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Author Topic: Something that's confusing me concerning the Joy Of Satan Ministries  (Read 5962 times)

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First of all, all due respects to the aforementioned organization. I am thankful for their input in helping me to greatly develop my spiritual capabilities. I'll raise a drink to them!

Unfortunately, there is something... troubling. I've been hearing rumblings that the group has become rather corrupt. Apparently Mrs. Dietrich has created a thoughtform meant to represent Satan, instead of actually honouring the actual Satan. Now, I'm not saying that I believe all this, but obviously I'm not the only one who has brought this possibility to attention.

That being Said, apparently Satan himself has abandoned the ministry and its followers for various reasons.

Once again, I intend no disrespect towards Mrs. Dietrich and her friends, but I think this needs to be addressed. After all, the site and its forums attract a lot of young people.



All the best,

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Re: Something that's confusing me concerning the Joy Of Satan Ministries
« Reply #1 on: December 08, 2013, 11:40:33 am »
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First of all, all due respects to the aforementioned organization. I am thankful for their input in helping me to greatly develop my spiritual capabilities. I'll raise a drink to them!

Unfortunately, there is something... troubling. I've been hearing rumblings that the group has become rather corrupt. Apparently Mrs. Dietrich has created a thoughtform meant to represent Satan, instead of actually honouring the actual Satan. Now, I'm not saying that I believe all this, but obviously I'm not the only one who has brought this possibility to attention.

That being Said, apparently Satan himself has abandoned the ministry and its followers for various reasons.

Once again, I intend no disrespect towards Mrs. Dietrich and her friends, but I think this needs to be addressed. After all, the site and its forums attract a lot of young people.



All the best,

Vovk

 
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Re: Something that's confusing me concerning the Joy Of Satan Ministries
« Reply #2 on: December 08, 2013, 12:00:54 pm »
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First of all, all due respects to the aforementioned organization. I am thankful for their input in helping me to greatly develop my spiritual capabilities. I'll raise a drink to them!

Unfortunately, there is something... troubling. I've been hearing rumblings that the group has become rather corrupt. Apparently Mrs. Dietrich has created a thoughtform meant to represent Satan, instead of actually honouring the actual Satan. Now, I'm not saying that I believe all this, but obviously I'm not the only one who has brought this possibility to attention.

That being Said, apparently Satan himself has abandoned the ministry and its followers for various reasons.

Once again, I intend no disrespect towards Mrs. Dietrich and her friends, but I think this needs to be addressed. After all, the site and its forums attract a lot of young people.



All the best,

Vovk

 
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Re: Something that's confusing me concerning the Joy Of Satan Ministries
« Reply #3 on: December 08, 2013, 12:05:08 pm »
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My bolding - isn't that what you'd expect from Satan?

 
I'll expand on that. They believe that Satan is completely different from the the one found in the Bible. They say that Satan/Lucifer/Enki is the true creator of man, as well as his guide. Satan, to them, does not tell lies.

Does that help at all? :ashamed:

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Re: Something that's confusing me concerning the Joy Of Satan Ministries
« Reply #4 on: December 08, 2013, 12:06:24 pm »
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What?

 
Take a gander around their site and forums. You may get my meaning.

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Re: Something that's confusing me concerning the Joy Of Satan Ministries
« Reply #5 on: December 08, 2013, 12:10:50 pm »
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Take a gander around their site and forums. You may get my meaning.

 
I would expect that I can't read their website because it makes my eyes go funny.

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Re: Something that's confusing me concerning the Joy Of Satan Ministries
« Reply #6 on: December 08, 2013, 12:11:05 pm »
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Take a gander around their site and forums. You may get my meaning.

 
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Re: Something that's confusing me concerning the Joy Of Satan Ministries
« Reply #7 on: December 08, 2013, 12:12:06 pm »
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Take a gander around their site and forums. You may get my meaning.

