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Author Topic: Asatru V.S. Social Marxism  (Read 1310 times)

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Re: Asatru V.S. Social Marxism
« Reply #15 on: March 18, 2017, 11:57:56 pm »
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Yeah, I'm about the only other person here who can claim the 'conservative' moniker (although, a bit less to the right than dear Castus) but I can say I was many forms of facepalming while reading the OP.  Yes, ethnic groups have a right to worship solely amongst themselves. Yes, the SJ dialogue can get rather strident and shrill (not the ideas so much as the manner of presentation) but seriously, the tone of it here has been quite cool for a good while.  

As to the rest, I don't always even, but when I do, I literally just can't.  

But, I've got to thank OP for saving me some time.  I was gonna surf over to Stormfront so my white half could have a wank.  Thanks to you, I was able to save electrons and fappit here. So there's that.

Oh, and apparently I have to spread rep around before giving more to Castus. Bummer.
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Re: Asatru V.S. Social Marxism
« Reply #16 on: March 19, 2017, 02:13:36 am »
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I've been around the internet for some time and seldom do I feel the need to actually be one of the people that writes anything on it; I don't find pleasure in riling up the teenage keyboard warriors and doped up college students haphazardly exploring existentialist theories reading Nitze, among other things. With that said, I'm just going to go ahead and dowse the naive, un-sensible bandwagon of social justice with gasoline and watch it burn. Why? Because, I don't quite understand why so many of you don't see the purpose of organizations like the AFA and why it is important that they remain all inclusive to, yes, white people.

Asatru is to people of white, European heritage what Wellesley College is to a woman. One seeks to preserve, admire and spiritually bond with an ancestral spiritual lineage. The other seeks to capitalize on, and promote individually successful and intelligent woman for the world. Both are inclusive, and if people who don't fit their mold or are so unrelated would be included within them, they would lose all meaning and purpose. This is obvious. But.....

Most of you don't see it that way. This is the funny thing about leftist ideology. Your so hooked on these things like "gender queer" and "pansexual" and of course, white privilege, that you have found your selves so drowned in the waters of self pity and victimization that you can't see that your own ideology is equally as elitist as the people's that you ruthlessly attack and condemn. And for what? Not worshiping grown men who dress like women? For not worshiping black men who get hurt when getting arrested for blatantly breaking the law? For not accommodating people who fail to integrate into society because they were raised poorly, so you build them a safe space to protect them from the big bad world?

Grow the hell up. The world is tough, and people have to stick together and find who they can to help get them through it, WITH DIGNITY AND HONOR ATTACHED. All I see here are weak people who are poor losers in the rat race that is life. You created all of this racial and sexist tension as a weapon to criminalize the strong people of this world because you can't cope with it. Your only way to get to the top is to desecrate the image of the strong and well disciplined people by associating their best qualities with negativity to drag them down below you.

It's not right to be racist but its not right to abandon your heritage and the legacy that comes with it that you all have a duty to preserve( be it one of European or African heritage). Its not right to tell a man that he can't have his genitals cut off so he can wear high heels but it isn't right to normalize it either just because he can't cope with actually just being a regular gay guy(which there is nothing wrong being gay). Its not right to mistreat people but its definitely not  right to coddle the weak and emotionally feeble when what they need is for you to help them get tougher so they can face the world with some semblance of honor.

Asatru organizations like the AFA are not all forums for the big bad white man and his bigoted children, its just for regular white folks. You have taken such easily twisted things and made what was not too long ago said into what you wanted it to be, to match your agenda and the agenda of your handlers in your coffee shops and universities so that you have something to rant about; so you could suck from the souls of others to fill the bottomless pit of your own insatiable hunger for self gratification and self righteousness. The greatest irony of it all is the subsequent homogenization that is coming down the road and the destruction of individuality that comes with that. I hope you all lay awake at night in sadness when you think about what it is you're actually about but sadly I know none of you lose a moment of sleep.

That's all.


I'm not entirely sure that this post would not have been better suited for a forum or a section of this forum explicitly dedicated to political and/or social issues. While one's religious and political beliefs can certainly influence one another, there is very little in your post about Asatru.

There is startlingly little in historical Heathen cultures that is relevant to modern social and political issues. Issues related to race, the environment, the proper role of government, etc. were so different or nonexistent in these cultures that it is really a stretch to justify virtually any recognizable political opinion in a modern society with reference to Germanic-speaking societies of the first millennium.

Asatru does not teach us to be proud of our European heritage, nor does it teach us to live successfully in a multicultural society. It does not teach us to protect the environment, nor does it give us carte blanche to damage it. It is not for or against the welfare state or assisted suicide or same-sex marriage, or virtually any other important political issue today.

The establishment of a gift cycle with Gods, wights and ancestors are things that we can say come from those cultures. But if one wants to add pride in their regional/racial heritage, that is their decision, and not something that can be laid at the feet of cultures that have not existed for a millennium. If one wants to support non-binary notions of gender that is their decision and is not something that can be attributed to Germanic-speaking people in the first millennium.

