Asatruers that there is another small sect within Heathenry called "Thorism" which worships Thor as it's primary deity. I was wondering if anybody knew anything about it and if it was indeed true. Thor is my patron and if it is true I'd be interested in looking into it a lot more. Are there any links or websites available?

 
It's not really a formal sect per se, more like a focus of individual practitioners. The only website that I know of is Thorshof (http://www.thorshof.org/) which is run by Thorskegga Thorn. I would personally consider myself to be a Thorist, because I focus more on Thor (and the related Gods and Godesses), and I don't really see Odin as all he is knocked up to be. Everybody has heard of Odinism, so I see no problem with Thorism. I think Thor can be a principle God in his own right.

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Re: Thorism???
« Reply #4 on: December 15, 2011, 07:31:13 pm »
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I've been told my a few Asatruers that there is another small sect within Heathenry called "Thorism" which worships Thor as it's primary deity. I was wondering if anybody knew anything about it and if it was indeed true. Thor is my patron and if it is true I'd be interested in looking into it a lot more. Are there any links or websites available?

 
I have no knowledge of such, but I would be surprised if such a group did not exist.  "Odinism" is known-of, and since there are all kinds of groups dedicated or focusing on different deities, WHY NOT Thorism?
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Re: Thorism???
« Reply #5 on: December 16, 2011, 06:02:14 am »
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Wouldn't the terms "Friggaswoman" or "Odinsman" or "Thorsman/woman" cover this though?

Agreed.

But then again, Odinism implies more than just sacrificing to Odin...
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Re: Thorism???
« Reply #6 on: December 16, 2011, 01:49:50 pm »
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Wouldn't the terms "Friggaswoman" or "Odinsman" or "Thorsman/woman" cover this though?  Or at least part of it?  It's a way to say I'm primarily focused on this deity.

It's actually a little different really. As it stands, most of Asatru is actually Odin-centric. Snorri and other poets held him in high esteem, so in the myths he is portrayed as the all powerful chief of the gods. And then modern people interpreted the myths, and so on. However, in other parts of the northern world, other deities were seen as the head God. For example, in Sweden the Vanir cult was much stronger, and Freyr was the most prayed to God, even taking on the role of sacral kingship for those people.

The idea behind Thorism is that in some places, the cult of Thor was the strongest and he was seen as the head deity. For example: the amount of thor's hammer pendants found, and descriptions of temples that had only statues of Thor (in the centre), Frigga, Freya and Frey. This implies that Thor had his own cult with related deities. I strongly reccomend reading this article (http://www.thorshof.org/thorthen.htm) for for information on what I'm talking about.

Anyway, what i'm really trying to say here is that not all Thorsmen are Thorists, and conversely not all Thorists are Thorsmen. One can be a Thorsman, while being an odinist-Asatruar, but being a Thorist is quite a different thing indeed.
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Re: Thorism???
« Reply #7 on: December 16, 2011, 02:31:48 pm »
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Anyway, what i'm really trying to say here is that not all Thorsmen are Thorists, and conversely not all Thorists are Thorsmen. One can be a Thorsman, while being an odinist-Asatruar, but being a Thorist is quite a different thing indeed.

 
I can understand that. It's people who worship Thór solely, or above other gods. But what gives you the idea that Ásatrú is Odhin-centric? Yes, Odhin is a big god in the Eddas. But since Ásatrú is an Icelandic form of Heathenry, for most people Thór would be one of, if not the biggest gods, past and present. Odhin's cult was always more noble-focused and Thór's much more meaningful to the common man (just read a Saga and count how many theophoric names have 'Thór' involved, and how many have 'Odhin' :p). I would say that Odinism, the modern religion, is Odhin-centric. But not Ásatrú as a whole.
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« Reply #8 on: December 16, 2011, 06:18:41 pm »
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The idea behind Thorism is that in some places, the cult of Thor was the strongest and he was seen as the head deity. For example: the amount of thor's hammer pendants found, and descriptions of temples that had only statues of Thor (in the centre), Frigga, Freya and Frey. This implies that Thor had his own cult with related deities.


1) Then why apply the ism? Just call it what it is... A Thor cult mixed with a Frigga cult, a Freya cult and a Frey cult.