 
I don't even know for sure which website and forums are theirs (and if its that terrible angelfire one I am not forcing my self to read that eyebleeding monstrosity) But more to the point I don't know why we are supposed to care about this when it seems you are starting in the middle of a conversation none of us are privy to or see why we should care about it.
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Re: Something that's confusing me concerning the Joy Of Satan Ministries
« Reply #8 on: December 08, 2013, 12:12:59 pm »
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I'll expand on that. They believe that Satan is completely different from the the one found in the Bible.

 
Well, so does Christianity, and that doesn't actually fuss people all that much these days.
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Re: Something that's confusing me concerning the Joy Of Satan Ministries
« Reply #9 on: December 08, 2013, 12:24:12 pm »
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My bolding - isn't that what you'd expect from Satan?


In Satanism, Satan is a power for good in the world, not evil.

Having said that, I checked out Joy of Satan (not being familiar with this denomination), and found a lot of problems with it. I'll provide a few examples.

First, there are allegations that Mrs. Dietrich is  a member of a neo-nazi group. http://joyofsatanexposed.webs.com/

Then I had a look at http://joyofsatan.org As you can see in the first paragraph, it is stated as fact that "Yaweh/Jehova...is a fictitious deity." In the third paragraph they claim "Satanism is the original religion of humanity." In the fifth paragraph "Christianity was invented to remove spiritual and occult knowledge..." and lastly, on the links page, there is a link to a blog called "Exposing Islam" http://exposingthelieofislam.wordpress.com which is an anti-Muslim pulpit claiming Islam is a "hoax."

So, yes, with this version of Satanism, I must conclude that things have gone awry.

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Re: Something that's confusing me concerning the Joy Of Satan Ministries
« Reply #10 on: December 08, 2013, 12:24:56 pm »
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Isn't there some paint we could watch dry instead?  You know, something productive we might actually care about?

 
Go away, then.

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Re: Something that's confusing me concerning the Joy Of Satan Ministries
« Reply #11 on: December 08, 2013, 12:26:40 pm »
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I don't even know for sure which website and forums are theirs (and if its that terrible angelfire one I am not forcing my self to read that eyebleeding monstrosity) But more to the point I don't know why we are supposed to care about this when it seems you are starting in the middle of a conversation none of us are privy to or see why we should care about it.

 
I should have been more clear. I do not expect you to care. Got me? This was intended for people who know what I'm talking about, not just anyone.

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Re: Something that's confusing me concerning the Joy Of Satan Ministries
« Reply #12 on: December 08, 2013, 12:28:12 pm »
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In Satanism, Satan is a power for good in the world, not evil.

Having said that, I checked out Joy of Satan (not being familiar with this denomination), and found a lot of problems with it. I'll provide a few examples.

First, there are allegations that Mrs. Dietrich is  a member of a neo-nazi group. http://joyofsatanexposed.webs.com/
Then I had a look at http://joyofsatan.org As you can see in the first paragraph, it is stated as fact that "Yaweh/Jehova...is a fictitious deity." In the third paragraph they claim "Satanism is the original religion of humanity." In the fifth paragraph "Christianity was invented to remove spiritual and occult knowledge..." and lastly, on the links page, there is a link to a blog called "Exposing Islam" http://exposingthelieofislam.wordpress.com which is an anti-Muslim pulpit claiming Islam is a "hoax."

So, yes, with this version of Satanism, I must conclude that things have gone awry.

 
Thank you for responding with something that's meaningful.

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Re: Something that's confusing me concerning the Joy Of Satan Ministries
« Reply #13 on: December 08, 2013, 12:32:14 pm »
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I should have been more clear. I do not expect you to care. Got me? This was intended for people who know what I'm talking about, not just anyone.

 
Who are they? This appears to have been your first post. Do you know of specific Satanists here, from that particular group? Would this not have been relevant to their own forum?
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« Reply #14 on: December 08, 2013, 12:34:21 pm »
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