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Re: Organ replacement
« Reply #15 on: February 18, 2017, 08:57:54 pm »
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What do you mean? What is an "unbreakable entity"?

 
Ok I shall take my chances. what I use as my unbreakable entity is gravity. I find it helps to have something unbreakable in focus.
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Re: Organ replacement
« Reply #16 on: February 18, 2017, 10:46:47 pm »
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I suppose that this is "not impossible." However, there's no record of anything like this actually being done. All the people who claim to be able to do "psychic surgery" type stuff have turned out not to be actually able to do things like this. Many are reportedly outright fakes (that is, they are purposely faking what they are doing).

 
OTOH, the Gospel stories of Jesus record him restoring a man's withered hand, sight to blind men, and healing the lame (multiple times). Our own experience in the present day is that, even if the disability can be reversed (say, by grafting in new nerve tissue or transplanting a cornea), there is usually a requirement for extensive physical therapy before the subject "learns" to use his/her new capabilities.

While I don't claim any experience in the theory or practice of magic, I believe that what was happening here is that Jesus (or the Holy Spirit working on his behalf) was generating a new, parallel timeline in which the disabled limbs/organs were functioning properly, and then converging that timeline with the one we know so that the subject not only had his memories of what life was like with the disability, but also the (subconscious) knowledge of how to use his restored capabilities.

So, I do believe that the thought exercise Mr.(?) sevensons is presenting is theoretically possible...but I also believe that you need to be (or at least have the help of) a very senior deity in order to pull such off.
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Re: Organ replacement
« Reply #17 on: February 19, 2017, 01:04:43 am »
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While I don't claim any experience in the theory or practice of magic, I believe that what was happening here is that Jesus (or the Holy Spirit working on his behalf) was generating a new, parallel timeline in which the disabled limbs/organs were functioning properly, and then converging that timeline with the one we know so that the subject not only had his memories of what life was like with the disability, but also the (subconscious) knowledge of how to use his restored capabilities.

 
It's like the Butterfly Effect version of cloning yourself just to replace your organs!
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Re: Organ replacement
« Reply #18 on: February 19, 2017, 05:18:06 am »
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OTOH, the Gospel stories of Jesus record him restoring a man's withered hand, sight to blind men, and healing the lame (multiple times). Our own experience in the present day is that, even if the disability can be reversed (say, by grafting in new nerve tissue or transplanting a cornea), there is usually a requirement for extensive physical therapy before the subject "learns" to use his/her new capabilities.

So, I do believe that the thought exercise Mr.(?) sevensons is presenting is theoretically possible...but I also believe that you need to be (or at least have the help of) a very senior deity in order to pull such off.

 
To help others is a hole new ball game I could heal for a bit but I have found its not sustainable and in the long run could do more harm than good. you would have to work with them 24 7 I can only help myself its very time consuming.

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Re: Organ replacement
« Reply #19 on: February 19, 2017, 05:50:16 am »
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To help others is a hole new ball game I could heal for a bit but I have found its not sustainable and in the long run could do more harm than good. you would have to work with them 24 7 I can only help myself its very time consuming.

 
You make it sound like it'd be easier to replace the organs of your enemies with snakes. After all, these snake organs (snorgans) would not have to be maintained 24/7; if they failed, that would also benefit you.
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Re: Organ replacement
« Reply #20 on: February 19, 2017, 06:17:41 am »
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Ok I shall take my chances. what I use as my unbreakable entity is gravity. I find it helps to have something unbreakable in focus.


You are using "unbreakable entity" to mean something you consider "unbreakable" that you focus on?  If so, what do you mean by "if you can make the impossible possible you become an unbreakable entity...." It sounds like (in your case) you are saying if you could do the impossible you would become something like gravity?
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Re: Organ replacement
« Reply #21 on: February 19, 2017, 06:23:15 am »
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OTOH, the Gospel stories of Jesus record him restoring a man's withered hand, sight to blind men, and healing the lame (multiple times).


But no replacing body organs. :)  However, more seriously you are correct, I should have said that there is no evidence outside of myth and legend of any human actually doing what the OP is talking about via magic.