If you wish to discuss the religious traditions of historical Heathen cultures, this place may be of some benefit to you. If you wish to discuss political issues related to race and gender, other sections of this forum and/or other forums may be of greater utility.
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Re: Asatru V.S. Social Marxism
« Reply #17 on: March 19, 2017, 08:43:45 am »
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The establishment of a gift cycle with Gods, wights and ancestors are things that we can say come from those cultures. But if one wants to add pride in their regional/racial heritage, that is their decision, and not something that can be laid at the feet of cultures that have not existed for a millennium. If one wants to support non-binary notions of gender that is their decision and is not something that can be attributed to Germanic-speaking people in the first millennium.

 
Well said.  This was the sentiment I was trying to express above (but posting at midnight when I was tired robbed me of eloquence, :p ).

From my standpoint, the religion is about gifting the gods.  When someone brings a gift to the gods, I don't really ask questions what ethnicity they are, or how they define themselves in terms of gender and sexuality.

If some people want a "religion" of heterosexual Caucasians I cannot stop them. But I am bemused and offended as to why they have  to insert my gods into it.

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Re: Asatru V.S. Social Marxism
« Reply #18 on: March 19, 2017, 10:37:25 am »
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I'm with Tom. You seem quite upset and I'm a little worried about you.

There's a lot said in your rant that other people have already addressed, but I'm curious about exactly why you think your particular brand of conservatism advocates for individuality. You express animosity towards trans people and your pronoun field makes it annoyingly obvious; you advocate for individuality but you want us to conform to your brand of normal. Freedom isn't freedom when it's within the bounds of what's acceptable to you.

As far as the dissonance between your claims of honor and the content of your post, I'm just gonna go ahead and point to the last quote in my sig: "There is nothing noble in being superior to your fellow man; true nobility is being superior to your former self."

Your post has a snobbish tone that makes you seem just as elitist as you generalize liberals to be, and there is nothing noble or honorable in that.
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Re: Asatru V.S. Social Marxism
« Reply #19 on: March 19, 2017, 11:43:44 am »
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I'm not entirely sure that this post would not have been better suited for a forum or a section of this forum explicitly dedicated to political and/or social issues. While one's religious and political beliefs can certainly influence one another, there is very little in your post about Asatru.

 
I also question how he claims that seeing groups that exclude people on the basis of their race as not productive contributors to the religion they claim to be part of as being "social Marxism". There's plenty of people who would never identify as socialist or marxist who are anti-white supremacist groups. Same thing goes for respecting people's gender identities.

(As an aside, not all trans women are attracted to men. There are plenty that exclusively date women and/or nonbinary people, so claiming that they are trying to perform hetero-normative behavior by transitioning is basically incorrect. Same goes for trans men when it comes to their sexuality, they can be attracted to people of any gender. Sexuality and gender are not inherently linked.)

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Re: Asatru V.S. Social Marxism
« Reply #20 on: March 19, 2017, 12:20:15 pm »
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Well said.  This was the sentiment I was trying to express above (but posting at midnight when I was tired robbed me of eloquence, :p ).

From my standpoint, the religion is about gifting the gods.  When someone brings a gift to the gods, I don't really ask questions what ethnicity they are, or how they define themselves in terms of gender and sexuality.

If some people want a "religion" of heterosexual Caucasians I cannot stop them. But I am bemused and offended as to why they have  to insert my gods into it.


I can understand that people would like their religious and political opinions to line up; if they are both dearly held viewpoints I can certainly see why there would be an emotional predisposition to such a confluence of ideas. However, I just don't think historical Heathen cultures are similar enough to ours to really make such a mutually reinforcing set of ideas plausible. I'm afraid modern political opinions will have to stand and fall on their own merits rather than being a logical outgrowth of Heathen religious practices.
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Re: Asatru V.S. Social Marxism
« Reply #21 on: March 19, 2017, 12:30:04 pm »
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(As an aside, not all trans women are attracted to men. There are plenty that exclusively date women and/or nonbinary people, so claiming that they are trying to perform hetero-normative behavior by transitioning is basically incorrect. Same goes for trans men when it comes to their sexuality, they can be attracted to people of any gender. Sexuality and gender are not inherently linked.)

 
Hell, the overwhelming majority of trans folks I know personally are queer, and thus not only have to deal with the people who will brutalise them for being trans but have collected the people who will brutalise them for having same-sex relationships as a sick, hellish bonus crowd of often-murderous asshats.
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Re: Asatru V.S. Social Marxism
« Reply #22 on: March 19, 2017, 01:08:09 pm »
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I'm not entirely sure that this post would not have been better suited for a forum or a section of this forum explicitly dedicated to political and/or social issues. While one's religious and political beliefs can certainly influence one another, there is very little in your post about Asatru.

I had the same thought, if only because I really don't want to deal with the OP's particular brand of ignorance / hatred or have it associated with this SIG.

To the OP, I'm really not sure what you want. If it's affirmation, I think it's clear you're not going to get it, not least of all because your views have no historical basis, as others have rather kindly explained.

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Re: Asatru V.S. Social Marxism
« Reply #23 on: March 20, 2017, 06:31:31 am »
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