2) Btw, what sources mention a temple with statues of Thor, Frigga, Freya and Frey?.. Do you mean the temple at Uppsala (with Thor, Odin and Frey)?


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Anyway, what i'm really trying to say here is that not all Thorsmen are Thorists, and conversely not all Thorists are Thorsmen. One can be a Thorsman, while being an odinist-Asatruar, but being a Thorist is quite a different thing indeed.


Can you actually be an Odinist and Asatru from a recon point of view (honest question)?

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« Reply #9 on: December 16, 2011, 11:56:44 pm »
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2) Btw, what sources mention a temple with statues of Thor, Frigga, Freya and Frey?.. Do you mean the temple at Uppsala (with Thor, Odin and Frey)?


In the Fljotsdale Saga and the Droplaugarsons there is mention of a temple with Thor, Frigga, Freyr and Freyja statues.
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Re: Thorism???
« Reply #10 on: December 17, 2011, 01:15:12 am »
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The idea behind Thorism is that in some places, the cult of Thor was the strongest and he was seen as the head deity. For example: the amount of thor's hammer pendants found, and descriptions of temples that had only statues of Thor (in the centre), Frigga, Freya and Frey. This implies that Thor had his own cult with related deities. I strongly reccomend reading this article (http://www.thorshof.org/thorthen.htm) for for information on what I'm talking about.


 
That seems sort of irrelevant to me since there wasn't an 'Individual' unit in the social dynamic of those times. The smallest unit was the immediate family; any honor given to one member of the family was honor that was given to the rest. If I'm understanding it correctly, even if the rest of the Aesir are absent from the temple that doesn't mean that they are excluded form the worship, or even less revered. As Odin's son, any glory given to Thor would automatically be understood as glory also going to Odin.

The interesting question seems to be why regions chose certain gods to be the "face of the brand", so to speak. Those answers say a lot about their needs, tribal personality, etc. It doesn't seem that it would have made Thor the 'main' god, though, or even more honored than the rest.
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« Reply #11 on: December 17, 2011, 05:37:44 pm »
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The interesting question seems to be why regions chose certain gods to be the "face of the brand", so to speak. Those answers say a lot about their needs, tribal personality, etc. It doesn't seem that it would have made Thor the 'main' god, though, or even more honored than the rest.

 
Hmm that's actually something really interesting to think about. Particularly this last part.  Thanks for the food for thought ;) it's not something I've really noticed.
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Re: Thorism???
« Reply #12 on: January 19, 2012, 11:03:33 am »
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That seems sort of irrelevant to me since there wasn't an 'Individual' unit in the social dynamic of those times. The smallest unit was the immediate family; any honor given to one member of the family was honor that was given to the rest. If I'm understanding it correctly, even if the rest of the Aesir are absent from the temple that doesn't mean that they are excluded form the worship, or even less revered. As Odin's son, any glory given to Thor would automatically be understood as glory also going to Odin.

The interesting question seems to be why regions chose certain gods to be the "face of the brand", so to speak. Those answers say a lot about their needs, tribal personality, etc. It doesn't seem that it would have made Thor the 'main' god, though, or even more honored than the rest.

 
A better way of saying it would have been that the worldview would have been more centred around Thor, rather than around Odin. Not that Thor necessarily would get more praise than other Gods. Anyway it's just a theory, and one that we could never prove unless we can get ahold of a time machine.

Besides, my nonsense alarm goes off whenever anybody assumes that in the past all the Gods were always given the exact same amount of worship. I very highly doubt that when farmers were gifting to Freyr for a good harvest they also made sure to give the same amount to every other God in the pantheon. How could the individual cult practices have existed if that kind of thing happened?

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« Reply #13 on: January 19, 2012, 01:13:18 pm »
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Besides, my nonsense alarm goes off whenever anybody assumes that in the past all the Gods were always given the exact same amount of worship. I very highly doubt that when farmers were gifting to Freyr for a good harvest they also made sure to give the same amount to every other God in the pantheon. How could the individual cult practices have existed if that kind of thing happened?

 
Not to mention the farmers probably would've gone broke having to give all those offerings! And what if the god in question doesn't like grain? "Oh, maybe Freyr appreciates grain offerings, but meat is far more to my taste. Got any spare cows?" How many gods are we talking about, anyways? Because, well, you wouldn't want to leave anyone out, would you?

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