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To me, that sounds harder that just directly changing this reality so the person was healed. Creating a new universe and then merging the two to get the healing effect seems like overkill.  But like organ replacement by magic, not impossible.
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Re: Organ replacement
« Reply #22 on: February 19, 2017, 08:31:05 am »
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You are using "unbreakable entity" to mean something you consider "unbreakable" that you focus on?  If so, what do you mean by "if you can make the impossible possible you become an unbreakable entity...." It sounds like (in your case) you are saying if you could do the impossible you would become something like gravity?

 
Ok what happens when something is wrong with your body the first sign is that it aches so I use the spell with unbreakable to vanquish any such feelings.
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Re: Organ replacement
« Reply #23 on: February 19, 2017, 09:08:43 am »
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Ok what happens when something is wrong with your body the first sign is that it aches so I use the spell with unbreakable to vanquish any such feelings.

 
Pain management is comparatively easy, I've been able to do that since I was a kid.

It does jack shit for any major disorder.
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Re: Organ replacement
« Reply #24 on: February 19, 2017, 09:49:48 am »
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Pain management is comparatively easy, I've been able to do that since I was a kid.

It does jack shit for any major disorder.

 
That is just one process you could take any illness away if you got to it early enough. for instance I kind of found out my destiny was to die from my heart. so I took steps to strengthen my heart and the results are great I feel I go around with a big heart and your heart is so important to how well you feel. I feel my heart is exhilarated its an effective completion of the system.
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Re: Organ replacement
« Reply #25 on: February 19, 2017, 10:15:16 am »
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That is just one process you could take any illness away if you got to it early enough. for instance I kind of found out my destiny was to die from my heart. so I took steps to strengthen my heart and the results are great I feel I go around with a big heart and your heart is so important to how well you feel. I feel my heart is exhilarated its an effective completion of the system.

 
As someone who has four different diagnoses for things that were going on in my body for years (and quite possibly decades) before they were symptomatic at all, that also seems like ... not a very productive alternative for me.

(And that's not counting the migraines or allergies where 'manage pain' and 'strengthening the relevant system' are not helpful approaches: the former because I mostly get neurological glitchiness with the migraines, and the latter because strengthening an overactive immune system doesn't help.

Also doesn't help at least two of my other conditions, which are auto-immune in nature. And yet, dampening the immune system, also a really bad long-term health choice.)

My take on magic for medical reasons is that our bodies are amazing and do so many things, but most of us - even people with years of medical training and research - have very little clue about how that works. (We can tell that some stuff helps, but we don't always know why, or how to minimise unwanted effects.)
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Re: Organ replacement
« Reply #26 on: February 19, 2017, 01:55:12 pm »
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As someone who has four different diagnoses for things that were going on in my body for years (and quite possibly decades) before they were symptomatic at all, that also seems like ... not a very productive alternative for me.

(And that's not counting the migraines or allergies where 'manage pain' and 'strengthening the relevant system' are not helpful approaches: the former because I mostly get neurological glitchiness with the migraines, and the latter because strengthening an overactive immune system doesn't help.

Also doesn't help at least two of my other conditions, which are auto-immune in nature. And yet, dampening the immune system, also a really bad long-term health choice.)

My take on magic for medical reasons is that our bodies are amazing and do so many things, but most of us - even people with years of medical training and research - have very little clue about how that works. (We can tell that some stuff helps, but we don't always know why, or how to minimise unwanted effects.)

 
You seem to be at the first step if you can't decanter your thought process you would be just like every one else. the mind is the control room it has a set program if you don't get off that step each day you are perceptible to anything. I speak from experience like I have said before once you get off the programs you are on you experience ecstasy.
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Re: Organ replacement
« Reply #27 on: February 19, 2017, 02:38:24 pm »
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You seem to be at the first step if you can't decanter your thought process you would be just like every one else. the mind is the control room it has a set program if you don't get off that step each day you are perceptible to anything. I speak from experience like I have said before once you get off the programs you are on you experience ecstasy.


Ecstasy is not healing. (Healing is not necessarily curing either, but that's another story.)

Also, you're not making much sense at all.
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Ecstasy is not healing. (Healing is not necessarily curing either, but that's another story.)

Also, you're not making much sense at all.

 
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Re: Organ replacement
« Reply #29 on: February 19, 2017, 02:57:20 pm »
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There are spells in the mind that you have to get rid of.


I call the thingamajigs in my mind a lot of things, but spells is not one of them. :)
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